Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

Hi 7imix, I'm using a bridge rectifier to charge a battery and place the probe and ground on the AC connections of the bridge, so i'm charging a battery while I do it. yes I did see your frequency go up to 28khz but it looked like the waveform got a little less straight to me after a point in the video, not much though.

Here's a shot

Though I'm not exactly sure what frequency that is. I think onlyabout 12khz.



Sucahyo I remember you talking about a small capacitor in series with the the bridge on stingo could you tell me how that is wired is it placed accross the AC connections of the bridge?

Edit#2 7imix, I forgot to answer your question about the coil, sorry. I have a couple that do it one is carefully wound 3 layers on a 10mm straight cylindrical core about 28 winds total 1mm wire, the other is less than 15 feet 0.7mm wire very roughly wound on a toroid. 20khz seems to be my Stingo's limit.

[7imix]

Nice, thanks farmhand.

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the winding info everyone .

I got a very interesting waveform where the impulse wave was causing an oscillating wave, but only at a very specific tuning.

I was able to get the toroid to oscillate at 30khz, which I think is a record for me with the stingo.

YouTube - Stingo toroid

Thank you. I wonder what is required to make continuous secondary oscillating one.

When you reach 30Khz, did you change other potentiometer value? I recall I have to change the other if I want to use high frequency version. I think you can get even higher without neon bulb as load.

Batteries are not as straight forward in how they take energy. But how 'bout measuring input current and timing how long it takes to charge a capacitor with well known capacity to a certain voltage? Then just do the math to figure out total wattage?

That is nice idea . But we may need a big capacitor to do that. It filed up 10000uF in just seconds...
YouTube - two Stingo charging10000uf cap

Hi Sucahyo so for charging like this schematic to be sure?.

No, for charger use the circuit I post. Your diagram is lesser alternative. The diagram need to be corrected, the connection from charged battery positive to source negative made it wrong.

Hi 7imix, I'm using a bridge rectifier to charge a battery and place the probe and ground on the AC connections of the bridge, so i'm charging a battery while I do it. yes I did see your frequency go up to 28khz but it looked like the waveform got a little less straight to me after a point in the video, not much though.

Here's a shot

I see, the stingo produce different h wave depend on load. Thanks .

Sucahyo I remember you talking about a small capacitor in series with the the bridge on stingo could you tell me how that is wired is it placed accross the AC connections of the bridge?

That already included in my latest diagram:

[7imix]

Thank you. I wonder what is required to make continuous secondary oscillating one.

When you reach 30Khz, did you change other potentiometer value? I recall I have to change the other if I want to use high frequency version. I think you can get even higher without neon bulb as load.

I think I need to build a stingo with even more potentiometers to get even better fine tuning. For the 500k pot, a 500k, 50k, and 10k in series; for the 10k pot, a 50k, 10k, and 1k in series; for the 100k voltage divider resistor, a 100k, 50k, and 10k in series. I find, especially with the 500k, that interesting waveforms occur in a very small range of tuning, it would be nice to tune the rough pot until I get an interesting waveform and then tune the finer pots.

Yes, in that video, I was changing all pot values to attempt to get the highest frequency. I got a "feel" for it while tuning them but it's hard to describe and impossible to show in a video.

I have been dreaming about a stingo with digitally controlled pots, with a readout somewhere that shows you what each pot is set to... Someday...

[Guruji]

Circuit diagram

Hi Sucahyo thanks for help. About the diodes what kind of diodes should be used 1n4007? and regarding toroid about 2ohms right? and how much wattage those resistors?
Thanks

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, my friend, what to say but : explain me
how to combine more stingos to get more power.
I mean that thing "combining radiant output 0,20 +0,20 = 1,5 A"
is very interesting but there is few things that i do not understand :
1. How to combine my three stingos in that way cause it is obviously
different circuit with specific trafo etc.
2. In the posts that you discuss about this stuff you speak about
very small efficiency combining stingo and joule t...so, how come
0,20 + 0,20 = 1,5 A and in the text speaking about it so little efficiency ?
Maybe i miss something again ?
3. Could you attach bedini solid state diagram that you glorified with
so big ?
And what cop you achieved with bedini solid state ?

