An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

[Ufopolitics]

Me a Skeptic?...

Hello to All,

I think, I consider myself as a Skeptic, when it comes to think that without any Copying from Superior Technologies, we, here, on Earth...are making these ARV's that defy gravity without any known aerodynamics or propellers, noiseless (not farting machines) just by our own development...same way many of you do not believe in Highly Civilized Extraterrestrial Life visiting Us here...

If we establish a Paradox through Time as a comparison about what I am writing above (Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARV) without the Alien Technologies)...I believe it would be simple to understand.

Say we could travel back in time...just a few years back...then handle any of the greatest scientists of our past a simple and small "device"...like a smart phone of our days...and forget about wireless connectivity...not needed here.

Simply give Tesla a smart I-Phone...with charged batteries...and camera, and all other applications working perfectly well...then let him analyze it, play with his fingers moving the data back and forth on the sensitive touch color screen...to then "digest" all its internal Electronic Micro-Components...one by one...About accessing the "software" that runs the phone?...practically impossible at those times, no such equipment, period, no PC, etc,etc...correct?

Now, let's be real here...How long do you think it will take Tesla, say with ALL FINANCIAL HELP, even granted by J.P Morgan and George Westinghouse BOTH FUNDING together...to be able to reproduce that so small I-Phone identically, in order that it does all basic functions that the Original did?

Would it be ever possible that he would make it on his lifetime?...what are the exact "Mathematical Probabilities" with all the existing tech they had at that time...they could be able to achieve this "Mission Impossible"?

And I mean that little I-Phone would not reveal the slow development of semiconductors over such long time to reach this stage now...as this I-Phone would not make them all the sudden to build a PC from scratch...or a Scope...to see the signals...or all the different software codes and languages develop -also over time- to command hardware executions in even the biggest IBM Computer?

How long would it take Tesla just to learn the software running on that I-Phone?...

And that Paradox above only goes back a few decades of Time...When it comes to UFO's Tech, we are talking Years-Light of Time/Space Difference...so it is even MUCH less probabilities of reaching a positive result...or a "perfectly working replication" of such advanced technologies.

Now, on the "Political Side"...In the event that it would be true that we have achieved ARV's whether copying ET Tech or Not...just by ourselves...Then what would be the point that Pentagon decides to spent 22 Millions on researching about UFO's...but furthermore...now disclosing it to Public Domain?

Maybe both "State Departments" (Pentagon's Department of Defense and ARV's development Corporations) are not connected between them?

Can we really think that could be ever possible within the US Homeland?

Think that the USPTO is directly supervised by DoD and DoE...why do you think this supervising?

In the event that we are not using ET Tech...and it is our own development...then this possibilities are even more remote to take place...Just because the "Confidentiality and Trust Enforcement Clauses" would be even more rigid, radical and encapsulated to make just a simple public disclosure.

A second question arises here...

If we do have such Tech available...Why US or any other Country possessing them..have not deployed before at any of their War$$?

I mean, any, but any Country, which have this Air Craft Tech, Noiseless, that could go invisible, even for the human eye, as it develops such Super Luminal Speeds...deployed in any Battlefield... could very easily become the "owner" of the entire Planet...

Isn't that the "Dream" of any "Empire"...to have such Radical Supremacy over the rest of the Planet?

Anyways, just my opinions on this subject, and again, we are not perfect...and so, I could be wrong as well in my concepts.


Regards and Happy Holidays to All


Ufopolitics

[Stealth]

That's an interesting hypothesis, I have several old photos of German hanebu's, flying discs. These claim to have been powered by electromagnetic induction. The last one(s) were reportedly missing when WWII ended. Rumors of Hitler and his top generals escaping to Swabenland, (Antartica) remain to this day. But anti gravity systems existed far earlier than most imagined. Reportedly John Keely wrapped a wire around a very heavy machine and used his sympathetic vibrator to float and he pushed this machine to another part of his laboratory by himself, while several witnesses watched in amazement. In his book, Universal laws, he says antigravity is simple. Either make the object lighter than the surrounding air, or make the air denser than the object, and it will float, similar to what happens on water. He says density is the key. Think of a hot air balloon, the air outside is denser than the air inside. Same as a derigibile, which is what this thing reminded me of, except for the speed. Good Luck. stealth

