Edison battery

[braden]

These batteries have been reported to last over 80 years and are said to be useful for solar storeage

http://www.lizardfire.com/hydroxy/The_Edison_Alkaline_Storage_Battery.pdf

[Vickers]

Very cool link man. Thanks. These batteries are basically rechargeable hydrogen/oxygen fuel cells. Page 35. I have made a couple of crude ones myself. Do you know of any company manufacturing these for sale?

[Savvypro]

I'd be surprised if anyone was still making them for sale. Having just read the whole book I get the feeling that using nano particles of the various materials should allow for smaller size batteries with the same output . Or greater output for the same size battery.

Those batteries sure were put through their paces back then, I wonder if any of the modern batteries could handle the same tests today.

[Jbignes5]

I'd be surprised if anyone was still making them for sale. Having just read the whole book I get the feeling that using nano particles of the various materials should allow for smaller size batteries with the same output . Or greater output for the same size battery.

Those batteries sure were put through their paces back then, I wonder if any of the modern batteries could handle the same tests today.

Absolutely not. Why would a manufacturer of a battery make it so they lasted 80 years?? So tough they would kill all competition on that front. They disappeared for a reason. They lasted to long and could take so much abuse that it would have made the view of the battery companies plainly obvious. They wanted to make an income stream not something that lasted forever! This is why we don't make things in the United states anymore of any quality. We have been told it is better to fill our land fills with cheap throw aways, poisoning our land and water to feed their pockets. It's not about what is best for us. It is about what is best for their wallets.

[Mark]

Absolutely not. Why would a manufacturer of a battery make it so they lasted 80 years?? So tough they would kill all competition on that front. They disappeared for a reason. They lasted to long and could take so much abuse that it would have made the view of the battery companies plainly obvious. They wanted to make an income stream not something that lasted forever! This is why we don't make things in the United states anymore of any quality. We have been told it is better to fill our land fills with cheap throw aways, poisoning our land and water to feed their pockets. It's not about what is best for us. It is about what is best for their wallets.

All the better reason to start manufacturing them! You would corner the market and put all the other out of business.

[citfta]

Still available

If you guys would do a little research you would find you can still buy them today. There is at least one US company and some Chinese companies still making them for off grid systems. They are rather expensive, but considering their great qualities probably well worth the price. Just type in "nickel iron battery" into your favorite search engine.

Carroll

[braden]

youtube video showing the history

YouTube - Edison Battery Construction Nickel Iron

[Jbignes5]

No they have been discontinued in effect...

Those batteries that are on the market surely do not cost 3-12k???? Please this is what keeps them from being mass produced and used cheaply. Why because it would put the other companies out of business. This is insane.

Just think about electric cars for one? Although the charging on the batteries are less efficient, maybe that could be improved by using resonance, these batteries have been shelved and have had such a high price on them that no one could or would afford them.

Also just think about this for a second. For over 100 years, even with all our advancements, we have not improved the design. This was done on purpose. We were given a gift and we have done what we always have done in these cases. We bury it in obscurity and price it way out of attainability.

I am starting to think that we are destined to become nothing. Extinct because we are greedy. Our best ideas have been squashed into tiny obscure milestones and priced into oblivion. It sickens me that profit holds us back in every aspect.

[Aaron]

Nickel Iron batteries

There are a LOT of manufacturers making Nickel Iron batteries. They
are often made big and virtually indestructible. The thing is, most are
made in China - so you CAN get them, but with shipping, might be spendy.
You just have to do your research to see who you're dealing with.

It shouldn't be too hard to find a dealer in the states. They DO exist and
have them large like Bedini's big cell phone tower batteries. I was thinking
of getting some for home power application.

I looked into these years ago - alibaba is a good source:
Nickel-iron Battery-Nickel-iron Battery Manufacturers, Suppliers and Exporters on alibaba.com

For electric cars and you name it.

[Jbignes5]

Well...

There are a LOT of manufacturers making Nickel Iron batteries. They
are often made big and virtually indestructible. The thing is, most are
made in China - so you CAN get them, but with shipping, might be spendy.
You just have to do your research to see who you're dealing with.

It shouldn't be too hard to find a dealer in the states. They DO exist and
have them large like Bedini's big cell phone tower batteries. I was thinking
of getting some for home power application.

I looked into these years ago - alibaba is a good source:
Nickel-iron Battery-Nickel-iron Battery Manufacturers, Suppliers and Exporters on alibaba.com

For electric cars and you name it.

I know they produce them but look at the requirements to buy them Aaron. Min quantity is 50 at least. If they are charging 100-1000 each cell then that can get very expensive. I highly doubt that it cost 1000 to make a cell. I mean how long have they been making them... Nearly 80 years? This is crazy.

I guess the only way to get them for a decent price is to make them for the motor I am developing. I am thinking on forwarding them to the nano scientists to see if they can improve the process cheaply.

[Aaron]

co-op or find stateside distributors

I know they produce them but look at the requirements to buy them Aaron. Min quantity is 50 at least. If they are charging 100-1000 each cell then that can get very expensive. I highly doubt that it cost 1000 to make a cell.

Most of the manufacturers will indeed require large quantity orders so people
can co-op to make it practical.

However, there ARE stateside distributors for them. I found them a few
years back - there were a few and I don't think the prices were less than
the cost of the lead acid cell phone tower batts.

[dragon]

Here is a company making them in Montana Zapp Works - Solar Panels and Nickel-Iron Batteries . A bit expensive but with a 100 year life it would save lots on replacement LA's. I've been getting 8-10 years on the Trojan brand but each time their replaced the price seems to double.
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[eastcoastwilly]

Can these batteries be recharged using a Bedini Monopole ?

Will

[Michelinho]

Hi all,


This place has fairly good price for new nickel iron batteries.
Nickel Iron Batteries - A Lifetime Battery For Your Off-Grid System (or On-Grid Backup)!

@eastcoastwilly

Can these batteries be recharged using a Bedini Monopole ?

Yes they can be charged with a monopole, the big battery bank that Bedini uses with the monopole and that you see in the video series "Energy from vacuum" are nickel iron.

These batteries need to be charge with a higher voltage than non iron nickel batteries, if I recall well, you need to feed them 18 Volts instead of 13.5V-14V for lead acid batteries.

Take care,

Michel

[Michelinho]

Hi eastcoastwilly,

Forgot to tell you that you can sometimes find second hand nickel iron battery sets at used lift truck retailers. Their prices are less than half regular price of new ones, you just need to renew the electrolyte.

My Xantrex C60 charge controller has a factory setting that I use for my nickel iron battery set, just need to take a resistor off the circuit by cutting one of its lead.


nickel iron battery information
Download this phamplet from the same site and read it for some great insights:
Historic Technical Literature on NiFe Batteries 1/ Edison published a nickel iron maintenance guidebook in 1914 ... click here to download his manual.

Take care,

Michel