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

I think I need to build a stingo with even more potentiometers to get even better fine tuning. For the 500k pot, a 500k, 50k, and 10k in series; for the 10k pot, a 50k, 10k, and 1k in series; for the 100k voltage divider resistor, a 100k, 50k, and 10k in series. I find, especially with the 500k, that interesting waveforms occur in a very small range of tuning, it would be nice to tune the rough pot until I get an interesting waveform and then tune the finer pots.

Yes, in that video, I was changing all pot values to attempt to get the highest frequency. I got a "feel" for it while tuning them but it's hard to describe and impossible to show in a video.

Thanks . I will look forward for the result .

BTW, would the frequency change if you touch the potentiometer?

I have been dreaming about a stingo with digitally controlled pots, with a readout somewhere that shows you what each pot is set to... Someday...

That is what I dream too .

Hi Sucahyo thanks for help. About the diodes what kind of diodes should be used 1n4007? and regarding toroid about 2ohms right? and how much wattage those resistors?
Thanks

Don't use 1N4007, use FR304 or other >2 amp diode.

Toroid maybe around 1 to 2 ohm. use 2 watt for the 100 ohm.

Sucahyo, my friend, what to say but : explain me
how to combine more stingos to get more power.
I mean that thing "combining radiant output 0,20 +0,20 = 1,5 A"
is very interesting but there is few things that i do not understand :
1. How to combine my three stingos in that way cause it is obviously
different circuit with specific trafo etc.

Sorry, I thought when you are talking three stingo you have three complete stingo circuit. Am I wrong?

If you already have three stingo, you just need to put attention where to connect the coil output end.

Three coil driven with one transistor may end up having less efficiency.

Can you post the photos of all your three stingo?

2. In the posts that you discuss about this stuff you speak about very small efficiency combining stingo and joule t...so, how come 0,20 + 0,20 = 1,5 A and in the text speaking about it so little efficiency ?
Maybe i miss something again ?

Maybe I word it wrong. The main point is if you combine radiant circuit, you get double output with less than double consumption.

0.2+0.2=1.5A is amp meter measurement on circuit output. Individually it produce 0.2A, when combined it produce 1.5A. But may not be like that if we use battery as load.

3. Could you attach bedini solid state diagram that you glorified with so big ?
And what cop you achieved with bedini solid state ?

Stingo is Bedini solid state derivation. I just want to mention how great it is to charge battery 4 times faster and yet 10 times cooler .

[Farmhand]

Hi all, I had a bit of a mess about with something I call the volcano coil, here's the first vid, another one coming wireless lighting in the next one.

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

I'll wait till dark for the lighting vid, stingo is Awesome fun.

Cheers

[7imix]

BTW, would the frequency change if you touch the potentiometer?

Yes, I think I have observed the frequency change if I touch the pot, but it was just a casual observation, I will pay attention more carefully next time I experiment. Sometimes when running spark gap experiments I get shocked slightly when I touch the pot and the frequency changes. The next stingo I build will have insulated caps on top of all of the pots

[sucahyo]

Hi all, I had a bit of a mess about with something I call the volcano coil, here's the first vid, another one coming wireless lighting in the next one.

YouTube - AlternateFarmhand1's Channel

I'll wait till dark for the lighting vid, stingo is Awesome fun.

Cheers

Nice . The interwinding spark is very interesting since it means there is high enough potential between a short wire for spark....Is that what it was?

[sucahyo]

Yes, I think I have observed the frequency change if I touch the pot, but it was just a casual observation, I will pay attention more carefully next time I experiment. Sometimes when running spark gap experiments I get shocked slightly when I touch the pot and the frequency changes. The next stingo I build will have insulated caps on top of all of the pots

Ok . Please let me know if the waveform change too if you touch it.

[Farmhand]

Nice . The interwinding spark is very interesting since it means there is high enough potential between a short wire for spark....Is that what it was?

Yeah I got some arc overs in there and after I finished the vid I got long arcs clawling around it also purple carona stuff in a couple of spots, i've changed to both in parallel then two arc's one in series one parallel, wow, and wireless lighting neon's and fluro's will upload another video later I gotta find my tripod and make some room. This thing was just breaking down the insulation in no time where the coils were too close together and arcing up like mad.. I'm having a real laugh with this, when i stop the battery voltage go's crazy.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Hi all, i'm having trouble filmimg, my video camera charger burst into flames in my hand when I pluged it in, so now I have to find a way to charge it's battery. It's a bit wierd because my picture camera batteries went flat too, really quickly, just a coincidence I suppose. Anyway the wireless lighting effect is real but doesn't go for very far. I'm driving the ignition coil with stingo's AC ability. The way I have it now the volcano coil's two windings are curled for about 2 inches above the cone, but I don't think thats the best because I keep getting breakdown right at the apex of the cone, doesn't seem to be anything I can do to stop it, I think i'll have to wind another one with bigger spacings between the windings. I'll have to use stingo to charge my video camera battery now.

