Pyramid

[NickZ]

Sucahyo:
I did not sleep hardly at all last night, and this morning I feel very bad, worse than when I went to sleep last night. I guess I am worried, or maybe it was the moon affects. Whatever it is I feel like hell today.
I looked into orgone energy devices, and read about cemenite also. Very interesting stuff. Specially about the vegetables growing so much bigger. If the Pot growers knew about that, they would all change over to that way, and utilize that method for growth improvement.

Possibly since I sleep in a pyramid, any environmental affects or moon effects may also affect me, positively as well as negatively. As I spend 1/3 of my life inside that Cosmic Antenna.

I see that what Bc is mentioning about connecting the Jt type device to the cement batteries is probably the way to go. But only if each battery puts out at least 5 mAs, which mine don't after a while. My older beach sand batteries are also hardily putting out any current at all, although will still light an led or two when two are connect in series. And the newer ones are working just like a capacitor, starting out nice and strong but becoming weak after a while once connected. I tried connecting them all (6) in series, as well as in parallel, but that does not help, as there seams to be too much resistance or loss between them to link more than two or three of them together like that. Again, the weakest ones will also limit the flow through the rest of them. Some other guys have had some luck with that though. I still want to place the cone coil inverted through itself inside the can, as the last try, if that doesn't work I'll give it up, at least with using sand. They are still the only "free light" I have made yet.
I also tried to connect them to the secondary of my strongest Jtc, that has a pot, but a single led only lights for a few seconds before going out. I can light 3 or more leds directly connected to the cans, but again, they don't last very long lighting brightly that way. A bit frustrating so far.
Yesterday was the day that Bashar spoke in San Francisco, but there is no new information on that yet, or on the Space Antenna Yahoo Groups site:
YouTube - Bashar - Free Energy Space-Time Antenna with Photos

I can't afford to buy that much thick insulated copper wire just to have the antenna sitting there not doing anything. I'm still hoping that it will work, even though nobody have been able to light even an Led off of it.
Thanks for the info on Russel ideas. He would not have mentioned that the coils "work", if they don't.

[sucahyo]

NickZ, I think cone coil inside cement battery will act more like electrode. I think we should put the cap / battery inside / between the field of the cone coil.

I try to peel my cell and let it dry completely, and now it no longer produce voltage.

Vtech, thanks for the info. Interesting that energy can flip side slowly.

Here is russell picture related to cone, click to zoom:

@ Sucahyo: I watched your video about making the cemenite, and it looks like they are good for just about everything. Are they good for curing spinning heads? Thanks for the link to your videos.

Sometimes cemenite can help ease headache, especially if it related to nightmare or hard to sleep effect.

[NickZ]

Bc:
Thank you for the information. I also watched your video which helped a lot to understand your point. Now I see what is happening.
I am a bit disappointed in that my newer cement batteries are not holding a charge either, and the led light becomes dim after a while, although it does not go completely out. They are working more like a capacitor than a batteries. The single Led I use is also a blue one, is not as bright as yours although it starts about as same intensity, but as you mentioned they will drop down and become dim. A useless intensity, just like a indicator light. I normally find that the Jtc is taking more power that it gives when connected to such a low mA circuit, but in your case it looks like the trim pot is regulating that to a degree. I have burnt out my pots, and have not been able to replace them yet. Although I have one that may work to somewhat to test your idea. I have tried to connect the batteries to a Jt with no resistor, but the leds (3 on that Jtc) still will not light when going through it. I can light three leds connected direct to the batteries.
I also tried a combination of series and parallel connections with the batteries, but also no luck there. Maybe it will work like yours does with just a resistor on the cement batteries, to keep the voltage and mAs from dropping as fast. I'll get it sooner or later.
Anyways, my head is also spinning... thanks again, for your help.

@ Sucahyo: I watched your video about making the cemenite, and it looks like they are good for just about everything. Are they good for curing spinning heads? Thanks for the link to your videos.

[blackchisel97]

I need to take a break. My head is spinning.
Nick, take a transistor (I use 2N2222). Solder LED between the C-E (cathode to the E. Connect the B to the 20 -50kOhm pot. E is negative of your battery. C goes to one end of one coil. Center pin from the pot goes to the end of second coil. Remaining wires from both coils are connected together and go to the positive of your battery. Coil can be 35 -40ft of thin #30 or near wire wound together (bifilar) on piece of iron (1/8" thick) or can be an air coil. I used this to oscillate my copper cones and small starship coil. It will start to oscillate at 0.75V and light LED at 3mA. At 5mA LED will be fully bright. You may notice brightest LED in certain spot, not necessary lowest pot resistance. Also, you may found a spot where your battery sits for a long time powering LED and is not dropping fast.

