The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

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Study Guide Query for this Thread

If anyone is interested, I think we should assemble a study guide for this thread and the other two accompanying threads, Gray Replication & Stan Meyers Secret Preventing Electrolysis. Anyway, if someone wants to be part of this they will need to help with the process. There are a lot of loose ends that need to be brought together and a whole lot of material that needs to be studied and summarized in a short brief. This will be a much easier task if it is a group effort. Is anyone else interested in doing this?

[lamare]

The dielectric is why the field can be established. It is why there is motion and it is why energy propagates. It isn't disappearing anywhere. [...] If the Vacuum was leeching energy from the field then the night would truely be black.

That is also what Turtur is saying, eventually. He calculates that the electric field looses energy during propagation. Of course that is not dissapearing, it is converted to some other form of energy. And since charge carriers emit static electric field energy, that energy must come from somewhere.

So, in essence: the propagating field looses energy to the dielectric, the charge carriers take energy from the dielectric and emit that in the form of an electric field. So, it's a zero sum game eventually.

However, to me the most important conclusion is: the electric field *is* an energy source one can utilize.

[Jbignes5]

No it is all about the total of the network once it is established to carry the potential from the center to the outer radia. It has nothing to do with a mysterious anything. If one did not know about the dielectric that forms our space once would make errors just like this.
The dielectric is why the field can be established. It is why there is motion and it is why energy propagates. It isn't disappearing anywhere. If that was the case then this whole universe would be slowing down and we all know now that it isn't. In fact it seems to be gaining potential like a run away train. As it moves from material or matter to the the outer radia it is not being destroyed or diverted to an imaginairy realm. It leeches into the back ground charge level thru the balance mechanism of the natural process. This event raises the basic charge level across the board and hence why we are speeding up. Although this adding is like a raindrop to the vast sea in which we float, it would take forever or seem like forever to get any appreciable measurement. Like on the order of millions of years.
If the Vacuum was leeching energy from the field then the night would truely be black. The vacuum is only the base of the energy of the universe. It's base charge. The natural energy that nature uses to perform her tricks of the trade. It is nothing but the lowest potential of it all. That base of course changes as the universe gains potential. A sliding scale if you would. True negative in other words. But there is no negative. Negative in the static realm is only a direction of attraction and not charge value. Static is always positive and then within reference to two points attains direction of flow via the comparrison of those points, a geometric result.
If this concept was not true then Tesla was completely wrong for which I hardly believe. I truely believe Tesla knew more about this then anyone in our whole history.

[lamare]

Turtur pdf : http://www.wbabin.net/physics/turtur1e.pdf Figure 4.

The weakening of the field is because it halves as it travels due to dispursion of the field going out from the center. This halving is a natural phenomina. Geometry (radius diffraction of the field) is what causes the weakening of just two references. Like point a: inner radia and point b: outer radia. when they are compared it seems that the field is weakening but if we take multiple reading on the outside it would actually add up to the whole.
If this field is actually what happens for example in a carona discharge then the file would behave much like a Tesla device radiating in a branching fashion.

I think if you didn't know that there is a dielectric sea in which everything resides and is motivated by the static potential of charges to form connections one would always miss the target. This sea has density and it is what gives the void separation or a way to reference one point in space to another like Tesla found out and have a difference between those two points. Otherwise it would all be one value and nothing would move at all.
Turtur gives it a good shot at understanding this concept but forgets a few key components to flesh it out fully.

This is what Turtur says in the same document:

the amount of energy within the outer shell should be the same as the amount of energy within the inner shell. We want to check this and we will find that this is not the case.

And that is what this is all about. It is not about the weakening of the field strength due to the propagation. That is totally what you expect. What you don't expect is that energy is being lost to the vacuum! In other words: it should "add up to the whole" but it doesn't!!!

[Jbignes5]

Could you check this out.

Turtur pdf : http://www.wbabin.net/physics/turtur1e.pdf Figure 4.

The weakening of the field is because it halves as it travels due to dispursion of the field going out from the center. This halving is a natural phenomina. Geometry (radius diffraction of the field) is what causes the weakening of just two references. Like point a: inner radia and point b: outer radia. when they are compared it seems that the field is weakening but if we take multiple reading on the outside it would actually add up to the whole.
If this field is actually what happens for example in a carona discharge then the file would behave much like a Tesla device radiating in a branching fashion.