I think there must be some capacitive effect on the plastic coil form ( garden light lenz) it's very crackly and sparky. Ozone smell is very strong. Well it's 4.30 AM here I just jumped out of bed so i can play some more stingo music.

[cikljamas]

Sorry, I thought when you are talking three stingo you have three complete stingo circuit. Am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong, i am using three complete stingo circuit !

If you already have three stingo, you just need to put attention where to connect the coil output end.

Coil output end, ? You mean R1 , R2 and R3 ?

You can see them in my last two videos, but they are connected just
according your schematic for three stingo :
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But to spare your time here is picture from one of these videos :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7053&stc=1&d=1290741446

The only difference between this picture and my stingo now is in one
detail : i removed those little fwbrs that you can see in the picture,and
that was because i applied your diode-cap. combiner on the output as
it is in this diagram of three stingo combiner...

Maybe I word it wrong. The main point is if you combine radiant circuit, you get double output with less than double consumption.

Well my three stingos do not produce almost nothing more than just
one stingo and that amazes me...I just can not figure out how can it
be...

0.2+0.2=1.5A is amp meter measurement on circuit output. Individually it produce 0.2A, when combined it produce 1.5A. But may not be like that if we use battery as load.

Well, maybe i did not understand context of this combiner, but i stumbled
on this :
YouTube - More effcient hv triggered joule thief with transformer with core

I made this circuit few hours ago, but i did not made joule thief, i have
now schematic of basic joule thief circuit, but could you suggest me or attach full diagram with connections between joule thief circuit and this one with 24/240 transformer that i just have made being inspired with this
video of yours ?

Thanks in advance !
Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Thans for the info Farmhand .

Do the spark only appear at the top part?

I think wireless related to the coil size.

Hi all, i'm having trouble filmimg, my video camera charger burst into flames in my hand when I pluged it in, so now I have to find a way to charge it's battery. It's a bit wierd because my picture camera batteries went flat too, really quickly, just a coincidence I suppose.

That's bad . Just in case it is not a coincidence, put some metal bar preferably alumunium between them. Or protect the device with alumunium wrap. I think stingo spark is more destructive than other circuit spark. I think it is possible that it produce something meter can not detect but the battery can feel it.

Good thing you can still charge it with stingo . I find it entertaining charging with a stingo that also produce spark , but I don't guarantee battery health though, because the spark may influence the primary and thus influence the charged battery too.

Coil output end, ? You mean R1 , R2 and R3 ?

Yes.

Well my three stingos do not produce almost nothing more than just one stingo and that amazes me...I just can not figure out how can it be...

Forget about efficiency for a moment and please answer this question:
- what is the output current of your three stingo while charging the battery?
- what is the output current of your single stingo while charging the battery?
- what is the input current of your three stingo while charging the battery?
- do you use big diode? It is very important for you to use more than 2 Amp diode.
- can you show your FWBR cominer photos?
- do you connect your circuit like this bellow? This incorporate three stingo which you already have, and you need to rebuild the FWBR to connect like shown.


You seems confuse with the diagram, to help you, can you post your photos of all three stingo. I will edit it to add the diode or capacitor needed to combine them.

Or try to combine only two first by replicating this combiner bellow:

Well, maybe i did not understand context of this combiner, but i stumbled on this :
YouTube - More effcient hv triggered joule thief with transformer with core

I made this circuit few hours ago, but i did not made joule thief, i have
now schematic of basic joule thief circuit, but could you suggest me or attach full diagram with connections between joule thief circuit and this one with 24/240 transformer that i just have made being inspired with this
video of yours ?

I call the circuit in the video as joule thief. The main difference is I add PNP.

I abandon that circuit because it require switch to run and almost impossible to use as charger. While stingo work on almost any coil. That circuit only can run on only one of my coil.

It do not worth the trouble. But if you really want to replicate, connect it like the diagram shown in the video. If you don't have 240V/24V transformer, you can try other transformer you have, but I don't guarantee it can run.