Donald Smith Devices too good to be true

[ilandtan]

Hi ilandtan,
As you have noted your experience with these types of photocopiers, I am going to tread carefully! I think I am correct in stating than the drums used in photocopiers were coated while rotating and also charged with a drum covered in fine needles - But that charging technique might have been a Xerox propriety feature. At the point of light the charged particles become electrified and the dark ares become none active. On some machines the drum or plate is recoated, on some others cooked plated were just recharged.. I think the point I am getting to is Se when fixed "cooked" to a plate, during daylight, the Se is active. At nighttime, it is my understanding that the Se is UV sensitive only, thereby, providing an energy source 24/7 as a collector material. I would suppose, and have not found the reverse opportunity of using an alternative method other than light or UV to get the Se to operate in its own electric zone. Would an electric charge be enough to activate the Se as an alternative to light? I have ordered some Se for experimentation in the new year!! I would think Don would have passed through this information at some time? I shall Suck it and see.

Regards

Dwane

You don't have to tread that lightly, I only fixed them, and did not design them.

I could however offer that the Bias voltage was a key adjustment, as the corona would could only charge the SE surface to a certain point, because the halogen lamps only had a certain level of light for neutralization; allowing the toner (powdered plastic) to statically adhere to the drum. Which had to be pulled off the drum on to the paper by the transfer corona.

That being said, I don't know the foundation of your experiment. I am trying to understand the magnitude.

It might be that UV is present 24/7, but how much energy is that?

[Dwane]

The older copy machines had a aluminum drum covered with selenium.

Hi ilandtan,
As you have noted your experience with these types of photocopiers, I am going to tread carefully! I think I am correct in stating than the drums used in photocopiers were coated while rotating and also charged with a drum covered in fine needles - But that charging technique might have been a Xerox propriety feature. At the point of light the charged particles become electrified and the dark ares become none active. On some machines the drum or plate is recoated, on some others cooked plated were just recharged.. I think the point I am getting to is Se when fixed "cooked" to a plate, during daylight, the Se is active. At nighttime, it is my understanding that the Se is UV sensitive only, thereby, providing an energy source 24/7 as a collector material. I would suppose, and have not found the reverse opportunity of using an alternative method other than light or UV to get the Se to operate in its own electric zone. Would an electric charge be enough to activate the Se as an alternative to light? I have ordered some Se for experimentation in the new year!! I would think Don would have passed through this information at some time? I shall Suck it and see.

Regards

Dwane

[ilandtan]

Hi guys,
Returning to a comment I made in a previous post, it might be that Tesla's Antenna system of harvesting atmospheric energy might just be the use of amorphous selenium on a receiver plate. Not such a difficult process to work with for use of experimentation. Could be cheaper than PV cells and operates 24/7!! Check health hazards!!

Regards

Dwane

The older copy machines had a aluminum drum covered with selenium.

[Dwane]

Hi guys,
Returning to a comment I made in a previous post, it might be that Tesla's Antenna system of harvesting atmospheric energy might just be the use of amorphous selenium on a receiver plate. Not such a difficult process to work with for use of experimentation. Could be cheaper than PV cells and operates 24/7!! Check health hazards!!

Regards

Dwane

[Dwane]

SLayer

Hi guys,
Have been building a couple of coils for my corona experiment. Have been using the Slayer circuit. As soon as I go over 13 or so volts, I seem to lose the transistor. I think I am getting spike from L2 coil into base collector junction. This is happening on both orientations of circuit npn or pnp. What I have noticed is that the hight the frequency you can work with, using the ferrite pick up coil, the greater the output to the LED gloges. Only a small thing, but, a small success story!! Am awaiting some bits for the second stage using wireless with the Slayer. I have also seen a double Slayer on Youtube from a mr Speigel.

Having to buy another NST as the last one I had has failed when I set it up today. Another $50!

I like the notion of isolating the various key messages from other developers'. Try to establish a common connection or relationship.

Regards

Dwane

[ilandtan]

How did Don Smith keep the charge up in a capacitor? I seem to remember you explaining how Don used the displacement current or something to quickly charge a capacitor.

