Electric Motor Secrets

[Eric]

You guys were just starting to get somewhere and now it's stalled......what gives?

Carl

um some of us are most likely just quietly working away on our own models when we have time (not at a job). if you have been around discussion groups for any length of time you will find that its too easy to get distracted "reading stuff" instead of "doing stuff". that said.... if you think the thread has gone dry then by all means post some information on an attraction motor your building and if in building your motor you run into challenges and have questions then by all means post them! earlier i said i was going to post some videos but that going to take a bit longer as again i would have to stop working on my motors! in order to figure out which clips are good and which clips are garbage, then further cut and shrink the file sizes so i dont have to upload 4 gigs!! lol
i have 2 running versions so far.. the third version will be my first bifilar winding on a larger, about 1/2hp to 1hp (pressure washer) motor. its almost done, and i have all the supplies to begin learning to accurately measure with a de prony brake. the 4th and more challenging motor i am working on is a modified ceiling fan motor, if that one works the way i think it will it should be very interesting. i will upload a summary video when i have finished these 4 motors.

but right now i am hitting a road block so far i have been useing the existing rotors in a modified form while trying to find a place to buy the right kinds of materials to build new rotors with.... this has been quite vexing, i am looking for sheet material to make laminations from. i have googled various terms for motor/transformer laminations and it seems theres a much bigger variety metal than i thought. commonly called "electrical steel" but a whole slew grade terminalogy. a local metal fab shop in town with a laser cutter has sheets of astm a36 cold rolled steel which is not considered "electrical steel" and other companies i talked to on the net have told me they think a rotor made with that kind of metal would get really hot! i called a local metal supplier to talk to there metalurgist about it but he didnt know anything about the magnetic reactions of diferent grades of steel!! so he wasnt very helpful. the best information i found so far came from, national material company Home and (various other companies refered me to) tempel steel Tempel Steel. both companies dont generaly sell to the retail market so a minimum purchase is set at around $500... yikes! to peter... i noticed in the dvd you refered to something called solectron laminations?? but i came up dry when trying to google that. can anyone give me some advise on how to select a "good enough" material and where i can buy it without needing to buy gobs of it? or if i do need to buy a whole bunch all at once i dont mind.. i have a variety of "from scratch ideas" but... i would at least like to know i am buying a type of material that wont completely fail on me by holding on to its magnetic field too long!!

any help would be much appreciated!!!
Eric

[hh1341]

You guys were just starting to get somewhere and now it's stalled......what gives?

Carl

[Aaron]

gravity motor

I have no idea if that is legit or not. I looks interesting as many things do.

However, seeing that I have never seen a successful build on youtube or anywhere else, all I can assume is there is 100% failure rate. Surely at least one person would like to show how easy a gravity motor is to make.

One thing that is very interested and is legit is the concept in the patent that Mike posted. It is interesting the conceptually it works as people who have build Peter's version had experienced. What is more interesting is that there appears to be no patent yet. Not because it doesn't work probably but because the explanation of how it works isn't appreciated.

[vegasscorpion]

since you brought it up

Hi Aaron,
Is this gravity motor BS too? Thanks

[Aaron]

plans

Mike,

There are a lot of powerful concepts with HV electromagnetics, but what these guys are doing is far from what Gray did.

Also, over the years of them selling their plans, I have yet to see anyone get over 1.0 cop on anything they claim. Especially, their oil/drum heater.

[sinergicus]

Ideas for improving Peter Lindemann device

Hi Peter hi guys thanks for sharing complet US US2004212257A1 patent.

Peter,I don't have your knowledge and experience in working with motors but I have some ideas about how can be improved the eficiency of your motor.I will put here here my ideas so please analyse and judge them.

I bought some times ago free energy plans from FuellessPower.com .I found in their packages an intresting free energy motor that usess hy voltage electromagnets combined with hy voltage capacitors to obtain free energy.These guys used Edwin Gray and Newman work to make an simple and hy eficiency free energy motor.Seems,the hy voltage electromagnets combined with hy voltage capacitor ,will give a very very powerfull electromagnetic field with very very low electricall curent comsumption.If you will implement in your motor their ideas .using the power of HV electromagnets ,maybe your motor will work in high eficiency.



Anyway these guys are very selfish,I don't like them.They are seling some plans that you can find free of charge on the internet.Some of their free energy plans what they are selling,is others modified and improved ideas .

On the other hand,, I found interesting stuff in their plans about I didn't know heretofore.
I don't now if this free energy motor about I told you,is working how they are claiming;I didn't take time to construct and test it;maybe in the near future...

Anyway,I put this plan here for you and other guys to study ,replicate or using some ideas from it.

NOTE:I take all responsability on my self for this share....

Regards
Mike

[aladinlamp]

To all interested:

Below the remaining attachments for the "Free Energy Motor" Patent Application

It appears this Patent Application was either rejected or abandoned.