[Gambeir]

Yes, I agree, but if, and I'm sure there are aliens out there, they are surely watching us. They are not interested in our technology, and are not here to save us from ourselves. I think they are watching us to determine when we are open minded enough to reveal themselves. I don't think they are here to harm us either, as we would have no protection from them if they wanted the earth for their own. I believe they are curious and have probably crashed some of their antique aircraft for us to analyze. What I saw was real, whether it was terrestrial or extraterrestrial, I don't know, but if we had craft like that in 1975, what would we have now? stealth

A submarine is a self contained space ship. These tubes like the one which you've described appear for all the world like the inner hull of a submarine. My point is that if you needed a ready made space ship to attach another form of drive to then the hull of submarine would be good place to begin.

Spacecase0 sent me a link asking if I'd seen an article on the Kondo effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondo_effect

From what I've gathered so far, the are saying that magnetic impurities form connectors in these so called semi-metals which then result in inexplicable outcomes in lost mass. Interesting from what I can understand so far. Computing....data.

"mass had gone from 1000 times the mass of an electron to zero."

Now the wiki link to Kondo effect mentions Weyl Semi-metals.

Now check out what that say's because it's right up our alley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_semimetal

1.Weyl fermions are massless chiral fermions.
They are considered a building block for fermions in quantum field theory.
2.They have not been observed as a fundamental particle in nature.
3.Weyl fermions may be realized as emergent quasiparticles in a low-energy condensed matter system.
4.First predicted by C. Herring in the context of electronic band structures of solid state systems such as electronic crystals.
5. The first (non-electronic) liquid state which is suggested has similarly emergent but neutral excitation and theoretically interpreted superfluid's chiral anomaly as observation of Fermi points is in Helium-3 A liquids.
6. Crystalline tantalum arsenide (TaAs) is the first discovered topological Weyl fermion semimetal exhibiting topological surface Fermi arcs .
7.An electronic Weyl fermion is not only charged but stable at room temperature where there is no such superfluid or liquid state known.


Pretty much everything that then follows in the Wiki link on these is also pretty darn interesting and suggestive. The main thing I'm getting out of the links at this second relates to Helium-3 as a superfluid, and then this Helium-3 would relate back to the center column of the ARV as being a part of the system which creates a gravito-magnetic field using a superfluid cooled to supercondesate conditions by use of Helium-3.

It seems the Wiki links are blathering on about basically an improved version which doesn't require Helium-3 to obtain the same results, and which takes place at room temp, exhibiting the same superfluidity qualities of Helium-3 and thereby, evidently, creating a state where mass disappears?

So I'm gathering right now anyways. It seems to me that the ARV's center column is a Gravitomagnetic Generator. Remember me blathering about how space exhibits a superfluidity; that it acts like a fluid, a super-fluid that passes through all matter; how a smart boy might weave the sky into a thread and then a rope?

Imagine taking two pipes of different diameters. Now wrap some copper tubes around one, then do the same with the larger pipe. Now place the larger spirally shaped copper pipe you just bent over the smaller pipe. Think of the double sheathed tornado here, with each charged sheath spiraling in opposition, creating an avalanche of free electrons in the process.

Both must rotate and rotate against one another. That is, in counter-rotation.
I see this as being like the spirals of energy feeding the poles of the planet itself. This forms a kind of counter rotating double helix of electromagnetic energy; one inside the other, both connected to one source of energy: Space, which is a superfluid we ourselves don't yet recognize and have only detected with such devices as Kapitzas Spider.

Bose–Einstein Condensate – from superfluidity to superconductivity
Conclusion
"To expose the similarities between the superfluidity and superconductivity the simplest model of BEC was illustrated with the classical experiments showing the low temperature behavior of 4 He. Presented experiments are a set of a few famous low temperature effects observed in 4
He: λ transition, fountain effect and Kapitza’s spider."

http://www.ifmpan.poznan.pl/NCBiR-INNOTECH/documents/from_superfluidity_to_superconductivity.pdf

In the ARV the center column is most likely a gravitomagnetic generator using a superfluid. It's just a set of tubes arranged together, one inside the other but in the important shape of a spiral/helix made to rotate against one another.

