Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[Jbignes5]

Could you do me a big favor....

Heres is an updated video. Youtube seems to be processing very slow but will edit video link(youtube) there later. My youtube clone Energetictube.com is faster! Yay!

Most of the current readings in my oscilloscope are registering negative current flow to the ignition coil. Now after 4 hours of running my setup as shown in my video there is still no change in the pulse or charge in the primary battery. I've removed the secondary battery to simplify and eliminate the possibility that it was some how feeding the circuit.

My Captret is a 1000uf 25volt cap (pretty big) and I'm getting the impression that the 15watt florescent is not going to stop running, albeit not all that bright.

Could you setup another cap and led unit and just give me a shot of the scope of that setup from across the cap terminals or various spots like the battery. I wanted to see if you got the same waveform that I am getting... YOu might want to zoom in on the scope to like .05 volts with 5 us and show that...

Also you can get a boost in the caps strength by using multiple caps in parallel if you need it...

Thank you!

[miki02131]

Well whats 50% of free?

Unfortunately, none of it is free when you correctly and precisely measure the input and compare it to the output. The LED blips aren't correct measurements and are misleadings to say the least. If you were to compare the input power versus what it takes to blip twice the LEDs, you would have seen that your efficiency is not even close to 1. As a matter of fact, it should be significantly less than 1.

The self-charging effect itself can be explained through magnetic induction. At first, you going to say if there is no coil, how could you be talking about EM induction. But wait, when you short the two plates together, you effectively turn them into a coil suceptible to EM induction. One way to prove this is to shield the captret from any EM field, you will see that the self charging effect disappears. Now, keep it shielded and spin a wheel with permanent magnets inside the cage, you will see the captret starts to charge again. At this point, there should be no doubt as to the source of the self-charging effects or what causes the captret to self-charge.

The point here is that none of it is free unfortunately. But keep looking, there might still be some good out of it. Please, don't call me Mr. Bring Down again. I am just trying to help providing the scientific explanation behind what might seems magical but nonetheless very basic.

Miki Out.

[Jbignes5]

Really?

Unfortunately, none of it is free when you correctly and precisely measure the input and compare it to the output. The LED blips aren't correct measurements and are misleadings to say the least. If you were to compare the input power versus what it takes to blip twice the LEDs, you would have seen that your efficiency is not even close to 1. As a matter of fact, it should be significantly less than 1.

The self-charging effect itself can be explained through magnetic induction. At first, you going to say if there is no coil, how could you be talking about EM induction. But wait, when you short the two plates together, you effectively turn them into a coil suceptible to EM induction. One way to prove this is to shield the captret from any EM field, you will see that the self charging effect disappears. Now, keep it shielded and spin a wheel with permanent magnets inside the cage, you will see the captret starts to charge again. At this point, there should be no doubt as to the source of the self-charging effects or what causes the captret to self-charge.

The point here is that none of it is free unfortunately. But keep looking, there might still be some good out of it. Please, don't call me Mr. Bring Down again. I am just trying to help providing the scientific explanation behind what might seems magical but nonetheless very basic.

Miki Out.

The response I gave was not of the basic capret. It is of the battery capret and a load like an led. If the capret was working like you said where is this magic magnetic field coming from. If I remember my basic physics aluminum doesn't act nor respond to magnetic fields like you are saying.

If this has anything to do with fields it would be the static electric fields and not this magnetic field you are talking about. Tell me how we are using current but yet the battery seems unaffected by such a current drain. You must remember we are using bad batteries as well. Mine is a 12 volt 12ah gel cell and it seems to operate this setup without loosing voltage. In fact once the setup is started it drains the appropriate voltage then slowly climbs back up to where it started. So if that is not free work then what is?

50% of free work is still free no matter how you look at it...

[Zooty]

My cousin is coming over to help me with the o scope shots. The one problem I am having is that I am seeing the standard ac signal where it should not be. When I set the oscope to .5 us with a .2 volts/cm I am seeing very weird results. Kinda like 5000 little lines all vibrating along the waveform. It seems to me this is not right so I asked my cousin to come over and help me with the o scope he gave me.