[ilandtan]

disruptive discharge
keep resonance
recreating the lightning
splitting the positive
(Tom Bearden) don't kill the dipole
ring twice
some tips from Steven Mark and his stories
and many others
Figuera mentioned that it's like the egg's of Columbus
Kapanadze : so simple you would laugh
watch Dragon's Den with Richard Willis


how much help you need ? isn't that enough ?

Enough? Never, even if I have a success. It's better than worrying about how ****ty this existence really is. It kills the pain.

I kind of understand the keep the resonance business, which I didn't expect in my Slayer circuits, I found out that different lengths of connecting leads changed my system output performance. Changing my power leads to the breadboard reduced my output by 25%.

So I eventually based my L1 to match the length of all my gator jumpers, I think that's why I can light 15W LED using only 6W of input power.

I have a vision of an end device that beats like a heart, vibrates to rhythms of it's itself and a part of the whole body of Earth.

Thanks for the help. I just don't have all those allusions available to cross reference by memory; but I got google. I will digest them and try to move my baby steps forward.

I did make progress today as I was able to regulate the output of my L3 with a 12V zener, so I know I can provide a feedback circuit with regulated DC.

[boguslaw]

and here https://overunity.com/15395/partnere...e-energy/7920/

[boguslaw]

disruptive discharge
keep resonance
recreating the lightning
splitting the positive
(Tom Bearden) don't kill the dipole
ring twice
some tips from Steven Mark and his stories
and many others
Figuera mentioned that it's like the egg's of Columbus
Kapanadze : so simple you would laugh
watch Dragon's Den with Richard Willis


how much help you need ? isn't that enough ?

[boguslaw]

When you know the destination, any map of the area reveals one or maybe multiple paths to the destination. When you don't know where the destination is, a map is just piece of paper.

Point the way.

One of my core tenants in making a working device is using feedback. That's why I liked your suggestion of parametric feedback. I don't know quite how to do that with electronics, but if I put feedback in terms of the Kacher/Slayer, I figure this. I can drive a (L1)primary to resonate with the (L2)secondary to cause radiation. I can harvest that radiation in a tuned (L3)coil, and drive a load such that (L1)primary doesn't see the load. If this is true it's easy to stack slayer primaries to boost the output, you simply create another (L1')primary driver circuit and share the feedback from the (L2)secondary coil.

I should be able to drive that (L1')primary solely with the (L3) harvested.

My theory since it's feedback, it should build my power output, which I can limit with GDT or Varistor.

What do you think? The advantage is the feedback should be amplifying the resonating pulses?

Big YES. You are almost there if you understand what I said : all those cryptic tips are pointing to do deep research in area. Like "keep resonance" by Tariel Kapanadze - you must immediately recall Tesla who did the same and explained in his interview. He had however a big problem - to obtain COP>1 he needed a circuit controller capable of doing disruptive discharge. You know what - that's exactly the same problem we have today ! That's also exactly what Don Smith never said. You never got overunity without magnetic diode ;-) so you see that small sentence contain very dense knowledge

[ilandtan]

Again, do a simple mind experiment : take all curious statements from various famous inventors you can find , write on pieces of paper and combine on desk table. In those words are hidden more then one methods of extracting energy from Earth. That's quite interesting - every famous inventor was trying to say us something, almost like a conspiracy theory,don't you think?

When you know the destination, any map of the area reveals one or maybe multiple paths to the destination. When you don't know where the destination is, a map is just piece of paper.

Point the way.

One of my core tenants in making a working device is using feedback. That's why I liked your suggestion of parametric feedback. I don't know quite how to do that with electronics, but if I put feedback in terms of the Kacher/Slayer, I figure this. I can drive a (L1)primary to resonate with the (L2)secondary to cause radiation. I can harvest that radiation in a tuned (L3)coil, and drive a load such that (L1)primary doesn't see the load. If this is true it's easy to stack slayer primaries to boost the output, you simply create another (L1')primary driver circuit and share the feedback from the (L2)secondary coil.

I should be able to drive that (L1')primary solely with the (L3) harvested.

My theory since it's feedback, it should build my power output, which I can limit with GDT or Varistor.

