Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Guruji]

Stingo circuit

Hi thanks Sucahyo for response. Which is the circuit cause I saw many and where should the toroid be in the circuit? I should do this.
Thanks.

[cikljamas]

Here is the diagram for FWBR combiner for three stingo.

Thanks for diagram !
How come you did not comment my stingo overunity ?
You said that three stingo should mean three times more output power,
but did you mean that input power stays the same or increase too ?
Which combiner is the best for charging batteries in your opinion ?
When we should use steorn orbo, what is advantage of it ?

Have you ever try to charge cell phone batt., or 2 AA batt., i am charging just right now two AA batt. ...input 240 mA, output 300 mA...It is OU again, but it seems nobody is fascinated with it, it amazes me, is it so common
thing that nobody even congratulated me (us, You first of all, of course) ???
WEIRD

I even begin to doubt if they even believe it, maybe they think it is fraud,
or if they do not, than the only remain answer is that it is not anything
spectacular...But every OU should be considered spectacular since i can
not remember more then (watkykjys selfcharger) one case on youtube
with obvious OU ???

No comment about it in thread "This is it" too...
I must be missing something, i feel like a stranger in a crowd !!!
YouTube - Elvis presley stranger in the crowd
Might be that Tesla felt like stranger in a crowd too when he came in America, he said that his first impression was that America is 100 years after Europe, but after one month spent in America he found out that America is 100 years before Europe, and it was 100 years ago...

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Hi thanks Sucahyo for response. Which is the circuit cause I saw many and where should the toroid be in the circuit? I should do this.
Thanks.

Toroid used as core for the coil in the diagram. If you see two winding in the diagram, you can ignore the second one if you only want to use it as charger.

Thanks for diagram !
How come you did not comment my stingo overunity ?

My latest congratulation to you is for that video .

You said that three stingo should mean three times more output power, but did you mean that input power stays the same or increase too ?

The input power will increase but not as much. Three stingo will have three times output with input power less than three times .

More experiment here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5645-combining-radiant-output-0-2-0-2-1-5-a.html

post the question in this thread if any.

Which combiner is the best for charging batteries in your opinion ?

Latest one in term of efficiency. I still not sure if it lengthen battery life. I re-verify again yesterday that cap in parallel with battery reduce charge life but also reduce charge time.

When we should use steorn orbo, what is advantage of it ?

Unknown. Some believe it is more efficient than single winding. I still consider rodin, orbo as a possible way. The sure way is simple winding.

Have you ever try to charge cell phone batt., or 2 AA batt., i am charging just right now two AA batt. ...input 240 mA, output 300 mA...It is OU again, but it seems nobody is fascinated with it, it amazes me, is it so common thing that nobody even congratulated me (us, You first of all, of course) ???

Not everyone know what it means then .

For instance, your no discharging video should be more than enough to make anyone puzzled. I am surprise that no one seems to understand it.

To make everyone more convice, you need to show input voltage, input current, output voltage and output current. Then show the calculation of input power compared to output power. Your overunity video do not show that.

While getting more output current is rare, some people would ignore if it do not show voltage in and out.


So, make another video that show your output power is greater than input power. Maybe they will comment it for sure .

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Did you do a power conversion to (watts in - watts out).

If you have just say for example 12v at 100Ma = 1.2 watts input,
and 2.4v at 200Ma = 0.48 watts output. No OU .

But if input is 12v and output 12v and input Ma is less than output Ma you have OU.

I think Ohms law is relevent even though i'm not big on laws.

I can with my solar setup get more Amperes from caps to battery than from the panels to the caps without pulsing(eg steady flow state) but this is because the caps are a couple of volts above the battery.

My panels are rated at about 3.2 amperes at 17v I think (not sure exactly),
but if I connect them to a battery that is only 10v I get almost 4 amperes of current flow. Not exact but close to what I seen happen. No cigar for me though.

Having said that i'm not sure what your input voltage was as compared to output voltage, so I can't comment on your result. I'm a bit foggy today so maybe I missed something. If so sorry. I can't really do anything at the moment so i'm just trying to keep up with whats happening.

Cheers

Edit Sucahyo beat me to it .

[sucahyo]

You explain it better .

My panels are rated at about 3.2 amperes at 17v I think (not sure exactly), but if I connect them to a battery that is only 10v I get almost 4 amperes of current flow. Not exact but close to what I seen happen. No cigar for me though.