This presents a technical problem now, because we have to have two double helix's rotating against one another with superfluid inside them. So I've been working on how you could engineer such a system. I think we can determine that the center column is a gravitomagnetic generator. So we now have two of the most important systems figured in my opinion since we have now deduced that the capacitors drive the space ship, and now we evidently have a fairly good pretext to imagine what the center column is all about as well as to how it may work.

I'm working on sharing what I think with some drawings but have been refining my thinking on this before trying to make a post. After all I don't know a damn thing about any of this stuff. However, this information which Spacecase0 brought forward is actually saying this is all being done now with solid state electronics.

However, to address your 1975 flying sub sighting, or space tube as the case may be; what we here are working on here in this ARV inquiry is basically analogous to understanding a steam locomotive. I'm also not at all surprised the thing was around the power lines. We don't have unsafe exposed high voltage lines running above ground when common sense would dictate that they should be in cables underground, like they are in some other countries, but at any rate, I wouldn't want you to misunderstand what I'm saying because sharing that story about this flying tube is very important in my view. There aren't a lot of stories about these tubes in the first place, not that I'm aware of, and few which were seen this close up. Really it's the first one I've heard told from first hand experience and I greatly appreciate you having told us all about the encounter. Again, I think these are modified submarine hulls personally, or modeled from submarine hulls. It wouldn't surprise me if they were actually heavily armored hulls.

[Stealth]

Yes, I agree, but if, and I'm sure there are aliens out there, they are surely watching us. They are not interested in our technology, and are not here to save us from ourselves. I think they are watching us to determine when we are open minded enough to reveal themselves. I don't think they are here to harm us either, as we would have no protection from them if they wanted the earth for their own. I believe they are curious and have probably crashed some of their antique aircraft for us to analyze. What I saw was real, whether it was terrestrial or extraterrestrial, I don't know, but if we had craft like that in 1975, what would we have now? stealth

[Gambeir]

Holiday Season created a bit of a delayed reaction. First thing is to say thanks for sharing those personal experiences with UFO's.
The thing we need to recognize is that there is a viable alternative to the Alien Hypothesis. That's not the same thing as saying
there are no aliens, or even that recovered alien artifacts, whatever they might be, didn't play a part in creating what we are seeing.

*Not sure this is going to make sense to everyone, because it may seem that I wander off, but in truth it's all a part of the whole picture
and that picture is about deception, lies, treason, and crimes against humanity.

All I'm asking is to question the idea's which have been planted in all our heads and to question the on-going developing narravitive.
This narrative started long ago with this introduction of the idea of Ancient Aliens and Alien Intervention, and now we have hostile Aliens
as a dominate theme.

This narrative of alien invasion goes way back to H.G. Wells. Wells was also a member of the Fabian Society.
"H.G. Wells and the Open Conspiracy."
"Fabian leaders were drawn to Herbert George Wells (1866-1946), and his ideas of the 'New Republic' which he described as "a sort of outspoken
Secret Society; an informal and open freemasonry," made up of the educated class, whose common goals would lead to the creation of a new World State,"
Final Warning: A History of the New World Order
Illuminism and the master plan for world domination
-- by: David Allen Rivera, 1994, source: darivera.com

http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning&C=5.1#Wells

The Fabian Turtle is featured on the 2015 Economist Cover. Originally the Fabian Society featured a Wolf in Sheeps clothing, but changed that
later on when it thought to be a bit too open


What we are faced with is a question of what to believe. This is always going to be a personal decision. In this quest what we need to realize
is that the intelligence services are tasked with keeping all of us in the dark, and they do this by manufacturing evidence, same as all criminals
would rationally do when trying to hide their participation in high crimes. We may call them intelligence services today, but in times past they
were the snitches, stooges, assassins, and tools of the king. Nothing has changed, only the names have been changed, they still serve the same
master knowingly or not.

People will point to the supposed evidence supporting Ancient Astronauts, but there again the scope and detail and extremes to which these agencies will go
knows no bounds. Here's a crazy example of the insanity: Although hard to locate now, there were stories and reports of an on-going theft of dictionaries
from all public repositories. These dictionaries were being replaced with a fake duplicate. The only alteration of the dictionary was the out side cover was
slightly different, evidently in order to more easily identify the replaced ones from the original, and the textual replacement was to redefine the meaning of the word "Ground Zero."