Thanks
Vtech

[NickZ]

Bc:
The pictures and diagrams may be wrong, I would forget Russel for now.
So long as the one coil is cw and the other is ccw should be all that is important. The pic of your last small coils you show, look right to me.
It is also the same way that I will do my next cement battery, as the cone shape coil inverted up through itself is working best in my set up, with alot more mAs. Baking power (not soda) was also added.
Please explain about the Jt connected to the cement battery not draining the charge. How many total mAs are you drawing, and total voltage also? Are you using a resistor, if so, of what value?
Thanks in advance for the info, and good luck with your Antenna Coil.

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for clarification Vtech .

Notice that it is different from yours. Yes, and I think I did mistake...

If we look always from the top, the winding goes CW as the loop get smaller to reach the top, and then starting the winding again also CW from the top to get smaller to the bottom. Yes, correct. Again, I did follow written description which I found confusing.
Do they both have same energy pattern?
When I checked it was changing. At one moment left side was stronger after a while the right side took over.

So the close loop interconnect both bashar antenna?

When done the way which now I think it should be done they could be looped since there is one direction from base to apex as well as one direction through inner and outer coil but I don't think they should be connected outside. Only in the center.


Vtech

[blackchisel97]

Thanks for clarification Vtech .
Will you make the one with winding like this 3D version bellow?

Notice that it is different from yours.
If we look always from the top, the winding goes CW as the loop get smaller to reach the top, and then starting the winding again also CW from the top to get smaller to the bottom.

If we trace the wire route from bottom standing cone and always see from the top; your first one CW going up, CCW going down; your second one CCW going up and CW going down.
Do they both have same energy pattern?
So the close loop interconnect both bashar antenna?

I spent another few hours following Russell. Just when thought that I finally understood I came to the conclusion that it can be interpreted in two different ways.
Bashar antenna is simple; you keep winding in one direction up and down in the same direction - cw, just like in the pic below.
Russell coils are somewhat different. Now, when I read over from his description - "the inner coils are wound from the ends toward the center in opposite direction. The outer coils are wound from the center toward ends in opposite directions" - it did appear to me what it means (I hope I'm right this time). I tried to wind small model based on that and it didn't make sense, as well as my bigger coils. What Russell means by inner and outer coils?
If we see the coils as vortex, then the beginning/enter/input would be the wide part. That's where the vortex starts forming. Following this, inner coil would be the one which has bases in the center and apices facing out (two cones connected with bases).
Outer coil is the one made of two cones connected with apexes.
What was confusing in Russell description was "opposite direction" mentioned twice and suggesting that opposite cones have opposite winding directions and that's the way I made my cones. Beside, this comment under the picture wasn't made by Russell but someone who wrote about him. If you eliminate first "opposite direction" leaving the last one then entire thing make sense.
What I think it suppose to mean is that INNER and OUTER coils are wound i opposite direction. Inner coil (cones connected with bases) is wound CCW (Fig.127) and outer is wound IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION - CW (Fig.126).
As a consequence we have two coils which are assembled together. Also, as I thought at first (but did wrong) they are two identical coils (as per Bashar) but connected in the center (apex to apex and base to base) instead of connecting apex with base of one set. Now, we have two coils; inner and outer with outside wires; two from apexes of inner coil and two from bases of outer coil. The equator, also marked as "0" in the Phi, or equilibrium zone or a Bloch Wall - same as in bifilar coil, wound with twisted (Litz) wire. If we stimulate this tank into vibration and compressing/decompressing time/space and energy starts flowing in pulses accordingly from the vacuum through the zero point? What do you think
But when I look at the central picture of entire assembly, those arrows are messing things up again. While right side (both cones) seems correct, the left one has arrows suddenly changing direction I can't find more info from Russell about this. I think it was described in the book which I don't have - Atomic Suicide. I need to go through those I have again and perhaps to rewind those coils and .....find out.