If the scope is showing what I think it is showing then there are a lot of things happening in this setup that we are not understanding. When I change the volts per cm to .5 I get a modulated ac waveform that has thick traces that are vibrating. When i zoomed in I could see that there are clear sub lines that are vibrating as well. The further I zoomed in they became faint but I can just barely make out a million little lines acting like strings on a guitar.

I am a noob to the scope but I think I am seeing this and it is not a mistake. I will know more tomorrow when he comes on that part.

Make sure you use the ground part of the scope probe as well. I get the same result just touching a piece of metal in the room if i just use the positive part of the probe. The reading should give it away as it will probably be in the millivolts if not grounded.

[Jbignes5]

Sorry for the noob questions rofl...

Make sure you use the ground part of the scope probe as well. I get the same result just touching a piece of metal in the room if i just use the positive part of the probe. The reading should give it away as it will probably be in the millivolts if not grounded.

So do i hook the ground to neg then the probe tip to positive of the battery?
Also on my scope there is a triggering level. When set to auto it doesn't show but if I turn it off I see a flat line with little amplitudes of waves. The main settings are 20 us @ .01 volts per centimeter. It looks like pulses and they are very regular along in time. So does that mean the battery is indeed receiving pulses?

I only have a 15 mhz scope so I can't go any further in the investigation of this on that part.

[miki02131]

The response I gave was not of the basic capret. It is of the battery capret and a load like an led. If the capret was working like you said where is this magic magnetic field coming from. If I remember my basic physics aluminum doesn't act nor respond to magnetic fields like you are saying.

If this has anything to do with fields it would be the static electric fields and not this magnetic field you are talking about. Tell me how we are using current but yet the battery seems unaffected by such a current drain. You must remember we are using bad batteries as well. Mine is a 12 volt 12ah gel cell and it seems to operate this setup without loosing voltage. In fact once the setup is started it drains the appropriate voltage then slowly climbs back up to where it started. So if that is not free work then what is?

50% of free work is still free no matter how you look at it...

As for the first part of your answer, I will let you check your physics understanding since you have a Captret and I already explained the experiment to prove the source of the self charging effect.

As far as part 2 is concerned, to this I'd say five years ago, I replaced a small battery from my watch which draws much more than an LED. Believe it or not, last time I check the watch is still running and the battery voltage keeps steady. Maybe, my watch is tapping into that 50% free. Great! try again.

Miki Out.

[Zooty]

So do i hook the ground to neg then the probe tip to positive of the battery?
Also on my scope there is a triggering level. When set to auto it doesn't show but if I turn it off I see a flat line with little amplitudes of waves. The main settings are 20 us @ .01 volts per centimeter. It looks like pulses and they are very regular along in time. So does that mean the battery is indeed receiving pulses?

I only have a 15 mhz scope so I can't go any further in the investigation of this on that part.

It could be noise from an external source as .01v/cm is a little sensitive. Disconnect the circuit from the battery and check the battery again by itself to make sure.

[thedude]

Could you setup another cap and led unit and just give me a shot of the scope of that setup from across the cap terminals or various spots like the battery. I wanted to see if you got the same waveform that I am getting... YOu might want to zoom in on the scope to like .05 volts with 5 us and show that...

Also you can get a boost in the caps strength by using multiple caps in parallel if you need it...

Thank you!

Hi Jbignes5. Thanks for your suggestions. As i am in the middle of a different line of experimentation at the moment, and have limited time to spend, i will try to take some other scope shots with an LED set up as soon as possible as time permits.

I've grown convinced that DrStiflers explanation of a phantom diode is correct due to the eventual decay in the effectiveness of the captret to produce voltage over time. On a higher voltage usage i have observed a correlation between fared capacitance and the run duration of the captret to perform properly. In testing and discharging multiple caps repeatedly i do see an eventual discharge taking place in the primary battery.