I think if you didn't know that there is a dielectric sea in which everything resides and is motivated by the static potential of charges to form connections one would always miss the target. This sea has density and it is what gives the void separation or a way to reference one point in space to another like Tesla found out and have a difference between those two points. Otherwise it would all be one value and nothing would move at all.
Turtur gives it a good shot at understanding this concept but forgets a few key components to flesh it out fully.

[lamare]

Some food for thought:

Sheldan Nidle: Galactic Federation Update [08/26/2008] | GalacticMessages.com

You see, this universe it quite unlike what your cosmologists picture it to be. Rather, it is a living holographic image composed of endless Love and the infinite Light emanating from the Creator. It is under the directives, or divine decrees, of the divine plan. It is what generates matter, and it forges itself into the immense miracles that are physicality. When you realize this you can see why only a spiritual science matters; the rest is mere educated speculation.

When you traverse this galaxy you observe phenomena that are beyond belief! We give many of the most beautiful objects names which seem to correspond to what they are. We look forward to seeing what your experiences will be and what you will name them. The divine forces acting in physicality arise from electro-holograms forged by the Divine. As you begin to learn about this you can see how interdimensional energies constantly interact according to the divine plan. You discover how rotation creates vortexes; then you perceive that these vortexes come together based on the energy of mutual attraction shaped by these attractors. Gravity is another force formed out of these attractions and becomes something beyond the relativity theories of your Einstein or the mechanistic formulae of your Newton. It takes on the essential electrical and holographic nature of physicality. We replicate these phenomena in our propulsion systems and in the teleporters found aboard our ships.

What your science is starting to discover is that most of the anomalies that are punching holes in their respective areas of science are guides to a science of consciousness. This is leading to a paradigm that takes the nature of consciousness into account. In effect, your science is back in the time of Newton, figuratively speaking. Too much in too many fields of science no longer makes senseconfused world of subatomic physics, and even the mumbo-jumbo realm that is genetics. Out of this confusion are arising the preliminaries for a new science that is much like our own. Our science goes beyond your present knowledge and is predicated on a true concept of consciousness.

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Gray Replication
Stan Meyers Secret Preventing Electrolysis
Ultimate Secret of Free Energy Split the Positive & Negative

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Thanks Lamare for sharing this information.

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[lamare]

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[Jbignes5]

If you ask me, with Bedini's stuff you get a polarized dielectric inside your battery. I first thought that was also what Meyer was doing, because there were some references that the tubes had to be coated. I started an article over at peswiki about this, which we called "the electret effect", but things went into another direction, so I moved that stuff into the new article and never got to work this part out.

However, if you're interested, there are still a lot of links and quotes to the relevant discussions here, as well as lots of references about this. If you want to go this way, then you will have to study electrolytic capacitors.

So, if you want to investigate my ideas about this, you can start here and find your way:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update: you may want to start with these:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ions-dmr07.pdf http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ons2-dmr08.pdf
"High Voltage impulse charging as prescribed by John Bedini has been seen to charge a battery cell in a different physical manner."
First article also available at: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/OTG...0-%20DMR07.pdf

Dave Michael Rogers experimented with "batteries" in a laboratory setup. Very interesting.

First time I read this, I didn't really get it. You know, what's a "Plante cell"? Someone biologist having fun? Turns out it was the name of the guy who invented the lead acid battery.

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

I don't want to go any way. I was trying to explain what I saw as being the same in each case. Gray happened to use air as the conductor medium as well. Since it was better available for that application of his motor.
Water is a medium that is very very rich in the conductors that transmit energy. So you could statically attract the base charges of the water twords the electrode much the same way Dr. Stiffler did. You get disassociation of the water for no price. Meaning it is a result of attracting the base charges that bind it together because the water has a density and doesn't move so fast. Kinda like pulling the table cloth out from under a whole china set that was setup on the table. Done right it seems that the china hasn't moved at all. All one would need to do is setup a standing charge on the inner tube and variate that charge super fast. The outer tube should be a static shield with no connection to ground. I have seen some very interesting videos of the joe cell that might just be proof of that concept. All for the price of a single charging of the inner tube If I am not mistaken. I'll have to look at them again.

[Slovenia]

Link

Michelinho Thanks for sharing the link.

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Your Welcome Lamare

Thank you, you are very welcome Lamare!!

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

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Your Welcome

Thanks for your appreciation!! You are very welcome!!

Thanks Slovenia.