Don't Kill Dipole

[Slovenia]

Other Examples of circuits that don't kill dipole

One of my contacts who is very experienced with Tesla and Bearden just got back to me and told me that the Tesla one wire circuits and Tesla 4 Battery Switch were both examples of circuits that don't kill the dipole. He was busy so he didn't have time to elaborate on the subject, but he did say he would get back to me later and explain how it worked from this don't kill the dipole perspective.

[dragon]

I agree Farmhand, there needs to be a simple - basic device to demonstrate the effect. I hear people saying "it's simple" yet nothing is there to show how simple it is.

I guess, with the experiments I've done, there are 2 standards of measuring overunity. First is the one everyone learns through basic electronics - Ohms law. The second is how the output is viewed or interpreted as overunity.

Just because Ohms law states it takes 1 watt to run a device in a closed system doesn't mean that device is actually requiring 1 watt to run. So in reality we can run the same device in a more efficient way. This would be thought to be overunity when in reality it's simply more efficient because the device doesn't really need the 1 watt to begin with. An example would be driving 50 LED's - Ohms law would predict 4 watts of useage but in reality they run very nicely on 1/2 watt. So is it a COP > 8 or are we simply learning how to utilize the energy in a different way that is far more efficient. When your in a mindset that you have overunity or a COP>8 then you usually think you can loop the excess energy back into the system... it's not there because your simply creating a more efficient system. If you base it on Ohms law then it only appears to be making more energy than your putting in, an illusion of fact.

So, the next best thing would be to be able to tap into a natural source of energy so that our input is nulified. Not overunity but a natural source. So maybe that solar panel rated at 100 watts could actually run what we would consider ( according to ohms law ) 400 watts of devices or more because we are doing it more efficiently.

What we are really looking for is another way to tap into our environment for the source energy and finding new ways to utilize that energy more efficiently in our everyday devices.

Just my opinion on what I've seen in my experiments....
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[Slovenia]

Getting There

Hi Farmhand,

I think we are getting there now. We have some very good people who I am pretty sure will help us reach the objective of what you speak. I have many contacts, and I'm trying to get some of them to help us also. Many of them are locked into confidentiality agreements so they can't help. Some of the others see a chance to get rich with this stuff, so they won't help. Right now, I think we need to figure out how to do this and do it so we can change the equation with the elite who run this planet in their own favor.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

What about when a solar panel is used directly with a battery, are they then opposing dipoles and are they dynamic or static when the panel is charging the battery, because they are opposing each other a diode is needed to separate them in one direction, even better would be to keep them always separate so the panel's potential can be greater. The more separation between them the better while still allowing the panel to float all it's now greater potential to the battery without ever being actually connected.

We need simple ways to do these things, so many will understand because they want to because they can see and understand what is happening and explain it to others.

As long as the people trying to design new ways to do things understand the very basic principal of the separation of charges and other principals they can work to these theories.

In my opinion we need to come up with something very simple as a place for people to start to think about doing things different. The average joe needs to be able to take in the principals, and most wont bother unless they can see something working, I have trouble trying to explain any of this stuff battery reconditioning the lot, most people don't see the point. It's frustrating. As 90% or more of the people I know will never be able to build a bedini energiser or a joule thief, they would rather go to work and buy a new battery. The "man" has made it so people just say- oh you can't do that thats not allowed is it? The masses need to be woken up with a super simple working and real live free energy device or super duper efficient stuff.

Other wise the masses probably wont care.

Regards

[Farmhand]

Opposing Dipole's

What about when a solar panel is used directly with a battery, are they then opposing dipoles and are they dynamic or static when the panel is charging the battery, because they are opposing each other a diode is needed to separate them in one direction, even better would be to keep them always separate so the panel's potential can be greater. The more separation between them the better while still allowing the panel to float all it's now greater potential to the battery without ever being actually connected.

We need simple ways to do these things, so many will understand because they want to because they can see and understand what is happening and explain it to others.

As long as the people trying to design new ways to do things understand the very basic principal of the separation of charges and other principals they can work to these theories.

In my opinion we need to come up with something very simple as a place for people to start to think about doing things different. The average joe needs to be able to take in the principals, and most wont bother unless they can see something working, I have trouble trying to explain any of this stuff battery reconditioning the lot, most people don't see the point. It's frustrating. As 90% or more of the people I know will never be able to build a bedini energiser or a joule thief, they would rather go to work and buy a new battery. The "man" has made it so people just say- oh you can't do that thats not allowed is it? The masses need to be woken up with a super simple working and real live free energy device or super duper efficient stuff.