This was taking place after 9/11. I was able to verify the veracity of the story by visiting a couple local public libraries and comparing them with my
own small dictionary collection. I'm talking here about comparing the publication dates/edition to the covers and then to the altered definition of the mean of ground zero. This is just an example of how extreme and minute these people will micro manage in planing for a future change in the dialogue.

Now if you think this has to do with 9/11 you'd be right. If you also think it has to do with another future crime then you once more be correct.

I believe this is another planned part of another developing meme: That of the so called Mandeala Effect. I think this is all engineered, but engineered
so as to provide plausible explanations for the alteration of critical documents. Take from that what you will. The idea is to see the finger prints being
left behind. Consider who controls the original copy of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America, along with the
Supreme Laws of the People contained in the Bills of Rights.

Does anyone think for one second that the criminals who conducted the mass murder of 3,000 Americans in broad daylight, who have called
the Constitution nothing but a God Damned piece of paper would not also switch out those documents? Think again, and whose copies then will this
same criminal organization recognize then? Hate Speech is free speech. Any attempt to restrict what another person says, or can say, is sedition,
and any actual act in any other law is in reality high treason. The punishment for high treason is death. Did any of that stop them? Don't you think
they already know that?

People have been lead to think hate speech is about themselves as minorities; like a system of government whose economics is founded upon unwarranted taxation, and mass murder for profit through war has ethics and cares about any one at all. No, the goal of hate speech laws will ultimately be aimed at people like me. The people whom are writing about high crimes and acts of treason: Got guns and bullets?

The point of this rambling is to hopefully make some kind of cross connections to the themes of conspiracy to deprive others of rights, knowledge, speech,
liberty, justice, and to replace those with threats to life and limb, to bamboozle and deceive, to steal and to murder. How is a system operating on these principles, and now intentionally heading for far worse, supposed to have been truthful and worth believing? There's a real reason they don't want us having this technology and it has to do with themselves as slave owners, not with aliens visiting earth even if there are some dumb enough to show up here from time to time.

There is a brief 3 or 4 second film clip in Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Movie showing a hovering Nazi disk. The available evidence does suggest
that the German Scientists did solve the gravity riddle. Werner von braun himself said we can beat gravity. He half joking implied that it was already
a fact. If anyone would have known it would have been him. I think they did and I think that the Russians, the Americans, possibly the British & French,
and certainly Israel with all it's former slaves refugees from Nazi Germany had brought with them the knowledge. Israel has almost certainly had
knowledge of Nazi UFO Technology since 1945. I think it's highly plausible to conclude some or even all UFO sightings after 1945 could also be of
terrestrial origin based on what has been uncovered in the last 80 years.

Are there Aliens, well yes there has to be, it's mathematically impossible for there not to be, but do they come here often enough for millions of
us peons to see them 5 nights a week?

[Stealth]

Yes, it was a real eye opener. Even though it was not yet dark, the craft looked shiny black, like obsidian. There was not one marking, and no other visible lights except the search light coming from the bottom of the craft. Later, as I tried to talk to the other employees about it, they ignored me. I actually believe they thought they would be ridiculed about it. In 1975 there hadn't been lots of reported sightings and very few movies made concerning aliens or their crafts. This thing was literally longer than a football field, and nearly as wide. I have heard then describes as a cigar, but this one had blunt ends. Not very aerodynamic I'd say. The closest thing I can compare it to is carbon fiber, but shiny. There were no visible windows or doors. I have since seen two of the saucer types, but not nearly as close up. One was moving at a high rate of speed exiting the atmosphere toward the stars. Another was travelling NE, but not at a high rate of speed. Both were viewed during daylight and both were shiny metal(aluminum?). Neither of the saucers were large, maybe 40-50 feet in diameter. stealth

[Ufopolitics]

Wow Stealth!!...that was quite some AWESOME Sighting friend...and so close!!!

I just got a question...do you recall any particular details about its surface?

Was it smooth, shiny like polished metal...or was it matte (no shine), rough and maybe looking like an old stone wall?