Vtech

[NickZ]

Guys:
I have finished the new beach sand batteries, and they are showing the expected results of much higher mA readings. But there is a catch... they are working just like a capacitor. When first connected to the meter each battery will bounce the meter's needle up to about 40 mA. Then drop fairly quickly (one minute) as I am watching, down to about 3 mA, and stay there. The voltage is almost 2 volts at first, but also drops to about 1.2 volts, or so after a while. In any case they are stronger than the previously made ones, but still drop down to a lower light level after a while.
I have not been able to light a Joule Thief with them yet, even when three of them in series are showing 6 volts readings. I have not had a chance to connected them both in series as well as in parallel, at the same time yet, Or to connect the right Jt to them, with no resistor in the circuit, like I did with my solar Jtc.
I think that making a copper coil that goes inside of the can that looks like one coil of the Basher cone antenna, may work better than a straight coil. Same principal perhaps. I have one coil ready made for that test next.
I think that these are capacitor-batteries, but like a lower farad capacitor they don't hold their original standing charge for long, but do bounce back quickly. I know they would charge the right capacitor bank or a battery if given enough time, as I've already tried to charge a capacitor, with success. The one with weakest voltage and current will restrict the flow of juice to the rest of them in series, just like a restriction in a water hose.
Great fun, so far...

[sucahyo]

@sucahyo What you see on this pic. are two overlapping inverted cones. Both are wound in same direction and continuous fashion. You wind clockwise all the way up and continue same way going back down ( exactly like Bashar explained). Second set of cones is wound counterclockwise all the way. Now, when two sets are placed together you have two cones with bases touching and two with apexes touching. Each cone has a partner wound in opposite direction. So, you have male and female side of inner as well outer coils.

Thanks for clarification Vtech .

Will you make the one with winding like this 3D version bellow?


Notice that it is different from yours.

If we look always from the top, the winding goes CW as the loop get smaller to reach the top, and then starting the winding again also CW from the top to get smaller to the bottom.

If we trace the wire route from bottom standing cone and always see from the top; your first one CW going up, CCW going down; your second one CCW going up and CW going down.

I built the second coil last night and placed them in horizontal plane spaced apart by a distance of winding. EF are just as I expected. When I pull them further apart there is a field in between but when they are closer together this field emanates like a sphere around the center.

Do they both have same energy pattern?

When they remain connected as per Bashar something doesn't feel right. Like a closed loop instead of open. Maybe I shouldn't try to marry both concepts together (Bashar coil and Russell device) despite the resemblance

So the close loop interconnect both bashar antenna?

[blackchisel97]

[QUOTE=Golden Mean;137507]Perhaps you could stimulate it using resonant frequencies? Instead of directly energizing it with an electrical connection, find the resonant frequency of one of the cones and project that at it. In other words, let it act as an antenna and see what it does. Perhaps it is self-entraining once set in motion? I don't know, just throwing out ideas.
Looks like a fun project to play around with and reminds me of the Big Secret Coil by Loohan - The Big Secret

I corrected above URL to open properly. End bracket wasn't needed.
Loohan coils are similar in concept and i have built couple of them before.

@Golden Mean, Yes, that's what I was doing with my copper cones before and I feel that it should be the case here as well. I'll disconnect them from their current configuration and try to stimulate to resonate. Resonating coils may be subject to something coupling with their field and eventually manifesting itself. I hope

Thank you for ringing in


Vtech

[Golden Mean]

@sucahyo What you see on this pic. are two overlapping inverted cones. Both are wound in same direction and continuous fashion. You wind clockwise all the way up and continue same way going back down ( exactly like Bashar explained). Second set of cones is wound counterclockwise all the way. Now, when two sets are placed together you have two cones with bases touching and two with apexes touching. Each cone has a partner wound in opposite direction. So, you have male and female side of inner as well outer coils.
I built the second coil last night and placed them in horizontal plane spaced apart by a distance of winding. EF are just as I expected. When I pull them further apart there is a field in between but when they are closer together this field emanates like a sphere around the center. There are also fields in the areas where cones are overlapping as well as the ends. Now, my dilemma is; how and where to energize this. If I leave both being connected as per Bashar directions I have two sets of opposing coils, each in reverse-parallel connection. Russell have mentioned that circuit needed to be energized. Also, in his description he is referring to "inner" and "outer" coils - which (IMO) are represented not by each set of inverted cones but when this is assembled and you're having two cones with apexes facing and two cones with bases facing each other. I have used white and black wire for the purpose of clarity. If I bring both sets close together I have black coils (inner) with apexes facing out and white (outer) with apexes facing center. So this resembles my earlier experiments with conical coils attached to each other with bases or apexes. The only difference is that when I was working with cone coils I've been using both windings or have them connected in oscillating tank circuit. When they remain connected as per Bashar something doesn't feel right. Like a closed loop instead of open. Maybe I shouldn't try to marry both concepts together (Bashar coil and Russell device) despite the resemblance