Other wise the masses probably wont care.

Regards

[dragon]

Thanks Quantumuppercut, that helped put it into perspective to a certain degree. I've worked with one of Lamar's circuits ( slayer/puharich drawing ) with not much success. I've been experimenting with it in different arrangements but it doesn't do as well as my earlier circuit I posted. I can reproduce the oscillation that lamar posted from puharich. I just seem to be missing something.... understanding primarily.
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[quantumuppercut]

I'm trying to understand but it still hasn't quite made the light go off in my head.... If you have a charged battery not connected to a load this would be considered a dipole?

So in order to not kill the dipole you would need a single wire with a load on the end and a device that could switch the other end from pos to neg extreemly fast changing the potential of that wire thus powering the load. Therefore nothing is removed or added to the battery... ?????

I guess I'm looking for an analogy that will give me that " ah ha " moment. Until that moment of understanding happens, nothing can be built.

I think this is a core question. I also believe that most people misunderstood the meaning of killing dipole or dipole in general.

There are two types of dipoles
1/ Static dipole- a battery not connected, a srping stretched, a stone sitting at certain height...etc...
2/ dynamic dipole - oscillation in circuit, mass going back and forth on a spring, pendulum in action, stone bounching without friction etc...

You cannnot extract energy from static dipole. The dynamic dipole is what Tesla talking about. It is also called brownian motion (zero point fluctuation what so ever). However, there are dynamic dipole within static dipole. Richard Feynman proved that you cannot extract energy from brownian motion based on the brownian ratchet scenario, but he said that if the ratchet has a state below brownian state, you can. It's not practical to extract energy from brownian motion, but it's practical to create artificial huge brownian motion (oscillating circuit, pendulum swing, mass spring action etc..).

So I would say it's not "not killing dipole" but rather..."not killing the state of oscillation"... or efficient oscillation.

In my observation, Rosemary Anslie circuit is #1 efficient, #2 is Dr Stiffler oscillator. So far i'm stuck at drawing below 45mA on oscillator with fairly decent stength.

[Jbignes5]

yeah

I'm trying to understand but it still hasn't quite made the light go off in my head.... If you have a charged battery not connected to a load this would be considered a dipole?

So in order to not kill the dipole you would need a single wire with a load on the end and a device that could switch the other end from pos to neg extreemly fast changing the potential of that wire thus powering the load. Therefore nothing is removed or added to the battery... ?????

I guess I'm looking for an analogy that will give me that " ah ha " moment. Until that moment of understanding happens, nothing can be built.

A battery in my honest opinion is just a static potential generator. It is basically a pump for potential. A batteries ability to maintain that potential has tricked us into thinking there is that much power or charges or even energy to provide a load is in that battery. When in fact all a battery does is maintain the voltage potential that we then impart to our load. Eventually the chemical process that goes on in the battery gets depleted by this draining of ability to provide potential to a load. When we charge a battery we are only bringing the battery back up to the ability to provide a steady potential. Kinda like increasing the flow inside the battery to enable that increase. This does in fact recharge the chemical interaction within the battery to a higher level and that is supplied to the positive post only. The negative is suction and the positive is the pressure or abundance.

I would like to touch on the Bedini method one more time. Bedini uses charge depletion method. This is dangerous for two reasons. It will fundamentally change matter to a depleted charge state when exposed to this method. It will also be very hard to contain this method. Meaning the depletion is field based. This field can be quite large and can encompass a rather big area depleting everything in it's field. This is because they are using the charges and not supplying a good inlet to balance the fields effect. The battery in this case is the charge depleted source and this is evident by the recharging effect that continues long after the process was stopped. What bedinin does is the other end of the scale with the battery going into reverse operation. Much like you can run a device from two like polarities but differ in strength, you can also run the battery in "negative" mode. This does two things. It looks like it is regenerating the plates but that is just an appearance. The "negative" operation would do the opposite of what does "positive". When I say "negative" I mean lower in ambient charge when compared to another reference point. The second thing this does is make an electreet out of the dielectric material surrounding the battery. This might not be a good thing because what if you deplete the charge to a point where there is very little holding that material together. This could make the material fluffy and easier to break down. What I really wonder is what effect it has on the biological entities that are using that technology? The depletion is temporary but I doubt that could be good for either matter or bio mass.