Any details like indentations or protuberances?

I have read before about their proximity to power lines (main feeders of HV)..As I also recall someone saying some stupidity, like they approach these power lines to steal energy from them, like to "refuel" their capacitors...

What I imagine why they get so close to power lines as following them so slowly...assuming they start right from the Power Plant itself ...is like trying to understand WHY are these People from Earth so OBSOLETE about Energy Harvesting to the point they need such ridiculous wire lines to transmit power across their cities?

On the funny side, is like saying...

WTF IS THIS??!!

I imagine with their technologies, they could see the flow of energy passing through the wires as we could see the skeleton of a human body through X-Rays...

Beautiful experience Stealth... as I imagine your life was never again the same...


Regards and thanks for sharing!!


Ufopolitics

[Stealth]

[Ufopolitics]

I'm right with you Ufopolitics. I'd like nothing more than for Universe to crown me once more with another dunce cap in regards to this video and prove to the world that we really are being visited. The problem is we cannot count on alien rescue. We have to count on ourselves first.

And I am also with you above...they will not "rescue" us...their universal ethics do not allow so.

However I have to ask why, what would make us worth the effort, it must be earth itself because it certainly cannot be the politicians, nor the religions, nor the technology. So why would any alien care to visit. It makes very little sense given the vastness of our galaxy along with it billions of stars and planets, and this is just one galaxy.

It's the whole thing...but looking at it as a unique planet, so beautiful and so lonely in such vast space around...

Unfortunately we do not find planets with Earth conditions just around any corner of any galaxy...

We have to not only conquer space and time, but we have to first conquer the nut jobs running the insane asylum, and then we need to conquer our own mortality. The Universe is far too vast for humankind to even scratch in understanding before we too go extinct if we don't.

You are completely right above

I don't think people realize how completely insignificant this entire planet is in relation to the Universe or even our own galaxy. As an example, the late Carl Sagan directed that Voyager turn round and take an one last image of our solar system before being lost forever in that vastness.

We will never again find that spacecraft. This entire solar system will never pass the same plane of space ever again, not even in another 260 million years. It will be a sad epitaph if the rich, the corrupt, and the stupid leave only the Voyager space craft with it's golden record as the only evidence that humanity ever existed.

So I don't know if there's anyone out there who cares about us for any reason. It seems so improbable to me, and so it's us who have to take back control from the lunatics. If the Military, if any corporation, or CEO, or billionaire, or religious order is holding proof or knowledge or actual communication with another civilization and not telling us, then that is the ultimate crime against humanity. People need to get nasty about this. These imbeciles are gambling with the survival of everything we know for their own petty goals.

This is that image which Voyager took. Our earth is so tiny that a single pixel wasn't even enough to show where we are. It had to be highlighted. Voyager is the first spacecraft we know of that has ever left the Sun's helipause. That puts Voyager outside of the envelope we are in, the one moving at thirteen thousands of the speed of light as our entire solar system follows our Sun around the galactic race track.

Yes, we are "insignificant" from that (Voyager) point of view...but also, in all those planets and stars you see around Earth...possibly none have our conditions, as none may have civilized life...so, yes make us look insignificant...but "very unique".

ET's have been around since the beginning of our times...but not so many different races as after WWII, when the two Atomic Bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki...then we call them.

FBI Vault reports from the Atomic Facility in the late 40's (1947-1950) had so many UFO sightings that it became some kind of Space Harassment and abuse of their advantages displacing through space...That Atomic Plant is where they were making all the isotopes for the nuclear reaction...

On the video below, I show the most significant reports from Oakridge Tenessee Atomic Plant:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgw-Cwlimlg[/VIDEO]

You could skip to 3:20 to start reading reports...

I know it sounds very "fiction" Uh?...well is up to anyone to believe it or keep living their fantasy...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

when I look at the ARV,
it seems to me to be the logical extension of what work tesla, t.t. brown and others were doing long ago (we even got leaked information of how they work, frequencies, and layout. posted at a link earlier in the thread)
I don't think it is an alien copy at all
when I first was shown it, they called it "fluxliner" and names are very telling. I did not see ARV until later.

