Gray Tube Replication

[Aaron]

@Geotron

What would happen is that having the coil on the pickup rod would
require that the output be sent straight to ground. It could not
even touch the inverter battery after going through the motor coil
without throwing an error on the inverter.

With the motor on the LV side I'm seeing that it will run quite
well, picking up speed and throwing off an equal amount of recovery
on the fw-bridge as compared to before. One difference is that
while starting up or at low speed it will intermittently hit the reed
trigger, revolve almost all the way around and then switch direction.
Hasn't posed much of a problem, but never occurred before.

It seems that you are trying to "close the loop" before getting it to
just run right and just work out the bugs. Until you do, I think working
with any kind of recovery is premature - just my opinion - it's your
build so of course, by all means, do what you're inspired to do.

There are ways to send the recovery to anywhere you want without
any of those places every seeing each other. I won't elaborate on that
at the moment, but you are assuming the typical recovery method being
used now must be used.

Depending on the entire circuit being accounted for, your recovery could
eliminate any need to consume power for the cap being charged that is
discharged into the primary of the ignition coil for example. Again, I think
it is premature to jump the gun and try to recover energy and feed it to
places you think it needs feeding to without just making it run right,
consistent and without any bugs to learn from it first. Otherwise, I think
you'll be missing out on quite a bit that most people will never understand
unless they are doing what you're doing.

What would happen is that having the coil on the pickup rod would
require that the output be sent straight to ground. It could not
even touch the inverter battery after going through the motor coil
without throwing an error on the inverter.

With the motor on the LV side I'm seeing that it will run quite
well, picking up speed and throwing off an equal amount of recovery
on the fw-bridge as compared to before. One difference is that
while starting up or at low speed it will intermittently hit the reed
trigger, revolve almost all the way around and then switch direction.
Hasn't posed much of a problem, but never occurred before.

With the top half of the motor only a single wind, I was thinking about
giving it a second layer wound on top of the first instead of side by
side in order to simplify obtaining another recovery coil, although
cannot speculate as to how this might effect its performace.

Beyond that what I'd like to build onto this is some kind of bifilar
wound alternator that would spin up attached onto the driveshaft, or
perhaps work by itself as a standalone motor. I've got a whole pile
of old AA batteries waiting to be removed of their carbon rods and spun
into a fresh new purpose; its just a matter of figuring out a useful
way to rig them up for winding... and a proper way to dispose of the
crud that will be stripped off.

[Aaron]

@Geotron

Geotron,

What was wrong with the coil on the other side of the gap?



The way you showed in your last post, you are not mixing the hv and high
current in the inductor.

almost there

This is substantially different energy emitting from the LV side
electrode. I've reworked my system to reflect the following diagram,
and while normally sending the motor output to the battery will
cause a system shutdown... this does not.

I've been doing a few runs with it, and after each time the battery
will return to the same value when everything is turned off.

Please if I am not correctly sending the recovery back or am doing so
in a non-standard or inefficient way let me know - I certainly do not
claim to know exactly what I'm doing yet.

Was around 20V I think on the variac into mot into 1KV 15uf LV.

Temporarily displaced my USB devices, had to replug them all in.

unknown event

There's another development.... this one has a different look to it
guys. All the way around everything in order to cross the gap is how
it is setup. The coil input is the LV side Anode, exiting the coil
would take a path into the diode bank. [ video ]

recovery idea

I've just had a thought.... When the output of the tube is
first going through the motor coil and then out to ground, any contact
with the battery powering the inverter will cause it to shut down
with a voltage warning.

When the output of the tube goes directly to the (+) battery post,
out through the (-) post to ground on the battery powering the inverter,
there is no warning and the system runs. I'll be finding out whether
this effect can be used repeatedly to charge the battery.

Now the thought I was struck with - In light of these findings, why not
first send the output of the tube into the (+) bat, out the (-) side
and then on to the motor coil to ground? I've not yet implemented it,
so do not wish to predict whether it would shut down the inverter.