Vtech

Perhaps you could stimulate it using resonant frequencies? Instead of directly energizing it with an electrical connection, find the resonant frequency of one of the cones and project that at it. In other words, let it act as an antenna and see what it does. Perhaps it is self-entraining once set in motion? I don't know, just throwing out ideas.
Looks like a fun project to play around with and reminds me of the Big Secret Coil by Loohan (http://www.whale.to/b/big_secret_h.html).

Thanks for sharing.
~ Golden

[blackchisel97]

Sorry, I got more confuse. You mean two space antenna coil with both have different winding?

So you will NOT build the second picture? Because it change direction after the apex?

@sucahyo What you see on this pic. are two overlapping inverted cones. Both are wound in same direction and continuous fashion. You wind clockwise all the way up and continue same way going back down ( exactly like Bashar explained). Second set of cones is wound counterclockwise all the way. Now, when two sets are placed together you have two cones with bases touching and two with apexes touching. Each cone has a partner wound in opposite direction. So, you have male and female side of inner as well outer coils.
I built the second coil last night and placed them in horizontal plane spaced apart by a distance of winding. EF are just as I expected. When I pull them further apart there is a field in between but when they are closer together this field emanates like a sphere around the center. There are also fields in the areas where cones are overlapping as well as the ends. Now, my dilemma is; how and where to energize this. If I leave both being connected as per Bashar directions I have two sets of opposing coils, each in reverse-parallel connection. Russell have mentioned that circuit needed to be energized. Also, in his description he is referring to "inner" and "outer" coils - which (IMO) are represented not by each set of inverted cones but when this is assembled and you're having two cones with apexes facing and two cones with bases facing each other. I have used white and black wire for the purpose of clarity. If I bring both sets close together I have black coils (inner) with apexes facing out and white (outer) with apexes facing center. So this resembles my earlier experiments with conical coils attached to each other with bases or apexes. The only difference is that when I was working with cone coils I've been using both windings or have them connected in oscillating tank circuit. When they remain connected as per Bashar something doesn't feel right. Like a closed loop instead of open. Maybe I shouldn't try to marry both concepts together (Bashar coil and Russell device) despite the resemblance




Vtech

[sucahyo]

According to Dr Russell as well as 1/2 Russel which is Bashar Let say you start winding from the base (not practical but to simplify explanation) and continue CW toward the apex. Now you move wire (bend) from the apex toward circumference and continue winding down, toward base keeping CW direction (motion of your hand). This is your first coil set. Second is done the same way (starting from the base and winding up) but you go CCW. Now you have two sets which be positioned close to each other. At least this is the way I understand.


Vtech

Sorry, I got more confuse. You mean two space antenna coil with both have different winding?

So you will NOT build the second picture? Because it change direction after the apex?

[blackchisel97]

If each coil is wound in opposite (CW and CCW) directions it should be ok.

I am finding that if several of the cement batteries are connected in series, the voltage will be raised, but not the current. So the leds are still not much brighter, even if several batteries are connect together. The little amount of current they start with is quickly lost, so is the voltage, from about 4 volts down to only a two volts. Tomorrow I'll try connecting two batteries in parallel and a two in series to see what happens. New ones are in the oven drying out, so far they have slightly more voltage (1/2 volt more) than the previous ones.

Are you running LED's with oscillator or directly? Those cells are comfortable in 5mA range and can hold that steady for hours. Running LED directly even if battery is capable of doing so will result in rapid loss.


Vtech

[NickZ]

If each coil is wound in opposite (CW and CCW) directions it should be ok.

I am finding that if several of the cement batteries are connected in series, the voltage will be raised, but not the current. So the leds are still not much brighter, even if several batteries are connect together. The little amount of current they start with is quickly lost, so is the voltage, from about 4 volts down to only a two volts. Tomorrow I'll try connecting two batteries in parallel and a two in series to see what happens. New ones are in the oven drying out, so far they have slightly more voltage (1/2 volt more) than the previous ones.