I am convinced that most alien abduction experiences are not aliens at all, they are old fashioned daemons that are appealing to a modern people that don't believe in them anymore. and this is why there is no physical evidence left by the encounter, why the encounters are seemingly designed for the maximum fear experience, and also why people that ask for god or some other helpful entity to help them have the abduction vanish in front of them.
so clearly you can't copy space travel from this group as they likely know nothing

That ARV illustration has been a vexing project. At every turn it seems to morph in the number of ways it might be imagined to work as well as what it might be capable of doing, but I agree that there's nothing in those ideas, in either theory or materials, which don't have earthly origins.

The way I understand demons is the way I understand stories about alien visitation. Not sure I've got this right, but when a body is displaced from time, induced by an altered state of energy, it's thought then that the the existing relationship to matter is time displaced, changed, whereby a body can then appear to pass through matter such as walls, to flux between being seen and becoming invisible. In another altered state an entire other world could/does co-exist without ever interfering with our own.

If this is so, and if the ARV mimics this effect, then there you have a rational explanation for invisibility, or blinking in an out by UFO's. This same method could be used to pass through walls, and with other tools the victim could be left believing that they were visited by aliens, or were as the case may be. This whole line of theoretical effects could mean that the aliens/demons are real and really not of this world, but also not necessarily out of this world either. They might be beings from a previous civilization who've moved to an altered reality in time. They could have been survivors of a shipwrecked alien vehicle who've used their technology and knowledge create a means to co-exist without our direct knowledge. They could be on another planet in the solar system for that matter and travel here for whatever reasons. The whole line of thinking reminds me of Ray Bradburys Martian Chronicles.

"The Martian Chronicles... a warning to all mankind."
Ray Bradbury

[Gambeir]

I'm right with you Ufopolitics. I'd like nothing more than for Universe to crown me once more with another dunce cap in regards to this video and prove to the world that we really are being visited. The problem is we cannot count on alien rescue. We have to count on ourselves first.

However I have to ask why, what would make us worth the effort, it must be earth itself because it certainly cannot be the politicians, nor the religions, nor the technology. So why would any alien care to visit. It makes very little sense given the vastness of our galaxy, along with it billions of stars and planets, and this is just one galaxy.

We have to not only conquer space and time, but we have to first conquer the nut jobs running the insane asylum, and then we need to conquer our own mortality. The Universe is far too vast for humankind to even scratch in understanding before we too go extinct if we don't.

I don't think people realize how completely insignificant this entire planet is in relation to the Universe or even our own galaxy. As an example, the late Carl Sagan directed that Voyager turn round and take an one last image of our solar system before being lost forever in that vastness.

We will never again find that spacecraft. This entire solar system will never pass the same plane of space ever again, not even in another 260 million years. It will be a sad epitaph if the rich, the corrupt, and the stupid leave only the Voyager space craft with it's golden record as the only evidence that humanity ever existed.

So I don't know if there's anyone out there who cares about us for any reason. It seems so improbable to me, and so it's us who have to take back control from the lunatics. If the Military, if any corporation, or CEO, or billionaire, or religious order is holding proof or knowledge or actual communication with another civilization and not telling us, then that is the ultimate crime against humanity. People need to get nasty about this. These imbeciles are gambling with the survival of everything we know for their own petty goals.

This is that image which Voyager took. Our earth is so tiny that a single pixel wasn't even enough to show where we are. It had to be highlighted. Voyager is the first spacecraft we know of that has ever left the Sun's helipause. That puts Voyager outside of the envelope we are in, the one moving at thirteen thousands of the speed of light as our entire solar system follows our Sun around the galactic race track.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Gambeir,

Sorry about the rant.

My first sighting took place when I was 10 years old...and 50 years later, I still remember it so clearly like it happened yesterday.

Ever since I can stop looking at the skies day and night...and there are so many times I have seen them...that I've lost the count...

I do not recall if I ever mentioned to you about CARET...or if you have read it already ..if not, I highly recommend you do.

There have been so many websites just build to discredit Isaac papers...and some are done by PHD Guys...and as always, many YT Videos trying to ridiculize it...same ol' story...I could not care less, maybe many of those guys were under the DoD Payroll on the program to discredit all about UFO's.. so even more aggressive work- since it is about a former DoD employee now gone in the open.