What do you think? The advantage is the feedback should be amplifying the resonating pulses?

[boguslaw]

Again, do a simple mind experiment : take all curious statements from various famous inventors you can find , write on pieces of paper and combine on desk table. In those words are hidden more then one methods of extracting energy from Earth. That's quite interesting - every famous inventor was trying to say us something, almost like a conspiracy theory,don't you think?

[ilandtan]

Hi ilandtan,

Thanks for the explanation.

I see you are believing everything Don Smith says.
That's good because this IS a Don Smith thread.
From what I gather from your postings,you are concentrating
more on the output side rather than the input, which is different.

My reasoning for using resonance is my read of his
"AIR CORE INDUCTION COIL BUILDERS GUIDE" and
Kapanadze also uses a similiar device and he says "it's all about resonance"

I appreciate all the time and effort you are spending on this thread
and hope you continue on in your own direction and I will do the same in mine.
Hopefully one of us might suceed. Good Luck!

Thank You for hanging in there, if you find you were able to produce overunity from the input. The kind that can power your house. Please let me know. I am a student here.

I have done some experimentation on the L1/L2 side. I believe I can show signs that you can harvest input resonance; more than what you put in. Please look HERE and other videos in my channel.

I just can't do it how DS uses a Laser module and pulls out multiple kWatts.

If I knew how to power my house, I wouldn't be here . I would be building a self sustaining pyramid house somewhere (maybe the Keys).

[Elcheapo]

Hi El,

Let me give you DS references that changed my opinion, because like you I believed the key was resonant L1/L2.

Look at this well used Don Smith schematic (See Attachment).

Take Note of this:

"3. High Voltage Module. Constituting the L-1 and L-2 coils."

Postulation: We already have the provided excitation to HV. Your need for additional resonant coils are included in this schematic as L3 and L4; Listed as 6 and 7 respectively.

Which amazingly enough.... is thrown off the chuck wagon by this Don Smith reference to the schematic.



Conclusion: You don't need an L1/L2 Tesla coil to make a Don Smith device. He shows us by making devices devoid of them. He tells us to remove them and you'll still have what you need.

What that something is, whether it's neutrinos, or pixie dust... I can't say.

The 1994 lecture was very telling, as he also says he doesn't need a spark gap, to force resonance.

Hi ilandtan,

Thanks for the explanation.

I see you are believing everything Don Smith says.
That's good because this IS a Don Smith thread.
From what I gather from your postings,you are concentrating
more on the output side rather than the input, which is different.

My reasoning for using resonance is my read of his
"AIR CORE INDUCTION COIL BUILDERS GUIDE" and
Kapanadze also uses a similiar device and he says "it's all about resonance"

I appreciate all the time and effort you are spending on this thread
and hope you continue on in your own direction and I will do the same in mine.
Hopefully one of us might suceed. Good Luck!

[ilandtan]

ilandtan,

All I'm saying is that resonant circuits are the most practical and efficient way of obtaining the HV that we need.

Everyone has a different idea as to how this system is supposed to work.

Hi El,

Let me give you DS references that changed my opinion, because like you I believed the key was resonant L1/L2.

Look at this well used Don Smith schematic (See Attachment).

Take Note of this:

"3. High Voltage Module. Constituting the L-1 and L-2 coils."

Postulation: We already have the provided excitation to HV. Your need for additional resonant coils are included in this schematic as L3 and L4; Listed as 6 and 7 respectively.

Which amazingly enough.... is thrown off the chuck wagon by this Don Smith reference to the schematic.

Don Smith: Bruce, Wipe out 6, 7 and 8 and connect the diode bridge where #6 was. Number one is a tritium battery with half life of 11 years, small size. The output appears to be pulsating DC but is actually high frequency which explains the ill matched light bulbs. Regards, DS
08-02-2004

Conclusion: You don't need an L1/L2 Tesla coil to make a Don Smith device. He shows us by making devices devoid of them. He tells us to remove them and you'll still have what you need.

What that something is, whether it's neutrinos, or pixie dust... I can't say.

The 1994 lecture was very telling, as he also says he doesn't need a spark gap, to force resonance.