I've been seeing some different results lately - the 5uF recovery bank
is now only charging up to around 300V for some reason in the same
configuration as shown in the video with one or both sides of the motor
connected to drive the magnets. I've checked the coils for continuity
and they are fine - its something else that has changed.

When the cathode side of the recovery bridge is connected to ground
with only one half of the motor connected all is well, although it still
does not nearly show the same amount of recovery.

When both sides of the motor are running and the recovery bridge cathode
is on ground, it somehow deactivates the system from generating a burst
on the rods and driving the motor.

In my attempt to reconfigure the recovery circuit as previously shown, I'm
thinking it might have somehow damaged the ability of these capacitors to
hold a charge.

The following pic shows how I have secured the magnets together with
metal strip and fencing wire. They are tightened very well, although
it seems to have reduced the top speed of the motor.

While it still seems have a great amount of force on the driveshaft,
it is not yet enough to spin the sewing machine motor up. It is rated
at 120v .62A, so even being at full speed I'm seeing that it would not
be nearly enough to positively offset the drain on the battery.

The last experiment attemping to drive this 120v motor from the one I
built was drawing around 175W from the inverter with a 1KV 15uF cap bank
on the LV side, so a method of recovery which may be used to produce an
overunity system is still beyond my grasp.


geotron

Additional measurements -

Inductance of the bifilar coil primary is about equal to the secondary
at 270-272mH. It wavers down to 250 then returns.

It measures at 5.07uF.

In the process of winding the original 30g half side of the motor, the
one singly-wound, part of the jig was a 120v sewing machine motor that
didn't really turn out to be so useful with such a small guage getting
it wound as accurately as possible. With this bifilar one I didn't use
it at all, but was thinking that it may now prove useful for capturing
some mechanical output mounted onto the grey motor brick.

I've got to cut new threaded rods for fitting the top part of the motor
on, so the singly-wound coil from before will fit until I get the other
bifilar one finished.

Currently measured on the LV side I've got 1KV 10.14uF with two rows
of the 250v 22uF caps, and there are enough of them left to match this
value on the recovery side.

Also the timing is now figured out with a reed switch trigger.

[Aaron]

recovery cap

Geotron,

What is the capacitance of that 1kv recovery cap?

The feeling I had about the charger circuit was non founded - the fullwave
bridge as seen in the video is most efficient.

Aaron - I've seen how your plasma ignitor will explode water, and if you
may remember I've shown how a saltwater leyden jar reacts to this energy,
although what about combining them in the presence of water?

By this I mean electrolysing with a fresh stream of bursts from the copper
pickup serving to act as the reciever of this radiant energy.

While a greater amount of energy seems to be captured into the four capacitors
on the secondary, when they are connected onto the running battery there is
seen a charging effect although the voltage will steadily decrease.

It may be I'm going about it incorrectly; the (+) battery is on the charger
cap anode, the (-) to the (-). The LV side caps are matched with the charger
caps... two rows connected in parallel of four 250v 22uf for 1KV on each.

Could it be thought that once the second half of the motor is in place that
the efficiency of the system will increase possibly to the point where the
overunity effect may be observed?

My guess was that the single bifilar winding would enable this, due to the
inductive magnification of energy. Perhaps it is that the bEMF is not being
harnessed by this charging circuit correctly.

I've got a feeling it isn't, and have an idea that the following
may represent a method of recovery more suitable for this endeavor.
After all, these neo magnets have around 50lbs of flux apeice; I'd
think that if all the EMF was being captured it would send the
batteries soaring.




[ Daftman's Newman Motor Experiment - Single motor coil Vs Dual ]

With a bifilar coil it is now showing around 158ohms on each of the
them with two similar 30g 1600ft spools. In order to verify the concept
of Energy Conversion caused by this repulsion effect initiated by the
HV plasma ignition onto the positively charged anode pole of a diode
capable of fully blocking the voltage emitted at it, whereupon it initiates
a cascade of energy through the HV plasma carrier onto Ground, the following
is a representation of what has now been captured for viewing online.

[Aaron]

recovery / audio

1:1 is what I used for most of my tests. Mine actually most used
trifilars.

If you can post with sound, it will add so much more to the presentation!