I would tend to go the route of filling a space with energy and using some kind of superconductor to hold that energy together then depleting the matter around our device.

[Slovenia]

Tesla Single Wire Circuit

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[dragon]

I'm trying to understand but it still hasn't quite made the light go off in my head.... If you have a charged battery not connected to a load this would be considered a dipole?

So in order to not kill the dipole you would need a single wire with a load on the end and a device that could switch the other end from pos to neg extreemly fast changing the potential of that wire thus powering the load. Therefore nothing is removed or added to the battery... ?????

I guess I'm looking for an analogy that will give me that " ah ha " moment. Until that moment of understanding happens, nothing can be built.
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[Jbignes5]

The more I look into statics...

The more I feel that this is the secret. Check this patent out. It is a variable capacitance static generator that uses the imbalance of unmatched static capacitors. This too is yet another method to get a sloshing back and forth of a static potential and use that as well to drive a load.

Here it is:

Electrostatic energy conversion system - Google Patent Search

Imagine making one with many many plates? There would be no friction but the bearings.

[Slovenia]

not killing the dipole

Hi Jbignes5,

Yes, this is starting to make a lot more sense. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do such a good job of explaining this material. This is the kind of information I was hoping to get from someone. Thanks again!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Ok so back to the discussion at hand. I know this seems to be very long but you asked for it. Lets see if this makes any sense to you so far.. Ask away!

[Slovenia]

Thanks Very Much!!

Hi Jbingnes5,

Thank so much for taking the time to try and simplify the killing the dipole process!! As you said, it's not an easy concept to get into your mind properly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Ok the first thing is that dipole is a rather hard thing to imagine. Lets instead imagine a source of charges or energy. They are self contained and a cycle of energy or charges flows on the outside of the radius of the source charges. The source in this case is a swirling mass of charges that have formed organized chains into a never ending cycle. There is no beginning nor end to these chains and they can grow when more charges get scooped up in the cycle.

Ok that source is the dipole. It has potential to do work when it has other charges or matter to interact with. All current is, is potential in motion and the ability of that potential to drag or effect more charges or matter in that motion.

Lets relate this to what Tesla figured out. He figured out that charge and motion are not the same. The real physical world rides above a aetheric one. The aether is actually a network of dynamic conductors or guide for matter and real charges to follow. This network flow like water. and can arange itself in the same manner. It also tends to pool around larger sources and creates pathways for the real to follow. In fact our solar system is based off of this kind of flow. It's major channel is the sun and that channel is not perfect, it leaks. Thats what the sun is. It's only a leak around a conduit of very high pressure and the connectors that connect our planets to the sun are smaller then the connection coming into the sun hence why it leaks. This leak has emitted huge amounts of energy that has attracted matter to it. This matter is the physical form of the sun. The matter when it interacts with the energy reacts in a way that radiates all kinds of effects.

Now how do we use this natural event in a way to harness and convert it to real motion. Well one needs a source that can not be tapped or that can be tapped and regenerated on the fly. Tesla figured out that the medium is highly attracted to pure potential. Meaning it will form into a network around that source if it is exposed to the surrounding environment and the charges will flow. These charges interact with the environment in such a way that it creates light from the motion of the charges. This is the lightning effect that we see today. The amount of energy in that area around the network is immense. Not because we are providing the the energy but because of the interaction of what we did provide and the resultant movement of the charges twords what we did provide (high voltage).

Voltage moves the medium and then current flows twords that source with the provided pathways the medium moves into. Current is then able to flow along those pathways to the source. Once there the charges flip in polarity and rocket away. How that mechanism works, I am still working on but I am very close to understanding it.

Lets look at this:



This picture is very telling of what static energy is. When the brushes touch each piece of metal they become the potential of the ambient state of the air surrounding the plane of material with conductors on it. They discharge to their base charge level then go around to collect more from the environment and so on. This allows the leyden jars to collect these charges as a pulsed potential that step charges the leyden jars. When the leyden jars have enough potential to break down the spark gap it arcs and reacts with so much force that it drives the transformer very powerfully. Since the transformer is in step down mode this greatly enhances the flow at the output or increases the amperage and lowers the voltage potential.