My experiment with the bedini oscillator circuit is intended to take advantage of the displacement of current temporarily to increase over all efficiency of the model. I'm not done experimenting with it at this time and will be using a parallel Captret to produce higher current output and to include a spark gap and disruptive discharge feed back into the Captret to see what that does. I have observed fluffy increases in voltage in the primary battery with out the Captret in place when using a spark gap, and i'm curious to see how the Captret deals with this.



Its interesting to see how a ignition coil will fire on such minimal pos+ voltage. Most of this scope shot occurs on the negative (radiant) voltage side. Is that what is allowing the ignition coil to fire? Normally CFL bulbs won't light until the coil receives at least 6 volts minimum on the positive side?

@ Ibepointless2, although i'm definitely still working to make use of the captret, my line of experimentation may be off course with others on this thread. I can move my posts to radiant oscillator thread but i'm more than happy here. Up to you entirely. Thanks again.

[dragon]

If I remember my basic physics aluminum doesn't act nor respond to magnetic fields like you are saying.

If you wind a coil with any conductor and power it you have a magnetic field. Aluminum wire works fine in an alternator although not as efficient as copper. I'm not sure exactly how these caps are constructed but it would seem there are 2 open coils in a cap - almost like a bifilar winding. I've never tried spinning magnets over one but it may be an interesting test....
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[Jbignes5]

I think my point was.

Is that aluminum acts differently when exposed to a magnetic field. Ever tried dropping a magnet down an aluminum tube? I really think this is why Tesla was so interested in it. It was just brought to market and he was having a ball with it. Edit *Doh copper does this too heh*

As far as dropping the voltage on the battery even when i had my five diodes running the voltage would climb right back up. That means it is supplying the load of leds and allowing the battery to rebalance to it's standing voltage. How could the battery do this as it is supplying a current? I thought that broke all the rules?

I said was for the leds because I blew them all out all in one shot by a stray probe hit from my scope... Man I can't stop my shaking anymore. So I scrounged and found an old led mouse and scarfed that. Back up and running.

As for the signal that could be right. When I went to check the led i dropped the ground and it hit the neg of the cap while the probe was on the positive bam no more leds. heh...

For a bit I had no load on the battery while I scrounged for the led to replace my blown other diodes. When I had that off of the cap i took the time to meter the cap and low and behold it was even. The neg had just as much as the positive. Apparently the plates get evenly charged but when the diode or load is connected then it has a potential difference between the plates. I think this difference along with the diode effect of the led causes a circular flow between the plates and the load/diode/led. I'll try to figure this out more later...

By the way with my new led it is running at 10.15 so we will see what happens from here. oh and I went back to 2 caps to lower the blowing factor after the short it spiked my leds.. heh...

[ibpointless2]

Hi Jbignes5. Thanks for your suggestions. As i am in the middle of a different line of experimentation at the moment, and have limited time to spend, i will try to take some other scope shots with an LED set up as soon as possible as time permits.

I've grown convinced that DrStiflers explanation of a phantom diode is correct due to the eventual decay in the effectiveness of the captret to produce voltage over time. On a higher voltage usage i have observed a correlation between fared capacitance and the run duration of the captret to perform properly. In testing and discharging multiple caps repeatedly i do see an eventual discharge taking place in the primary battery.

My experiment with the bedini oscillator circuit is intended to take advantage of the displacement of current temporarily to increase over all efficiency of the model. I'm not done experimenting with it at this time and will be using a parallel Captret to produce higher current output and to include a spark gap and disruptive discharge feed back into the Captret to see what that does. I have observed fluffy increases in voltage in the primary battery with out the Captret in place when using a spark gap, and i'm curious to see how the Captret deals with this.



Its interesting to see how a ignition coil will fire on such minimal pos+ voltage. Most of this scope shot occurs on the negative (radiant) voltage side. Is that what is allowing the ignition coil to fire? Normally CFL bulbs won't light until the coil receives at least 6 volts minimum on the positive side?

@ Ibepointless2, although i'm definitely still working to make use of the captret, my line of experimentation may be off course with others on this thread. I can move my posts to radiant oscillator thread but i'm more than happy here. Up to you entirely. Thanks again.

Please stay, i enjoy the reading.