Now his original site- at least from my end- is not responding...but above link contains the Full Disclosure, including the pictures and copies he made of the "Linguistics"...or their 'command codes'.

Isaac also work for the DoD, but in another program named CARET since 1982 to 1986 he was an Electric and a Computer Science Engineer.

Now after this DoD and Pentagon "Official Disclosures"...CARET comes alive again...and I only hope that Isaac is still alive so he can finish his job.

I find his disclosure very interesting, not to say fascinating.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

Hello Gambeir,

Sorry but I have to disagree with you about ARV's versus the REAL UFO DEAL...

First, take a brief look around at our "technological advancement" to the stars...

"The first man in the Moon", back in the sixties...barely making it with a farting machine with huge tanks of flammable fuels... it is a joke, really!!

Sending little R/C Toys -also on board of farting rockets- to roll over Mars surface to observe and collect data...and so on and on...

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all?

So, all this "Secret Scientists Group" have discovered, just like that, all of the sudden...Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and Motion Perpetual Machines...out of nowhere...

Sorry but just the idea is laughable at, absurd.

BUT, NOW, IF, You are saying that they are COPYING EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES, ARV's as (ALIEN REPRODUCTION VEHICLES), I AM Definitively with you there 100%...BUT then...You must admit ET's and their UFO's are for real.


What am saying is that WITHOUT THE ET'S TECH, Absolutely "nada" would have taken place.

What Carol Rosin have disclosed was that the Project "Star War$" was made just to PREVENT from REAL ET UFO's to get into our atmosphere...obviously, after all the Billions spent...it don't work...

However, I do agree with you, that trying to "make up" a possible Alien Invasion is just a "PUBLIC EXCUSE" to fund all the Billions required to launch future projects...which I do not doubt at all, would be within their Agenda.

And so I will repeat -again- what I wrote before...ET's and UFO's do NOT POSE ANY Menace, ANY THREAT to our Planet, their "visits" here are just to avoid our race disappearance by our own Concepts & Methods of development.


Regards


Ufopolitics

PD: If my comments are disturbing your line of Thread, I will delete them all -at your request- and end of the story...deal?

I'd rather you did not delete anything. I regret demanding someone else remove a post due to a personal misunderstanding of the intent and over-reacting. Please continue to say what you think and how you feel. I'm glad you're doing so.

I'd prefer that there isn't a consensus. We don't need group think any more than is absolutely necessary. I think the hard part is to present ideas without attaching ones' ego to them.

It has been the basis of this thread that the US Military does possess antigravity ships, and has had them since at least the mid 1950's. The whole idea behind this thread has been to try to get members thoughts about how they think this machine might work.

Where are the Aliens?

If anyone had asked me ten years ago if I thought there were aliens visiting earth, or that our technology may have originated from recovered alien machines, then I would have felt that that was likely. I don't feel that way today. I'd like to think that somehow and for some reason we people of this tiny planet are being visited by other civilizations.

Technologically to do this requires a machine which can travel way faster than light speed. It's going to have be a requirement to somehow void the distances of the galaxy. Mach 10 isn't enough. We are talking worm holes, transdimensional, or time warping, or all of the above.

The question really becomes one of what humans are capable of. Issac Newton is recorded to have lectured to the walls for lack of having worthy students capable of understanding him. Talking to the walls isn't always a sign of insanity. It can be one of extreme intellect. Maybe Issac today is under forced drug therapy for his own good for all we know, such is the corruption of the world we are presently living in. Aliens didn't give instructions to Michael Faraday or Issac Newton and humanity has have been on a pathway of exponential growth in knowledge ever since Michael arrived.

Do we really need to assign human achievement to aliens? Nevertheless, we are also smart enough to recognize what a windfall a recovered alien artifact would present. Naturally any government which found one would avail themselves of everything they could extract out of it. However, we humans could never replicate any alien technology if we didn't already have the intelligence to be able understand it enough so that we could have created it ourselves. Luckily history records that we aren't all imbeciles.

Of all the ways I and others have thought, and which may be involved in the workings of this illustration of the ARV, there isn't a single one which wasn't either known or theorized prior to the Second World War. We do not need to reach out to alien technology to explain advances in technology.