This is an excellent source to use. I have posted links to the associated devices before. Here is one that can be used as a source.
METHOD OF AND APPARATUS FOR ELEC - Google Patent Search

In fact the Tesla experiment with the Pierce arrow might have used this since Tesla was very interested in static machines of the day. I checked the dates of this patent and his statement that statics is a viable method to utilize. Also his Nephew reported that there was a pressure guage on the consol that Tesla kept an eye on. Since this device is vacuum dependent to keep a certain amount of dielectric in the device and to reduce static emissions this seems to be a good course to follow.

Static shielding is most likely used after the source to keep corona from forming all along the wires except where the tubes were used or the designed in and out antennas. Tube=vacuum. The antennas are where the magic happens. instead of being like the typical corona, if you have two antennas it forms a straight line connection between the two points. Remember that voltage goes one way -> and current gets attracted the other <-. Voltage seems to move faster then the charges and leads me to believe that voltage does indeed lead current. So this leads me to believe that Tesla used a pair or maybe 3 antennas (1 being a pressure bypass) in such a way that they all weighed the same or had the same mass but were of different surface area. With one antenna being the out (large surface area) and the other two being the in's (smaller surface area). If you have read any of the Tesla documents You should read my favorite one:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

This has a lot of good information and this is mostly where others like Dollard and Don Smith have gotten their fundamentals from.

So is there a negative charge? Absolutely not. Why? Because if there was a negative charge then it would all stick together and not move one bit. Everything would have become neutral like matter is. So that leaves only one way to look at this. All charges are positive. It is the degree of difference(size) between two charges that determines if it is more positive then the other. So we can conclude that all mater has a basic charge level to it, in it's core. The matter is neutral of charge and only passes the charges potential to the outside environment. The charges in matter can be pumped up or leeched away and thats where we see transient effects like turning into solids or liquid. Of course the charges that are outside of matter are the balancing effect. Meaning that if you have 10 units of charge in the interior of the matter then you have a balancing 10 units on the outside of that matter.

I am thinking this is an old technology. That at one point ancient man had access to this knowledge and used it. If we look at Egypt and the white powdered gold one can see how they could in fact had a great supply of charge to do whatever they wished with it. If it is true about Ormus then we have the ultimate medium that has been condensed. It is suspected that this is a superconductor. Ok then how do we use it. Well just like the Egyptian did. Make a leyden jar but substitute this Ormus for the core material. Imagine a substance that can hold any amount of charge. The ark of the covenant was just such a device. The one ark that they suspect to be the covenant one was only filled with what they suspect was sand. Well what if it was filled with both sand and this white powdered gold. That would be one hell of a leyden jar.

Ok so back to the discussion at hand. I know this seems to be very long but you asked for it. Lets see if this makes any sense to you so far.. Ask away!

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Nvisser for sharing the circuit!!

Could this be an example of not killing the dipole?

[Jbignes5]

Yes

Could this be an example of not killing the dipole?

Yes. That is one method. Thats just a Tesla switch and that was done to prove that charges move from highest to lowest no matter what the polarity. Even with two like polarities it still will drive a motor and charge the end batteries.

[Jbignes5]

Not killing the dipole...

Ok the first thing is that dipole is a rather hard thing to imagine. Lets instead imagine a source of charges or energy. They are self contained and a cycle of energy or charges flows on the outside of the radius of the source charges. The source in this case is a swirling mass of charges that have formed organized chains into a never ending cycle. There is no beginning nor end to these chains and they can grow when more charges get scooped up in the cycle.

Ok that source is the dipole. It has potential to do work when it has other charges or matter to interact with. All current is, is potential in motion and the ability of that potential to drag or effect more charges or matter in that motion.

Lets relate this to what Tesla figured out. He figured out that charge and motion are not the same. The real physical world rides above a aetheric one. The aether is actually a network of dynamic conductors or guide for matter and real charges to follow. This network flow like water. and can arange itself in the same manner. It also tends to pool around larger sources and creates pathways for the real to follow. In fact our solar system is based off of this kind of flow. It's major channel is the sun and that channel is not perfect, it leaks. Thats what the sun is. It's only a leak around a conduit of very high pressure and the connectors that connect our planets to the sun are smaller then the connection coming into the sun hence why it leaks. This leak has emitted huge amounts of energy that has attracted matter to it. This matter is the physical form of the sun. The matter when it interacts with the energy reacts in a way that radiates all kinds of effects.