That is high amperage. If we use stingo to allow charging on any sun condition then that may take 8 stingo if each is 500mA ...

I wonder if stingo will work with mosfet replacing the NPN. Need more care not to make spark at output I think ..................

[cikljamas]

To make everyone more convice, you need to show input voltage, input current, output voltage and output current. Then show the calculation of input power compared to output power. Your overunity video do not show that.

While getting more output current is rare, some people would ignore if it do not show voltage in and out.


So, make another video that show your output power is greater than input power. Maybe they will comment it for sure .

Well, it seems i should have wattmeter, i must buy it one-one of these days...
But, i think it should be possible to measure V in and out, and A in and out
with 4 analog meters, but it is enigma to me how to measure output volts
when you connect battery on the output...

Did not we already talk about radiant energy as something that is very
hard to measure with certainty ? And if you have 12 V on the input
should we have doubts that stingo gives on the output less then 12 V
even with pots set to highest value (100 k for example) ?

For instance i just disconnected these 2 AA charging batt., and set pot.
of one of my three stingos to highest value to decrease imput current
as much as it is possible, and put meter on the output : 32 V...

But i guess it is not the right way of measuring again...
So, when i charge 12 V battery with 12 V battery and i got 60 % efficiency
( 350 mA input 200 mA output ) than it is 60 % for real because 12 V are
from the both sides, but if i just replace 12 V battery on the output with
3 V or 5 V battery and i got 240 mA on the input and 300 mA on the
output it does not represent OU ???
But, how come that we decrease voltage on the output just by replacing
charging 12 V battery with 3 or 5 V battery ?
Output voltage should not be dependent of voltage of charging battery,
if i do not touch the stingos, just replace the charging batteries, how
could i change the output voltage just by replacing charging batteries ?
It does not make sense to me, but it is possible that i just do not know
how this things work !
Maybe wattmeter would burst this bubble of dilemma right away, but
i am not sure if wattmeter could give exact values of output voltage too ?
So someone has to enlighten me again since my ignorance is so great !

Farmhand, thanks to you also for your help !!!

After all, it was not OU ??? Why dont you let me to believe it is ??? Joke !
But, i am going to hope just for a while that it is, until you explain me why
it could not be so !

[Farmhand]

I can with my solar setup get more Amperes from caps to battery than from the panels to the caps without pulsing(eg steady flow state) but this is because the caps are a couple of volts above the battery.

My panels are rated at about 3.2 amperes at 17v I think (not sure exactly),
but if I connect them to a battery that is only 10v I get almost 4 amperes of current flow. Not exact but close to what I seen happen. No cigar for me though.

Hi Sucahyo, That is when the oscillator is not running, eg. in continuous conduction. I dont run my oscillator staight from the panels in my setup, it is powered by my backup battery bank. I would need a few Stingo's to put 3.2 amps through maybe four.

With my solar setup when the oscillator is running the output is high frequency pulse on low frequency pulse, in a way, about 7.40m on the Circuit Video it shows me trying to adjust my old scope to show the ouput properly, but it can be seen. It seems to be good for reviving big batteries that are hard to get charge into. I think I just got another one online, so thats 3x640 cca batteries revived now, one to go.

I would like to try Stingo powered directly from a 5 watt panel, as the panel battery interface, not sure what would happen I imagine when the solar panel output goes above the max amp draw of the Stingo the voltage would then rise which would increase the amplitude of the spike, I think. Can't wait to try it.

But alas i'm still layed up probably a couple more days. My billy goat done a good job on me again ( I call him George B.) he's very destructive.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

But, how come that we decrease voltage on the output just by replacing
charging 12 V battery with 3 or 5 V battery ?

cikljamas, It is a common oversight it tricks me sometime's, to get a good idea just measure the input and output current the way you are then when your ready to make the calculations just measure the input and output voltages at that time, no need to measure them constantly.

Cheers

In my opinion it would be easier to measure OU possibility with a cap discharge on the output between the Stingo and battery. A battery will pull the output voltage down to the battery voltage.

[Farmhand]

I appologise for getting off topic, but we should be carefull if we put too much load on the back end of stingo this might happen to him.See attachment

Sorry couldn't resist.

[sucahyo]

but it is enigma to me how to measure output volts
when you connect battery on the output...

I think it is more unfair to measure voltage without load. That is my best choice.

Did not we already talk about radiant energy as something that is very hard to measure with certainty ?