[ibpointless2]

My captrets don't like to play by the rules!

So i took one of my captret LED circuits and put a 220uF capacitor in series with the - of the LED. It started to do what you expect, capacitor fills up and the LED starts to get dim, but the LED did not stop lighting. The LED still stay lit, it should have gone out when the capacitor was full, but no the captret can't play nice with other capacitors.

Now the capacitor in series is draining and the LED still stays lit. I don't know why this capcitor is affected, it brand new and has nothing to do with the captret idea. What is going on!

Makes me wonder if other circuits components may act different.

Could other try this, put a capacitor in series with the LED wait to see if the LED goes out? Very strange?

Could it be possible that this is just a side affect of the AC currents? or some new current?

[electricity]

Instilled Flaws

my little nine volt battery captret is still going strong after 24 hrs. Volts is @10, I can not do a precise measurement as I lack precision apparatus.

The 12v lead acid battery setup with 16kv captret is showing phenomena that I do not understand at this time.

My speculation is that it is the production of induced current in electrolytic by EMF

See Journal of Science 1877
page 144.
Philosophical magazine - Google Books

Interesting to see the Free thinking scientist of yesterday before the golden laws were instated

[electricity]

Large electrolytic captret

It is possible to construct a very large electrolytic cap quite easily.

Materials:
Roll of tissue paper or any paper
Roll of Mylar plastic
Electrolyte
ribbon wire
12 ga insulated wire for post.
Empty can with lid (paint can Hardware Store, remove inside paint with wire brush or paint strip acid, recycle canned food, aluminum soda cans etc.) .2" taller than paper.

Roll paper and mylar creating a spiral coil, Mylar must be shorter than paper as to avoid shorting if it contacts the top of the metal enclosure. Make sure that the plastic side face paper and the aluminum layer is inside. Keep the coil as tight as possible and make enough to fill the can leaving .2" space when placed inside the can.

Attach ribbon wire with cellophane tape to each side of the mylar film, ensuring that the wire cuts down at 90 degrees perpendicular to the coil. Attach ribbon when coil diameter reaches hole for conduction post, just like in a electrolytic cap. Drill 2 holes on can cap, hole size to tightly fit conduction wire. Finish wrapping the coil. Wrap the outside of the coil with cellophane tape securely and place in can. Solder ribbon to conduction post. Fill with electrolyte and cap the bottom end to prevent leakage.

I am testing electrolytes to see which one works best. Mylar is cellophane dielectric with aluminum coating. There are many peculiar electrochemical behaviors of Al such as self induction etc, I am testing acidic and alkaline electrolytes. Anyone got a link to more info will be greatly appreciated.

Pesto, Ultra captret

[seth]

So what kind of scientific data can you provide here? As I see most "Slayer" exciters draw in excess of 100mA and many in the near 1kmA range. So you are trying to say you are able to draw from a 200-500k ohm resistance that amount of current from what kind of power source, 300V or more???

What kind of game are you playing with everyone here??

Games??? No games Dr Stiffler. I have no idea why you have taken such a dislike towards me, but i can assure you its not warranted. Perhaps you misunderstand my claims? My version of slayer's exciter was working on my Captret with a 12V battery, and 35V 10000 microfarad electrolytic cap. I ran it all night whilst i slept, and before i dozed off it was lighting 6 LEDS on an av plug and 1 14 W CFL. When i awoke it was no longer working. I didnt check the current draw as it was my first test with the captret...i plan to do this later tonight. I tried reconnecting the exciter, but it wouldnt work. It needed more amps and the battery was flat.

I checked the amp draw last night when my captret was connected to 3 LEDs in series (and the same 10 000 microfarad 35V cap). I couldnt get a reading on my analogue nor digital - the amp draw was too small. My J.thief reads 10 mA and less with 3 LEDs, but the captret definitely draws much less than the JT. My dead 12V battery started at 10.04, went down to 9.89, and this morning reads 10.00. Its been running 3 superbright LEDs all night, and continues to do so this morning.

Hope this clears things up for the much esteemed post grad

Good luck everyone!!! More data coming soon.