Again, I simply do not believe that the F-18 video is of an alien vehicle. That's not the same thing as saying there are no alien vehicles visiting earth, or that the US Military has real video's of them. It's just that the F-18 video isn't one of them. It's a plasma orb in my opinion, and it's a technology which is appears, once again, to date from the last Global War being dusted off for ulterior motives.

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all?

There existed enough knowledge and enough theoretical ideas to pursue the idea of antigravity as a reality even as the storm clouds of the Second World War began. I've tried to show this throughout this thread. Keep in mind Ufopolitics that a Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter also looked out of this world to B-17 bomber crews. It still looks like a flying shark for that matter. World War II vets have remarked that the one thing which created dread was how alien and advanced looking many of the German weapons appeared to be, but creative design and thinking really only speaks about the education systems used to mold the minds of those generations in each nation.

I'm speculating that I think the Germans succeeded before anyone else did. It's a matter of record that American Aviation Corporations did pursue antigravity projects in the post war and that these projects went black, along with some of the corporations themselves. These brains didn't just decide to get together. I suppose in Germany it wasn't so much a choice as it was an order, whereas in America after the war it was simply a matter of buying the brains, recognizing of course that basically the US essentially abducted every brain it could lay it's mitts on from Germany and then pretending this was their choice, but for most others the course was to recruit and buy the brains. That's what Hiller Aviation did. It's what Boeing does today.

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when I look at the ARV,
it seems to me to be the logical extension of what work tesla, t.t. brown and others were doing long ago (we even got leaked information of how they work, frequencies, and layout. posted at a link earlier in the thread)
I don't think it is an alien copy at all
when I first was shown it, they called it "fluxliner" and names are very telling. I did not see ARV until later.

I am convinced that most alien abduction experiences are not aliens at all, they are old fashioned daemons that are appealing to a modern people that don't believe in them anymore. and this is why there is no physical evidence left by the encounter, why the encounters are seemingly designed for the maximum fear experience, and also why people that ask for god or some other helpful entity to help them have the abduction vanish in front of them.
so clearly you can't copy space travel from this group as they likely know nothing

[Ufopolitics]

No ET's UFO's...then NO ARV's

Hello Gambeir,

Sorry but I have to disagree with you about ARV's versus the REAL UFO DEAL...

First, take a brief look around at our "technological advancement" to the stars...

"The first man in the Moon", back in the sixties...barely making it with a farting machine with huge tanks of flammable fuels... it is a joke, really!!

Sending little R/C Toys -also on board of farting rockets- to roll over Mars surface to observe and collect data...and so on and on...

And so, here you are saying that -all the sudden- a "bunch" of super intelligent people, super "rocket" scientists...decided to gather together to design and build Antigravity Devices which uses no fuels, requires absolutely no aerodynamics at all (like wings, aileron's, turbines, propellers, rotors, etc,etc,) and looks like it is "out of this world"...basically out of nowhere, copying exactly from nothing existent at all??

So, all this "Secret Scientists Group" have discovered, just like that, all of the sudden...Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and Motion Perpetual Machines...out of nowhere...

Sorry but just the idea is laughable at, absurd.

BUT, NOW, IF, You are saying that they are COPYING EXTRA TERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES, ARV's as (ALIEN REPRODUCTION VEHICLES), I AM Definitively with you there 100%...BUT then...You must admit ET's and their UFO's are for real.


What am saying is that WITHOUT THE ET'S TECH, Absolutely "nada" would have taken place.

What Carol Rosin have disclosed was that the Project "Star War$" was made just to PREVENT from REAL ET UFO's to get into our atmosphere...obviously, after all the Billions spent...it don't work...

However, I do agree with you, that trying to "make up" a possible Alien Invasion is just a "PUBLIC EXCUSE" to fund all the Billions required to launch future projects...which I do not doubt at all, would be within their Agenda.

And so I will repeat -again- what I wrote before...ET's and UFO's do NOT POSE ANY Menace, ANY THREAT to our Planet, their "visits" here are just to avoid our race disappearance by our own Concepts & Methods of development.


Regards


Ufopolitics

PD: If my comments are disturbing your line of Thread, I will delete them all -at your request- and end of the story...deal?