Bedini show charging happen by the increase of voltage of the battery. But I agree that what we measure is just the conventional power.

Output voltage should not be dependent of voltage of charging battery,

Yes it is. When the battery gets full the impedance change. Stingo input power, output power and output voltage will change depend on load impedance.

Notice that the output current will increase when the battery gets full.

Maybe wattmeter would burst this bubble of dilemma right away,

You need a load too in watt meter....

Yes, I am aware of problem measuring the COP this way. But I think we can figure out at least how much the current that goes to the battery. Where the charging voltage must be higher than the battery voltage or else it can not charge the battery.



How about this:
use amp meter as load and then measure the voltage at the amp meter. Would this be more accurate method of measuring output power?

Hi Sucahyo, That is when the oscillator is not running, eg. in continuous conduction. I dont run my oscillator staight from the panels in my setup, it is powered by my backup battery bank. I would need a few Stingo's to put 3.2 amps through maybe four.

With my solar setup when the oscillator is running the output is high frequency pulse on low frequency pulse, in a way, about 7.40m on the Circuit Video it shows me trying to adjust my old scope to show the ouput properly, but it can be seen. It seems to be good for reviving big batteries that are hard to get charge into. I think I just got another one online, so thats 3x640 cca batteries revived now, one to go.

I would like to try Stingo powered directly from a 5 watt panel, as the panel battery interface, not sure what would happen I imagine when the solar panel output goes above the max amp draw of the Stingo the voltage would then rise which would increase the amplitude of the spike, I think. Can't wait to try it.

But alas i'm still layed up probably a couple more days. My billy goat done a good job on me again ( I call him George B.) he's very destructive.

Thanks.

I don't know about recovery, but I have observe longer life and cool charging with stingo.

I will look forward for your result. To tell the truth, I somehow believe that stingo as sleeping aid can calm the goat. Would love to see its effect to the goat too .... I currently in hot debate in a group about a health device because I doubt if it can calm people or really have good effect on long term.

I appologise for getting off topic, but we should be carefull if we put too much load on the back end of stingo this might happen to him.See attachment

Lol, that is accurate though . Overloaded stingo will lift the load from the source .....

[7imix]

30khz stingo

I wound a new toroid today. It's about 15 feet of 22 awg wire around a ferrite toroid about 0.6 inches in diameter.

I got a very interesting waveform where the impulse wave was causing an oscillating wave, but only at a very specific tuning.

I was able to get the toroid to oscillate at 30khz, which I think is a record for me with the stingo.

YouTube - Stingo toroid

[Farmhand]

7imix, that waveform does look interesting, I can get 20khz reliably with mine and its still on the solderless board But my waveform is AC where do you place your scope probe and ground? And do you have a load connected, for recovery I mean ? Thats impressive, a quite straight up and down trace there at 14 khz I think it was. I will watch it again more closely.

Cheers

Looks like up to 18 khz quite straight.

[Godfrey]

Measuring output

Wow, happy that this thread is so lively and hoping to have more time to catch up. Great work all!

Bedini show charging happen by the increase of voltage of the battery. But I agree that what we measure is just the conventional power.

Batteries are not as straight forward in how they take energy. But how 'bout measuring input current and timing how long it takes to charge a capacitor with well known capacity to a certain voltage? Then just do the math to figure out total wattage?

- Godfrey

[Guruji]

stingocharger

Can you define basic? If it is for charging then use this circuit bellow without the part at the left of the coil, and replace it with one diode:


For sparking experiment, remove the 500K and 100K part.

Hi Sucahyo so for charging like this schematic to be sure?.
Thanks

[7imix]

7imix, that waveform does look interesting, I can get 20khz reliably with mine and its still on the solderless board But my waveform is AC where do you place your scope probe and ground? And do you have a load connected, for recovery I mean ? Thats impressive, a quite straight up and down trace there at 14 khz I think it was. I will watch it again more closely.

Cheers

Looks like up to 18 khz quite straight.

I am not driving a load, although I do have a neon bulb across it and the spikes appear to be high enough voltage, I do not observe the neon lighting.

I actually observe it going up to 28khz in the video. I was also able to observe 30khz but could not get it on video. What are the details of your coil's construction?

I measure the output across the two sides of the coil, with the probe leads reversed from the current direction of the rest of the circuit. Where do you measure and see a sin wave? That's interesting.