Now how do we use this natural event in a way to harness and convert it to real motion. Well one needs a source that can not be tapped or that can be tapped and regenerated on the fly. Tesla figured out that the medium is highly attracted to pure potential. Meaning it will form into a network around that source if it is exposed to the surrounding environment and the charges will flow. These charges interact with the environment in such a way that it creates light from the motion of the charges. This is the lightning effect that we see today. The amount of energy in that area around the network is immense. Not because we are providing the the energy but because of the interaction of what we did provide and the resultant movement of the charges twords what we did provide (high voltage).

Voltage moves the medium and then current flows twords that source with the provided pathways the medium moves into. Current is then able to flow along those pathways to the source. Once there the charges flip in polarity and rocket away. How that mechanism works, I am still working on but I am very close to understanding it.

Lets look at this:



This picture is very telling of what static energy is. When the brushes touch each piece of metal they become the potential of the ambient state of the air surrounding the plane of material with conductors on it. They discharge to their base charge level then go around to collect more from the environment and so on. This allows the leyden jars to collect these charges as a pulsed potential that step charges the leyden jars. When the leyden jars have enough potential to break down the spark gap it arcs and reacts with so much force that it drives the transformer very powerfully. Since the transformer is in step down mode this greatly enhances the flow at the output or increases the amperage and lowers the voltage potential.

This is an excellent source to use. I have posted links to the associated devices before. Here is one that can be used as a source.
METHOD OF AND APPARATUS FOR ELEC - Google Patent Search

In fact the Tesla experiment with the Pierce arrow might have used this since Tesla was very interested in static machines of the day. I checked the dates of this patent and his statement that statics is a viable method to utilize. Also his Nephew reported that there was a pressure guage on the consol that Tesla kept an eye on. Since this device is vacuum dependent to keep a certain amount of dielectric in the device and to reduce static emissions this seems to be a good course to follow.

Static shielding is most likely used after the source to keep corona from forming all along the wires except where the tubes were used or the designed in and out antennas. Tube=vacuum. The antennas are where the magic happens. instead of being like the typical corona, if you have two antennas it forms a straight line connection between the two points. Remember that voltage goes one way -> and current gets attracted the other <-. Voltage seems to move faster then the charges and leads me to believe that voltage does indeed lead current. So this leads me to believe that Tesla used a pair or maybe 3 antennas (1 being a pressure bypass) in such a way that they all weighed the same or had the same mass but were of different surface area. With one antenna being the out (large surface area) and the other two being the in's (smaller surface area). If you have read any of the Tesla documents You should read my favorite one:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

This has a lot of good information and this is mostly where others like Dollard and Don Smith have gotten their fundamentals from.

So is there a negative charge? Absolutely not. Why? Because if there was a negative charge then it would all stick together and not move one bit. Everything would have become neutral like matter is. So that leaves only one way to look at this. All charges are positive. It is the degree of difference(size) between two charges that determines if it is more positive then the other. So we can conclude that all mater has a basic charge level to it, in it's core. The matter is neutral of charge and only passes the charges potential to the outside environment. The charges in matter can be pumped up or leeched away and thats where we see transient effects like turning into solids or liquid. Of course the charges that are outside of matter are the balancing effect. Meaning that if you have 10 units of charge in the interior of the matter then you have a balancing 10 units on the outside of that matter.

I am thinking this is an old technology. That at one point ancient man had access to this knowledge and used it. If we look at Egypt and the white powdered gold one can see how they could in fact had a great supply of charge to do whatever they wished with it. If it is true about Ormus then we have the ultimate medium that has been condensed. It is suspected that this is a superconductor. Ok then how do we use it. Well just like the Egyptian did. Make a leyden jar but substitute this Ormus for the core material. Imagine a substance that can hold any amount of charge. The ark of the covenant was just such a device. The one ark that they suspect to be the covenant one was only filled with what they suspect was sand. Well what if it was filled with both sand and this white powdered gold. That would be one hell of a leyden jar.

Ok so back to the discussion at hand. I know this seems to be very long but you asked for it. Lets see if this makes any sense to you so far.. Ask away!