All in one, savable, printable

[Gator]

Full Patent Application for "Free Energy Motor" Part 2

To all interested:

Below the remaining attachments for the "Free Energy Motor" Patent Application

It appears this Patent Application was either rejected or abandoned.

[Gator]

Full Patent Application for "Free Energy Motor" Part 1

To all interested:

Below are the attachments for the "Free Energy Motor" Patent Application

[Peter Lindemann]

There it is!

Hi guys;I don't have knowledge and practicall experiences like you but anyway I am pasionate in free energy things;I am newbie in this kind of stuff;I learning from you and from others.

So,here I found an interesting patent ,similar with Peter Lindeman motor principle

esp@cenet document view

I hope this will be helpfull and give you some ideas for improving your work.

Mike

Mike,

Awesome find! I looked up the root document in the US Patent system. The Patent Application cover sheet is there, but not the full patent. A search on the inventor's name does not bring up any issued patents that I could find in the first 10 minutes of trying.

This is the motor I am talking about. He doesn't say "no back EMF" but he definitely says the motor does not generate any electricity, and therefore can reach enormous speeds. I didn't see any provision for recapturing the inductive collapse in the abstract, but it has the same physical characteristics as the motors I am proposing.

Apparently, its time for this info to get out!!!

Thanks for finding this and posting it to the forum!

Peter

[sinergicus]

Patent found -similar principle like Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor

Hi guys;I don't have knowledge and practicall experiences like you but anyway I am pasionate in free energy things;I am newbie in this kind of stuff;I learning from you and from others.

So,here I found an interesting patent ,similar with Peter Lindeman motor principle

esp@cenet document view

I hope this will be helpfull and give you some ideas for improving your work.

Mike

[patmac]

Relation between Speed, Torque, Eff ...

Ok. Horse Power & Efficient is a relation

Then Horse Power is a relation between mechanical load (feet pounds), speed (feet per seconds).

That it means is possible generate HP in a lower speed but getting easier conmutation as Jetjs' case. I've noticed in my experience with Stepper Motors, that is more necessary one good Dentent Torque, that HP for example. And Stepper Motors are conmutated by electronic circuit like Lindemanns motors, in stepper motors a lower speed gives a higher detent torque. Bedini Motors gives a HP near null, because I belive detent torque is very low, but when mechanical loads is some where not require detent torque but high speed like fan, Bedini motor gives a good performance.

these are my questions:

Is possible Jetijs' Motor get a better COP, running lower speed for get easy precision conmutation?

Coil is energized by power source and transistor in a precise moment speed of light?, but how Jetjs can calculate Magnetization and Core Saturation speed and rotor spin. Higer speed get far away conmutation precision.

Wating for yours opinions. I hope no confuse.

[Chuff]

Speed control?

I watched the DVD now about five times, and I get inspired every time. I would like to read through this forum a few more times before I get started on my own prototype, but I do have one question...

Has anyone ever applied some kind of speed control to this type of motor? The way it is set up, I'm wondering of the standard PWM type controller would interfere with the the way this motor pulses to push the rotor. Forgive a newbie if this is a silly question.

[elias]

Hi hh1341,
Thank you for your idea about the commutator wheel The thread has not run out. I am just waiting for my DC treadmill motor to practice in dynamometer measurements. Then I will be certain, that all my calculations and measurements are correct. Also I am still busy with my non free energy related project, but that is about 90% ready. Maybe I will make a thread about that after it is finished, it will be funny In the mean time I am working on that water spark technology and am eager to test this on a car engine. I must apologize that I am jumping between projects so often. It is just that I get a boost in enthusiasm randomly and every time the enthusiasm is about something else and I have to make a use of it, because when I am on such an boost in creativity, I can move mountains
I have not abandoned this project. In fact, I already have made a huge pile of silicon steel laminations for my attraction motor V3.0. The new motor has a bit different design and along with other changes it will allow easily to change motor pole coils so that I can test a whole variety or wire gauges and turns. Thanks to lighty for this idea

I admire your work. I am currently working on a free energy device and, hopefully I will share some info about it next week as I assemble and make the unit operational.

And I am also going to post some preciser efficiency measurements for my Lindemann motor, in the coming days.

[Jetijs]

Hi hh1341,
Thank you for your idea about the commutator wheel The thread has not run out. I am just waiting for my DC treadmill motor to practice in dynamometer measurements. Then I will be certain, that all my calculations and measurements are correct. Also I am still busy with my non free energy related project, but that is about 90% ready. Maybe I will make a thread about that after it is finished, it will be funny In the mean time I am working on that water spark technology and am eager to test this on a car engine. I must apologize that I am jumping between projects so often. It is just that I get a boost in enthusiasm randomly and every time the enthusiasm is about something else and I have to make a use of it, because when I am on such an boost in creativity, I can move mountains
I have not abandoned this project. In fact, I already have made a huge pile of silicon steel laminations for my attraction motor V3.0. The new motor has a bit different design and along with other changes it will allow easily to change motor pole coils so that I can test a whole variety or wire gauges and turns. Thanks to lighty for this idea