An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

[Gambeir]

Gambeir, You practically repeat the words of Aleksey when he speaks about the excessive magnetization of the plate. I think he is wrong. You say in your terms that this is something like overheating and you need to cool down the plate. But it is the insufficiency of free electrons, not the electrons that is form a crystal lattice. It is the insufficiency of additional electrons to those that already exist in the crystalline lattice. So insufficiency of free electrons as I call it. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with magnetism.

The reason I made a connection to antiferromagnetism has to do with the spin states of the electrons. Not with magnetism but I see your point and understand what you're trying to say to me. I myself see there are two serious problems with my hypothesis. So you're right in the sense that it has nothing to do with magnetism but it still may involve spin states.

Convention would seem to say that the input of the energy will heat the plate and that the rise in temperature will correspond to a loss of antiferromagnetism. The assumption here is that antiferromagnetism is the root source for the levitation effect because in antiferromagnetism there is an ordered structure to the spin states.

However the first problem with that explanation is the reason for heating seems to not hold up as there appears to be ample conductive material in the High Voltage Plate, and we have no evidence of heating without our own means of testing the machine, and another problem is the plate would seem to be working well above it's antiferromagnetic Neel Temperature to begin with; which I believe is 14F for aluminum. So let's assume for the moment that this hypothesis I constructed has too many holes which cannot easily be explained away.

I think you have an idea worth following. Just realize the explanation I'm handing out is drawn out of pure convention. Do not think we are in disagreement. I am much more in tune with what you're saying. So continue if you have some existing ideas to explain the loss of electrons, or are you thinking this is like a saturation point where there just cannot be any more electrons put into the material? I of course have some ideas on this myself.

[Bugfly]

Gambeir, You practically repeat the words of Aleksey when he speaks about the excessive magnetization of the plate. I think he is wrong. You say in your terms that this is something like overheating and you need to cool down the plate. But it is the insufficiency of free electrons, not the electrons that is form a crystal lattice. It is the insufficiency of additional electrons to those that already exist in the crystalline lattice. So insufficiency of free electrons as I call it. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with magnetism.

[Gambeir]

Gambeir, If you're about finding the right crystal lattice, and explanations of how it works, to explain how all these stones fly. So Yes, there are a lot of work (validations, experiments, etc.) to do. Unless there is a successful guess will appear somehow. But regarding to the Alexey Chekurkov’s device almost everything is clear. The only tricky thing about it all is kacher. Old tesla patents and writings need to be reviewed. We need one thing that I have not met in information about Tesla. But it certainly should be. Why do we need Kacher? We need it for the injection of electrons into the central disk. Why? We have not enought electrons in the Fermi surface. Yes, we have electrons in the surface of the Fermi, but they are part of the crystal lattice. What is the electron drift velocity, for example, when current is transmitted through a wire? Microns per minute? Such a big speed!!! Additional electrons injected into the disk are not part of the crystal lattice. And they can be freely moved. Moved as surface layer. I hope it is clear now that we need not kacher, we need an Tesla transformer with a rectifier at the end. A rectifier is needed to pass only a stream of electrons to the disk, and in the case of a reverse AC wave no electron should climb back from the disk to the tesla transformer. The more injected electrons on a disk, the better it will all work. In practice, I have never dealt with Tesla transformers and I don’t know if a standard high-voltage diode will work here. But in the times then Tesla buil all his machines (approximately 18xx-1917) there were no diodes. And all the rectifiers of that time, and perhaps today rectifiers to, can't stand hundreds of thousands of volts. I started browsing the site https://archive.org/
haven't found anything yet.
Alexey said in his videos that after a while the device falls.
And needs time to wait to operate it again.
Why is this happening?
This is because Kacher drives electrons back and forth, but takes a little more each time, thus the disk is depleted with free electrons...

Good work Bugsfly, you're asking the same questions I've asked. Ok, so while you might have other ideas this is what I have concluded as of now. That doesn't mean it is right or won't change at some future point. You're right about the Tesla Coil. The Tesla is providing the energy. It is the electron spin being vectored by the cycling DC charged magnetic field in the High Voltage Plate which is vectored.

The next thing is that the center high voltage plate has to be a paramagnetic material capable exhibiting antiferromagnetism. This is really a key part to the whole equation. In other words, the high voltage conductive field/plate does not have to be an aluminum plate, but aluminum is a paramagnetic metal, and which exhibits antiferromagnetism. That's what has to grasped before you can make sense of the device.

Now the issue with this exhibition of antiferromagnetism is cooling. Notice in the ARV illustration for example that there are tanks depicted on the machine. One might suspect that some of these have something to do with cooling and not just crew life support oxygen.

Aluminum, as with most paramagnetics, lose their antiferromagnetism as they pass a their Neel Temperature. So the temperature at which a material is or is not able to exhibit antiferromagnetism is affected by it's temperature and of course by it's composition. That's the reason the machine has to cool down. There's no onboard cooling for the high voltage plate.

[Bugfly]

OK, so I have to watch the video but a quick note. First off, you and I are of a similar mind. Yes, believe me I see what you're saying and it's well understood that the things you're saying are things I've said myself at other times.

Now you can see in my post to spacecase0 on atomic spin vector technology that the idea's you're suggesting are factual technology from long ago. The real question is whether this is a correct and total explanation, because even thought this evidently works, and works well it may still not be the whole story or even the right story.

It's like you can prove a crime any number of ways but there is, in the end, only one true and correct explanation. So to find the truth you test the hypothesis by destructive process. That is, you try to punch holes in your own so-called proof. There's a process to discovery and to truth finding that's been refined over hundreds of years.

Gambeir, If you're about finding the right crystal lattice, and explanations of how it works, to explain how all these stones fly. So Yes, there are a lot of work (validations, experiments, etc.) to do. Unless there is a successful guess will appear somehow. But regarding to the Alexey Chekurkov’s device almost everything is clear. The only tricky thing about it all is kacher. Old tesla patents and writings need to be reviewed. We need one thing that I have not met in information about Tesla. But it certainly should be. Why do we need Kacher? We need it for the injection of electrons into the central disk. Why? We have not enought electrons in the Fermi surface. Yes, we have electrons in the surface of the Fermi, but they are part of the crystal lattice. What is the electron drift velocity, for example, when current is transmitted through a wire? Microns per minute? Such a big speed!!! Additional electrons injected into the disk are not part of the crystal lattice. And they can be freely moved. Moved as surface layer. I hope it is clear now that we need not kacher, we need an Tesla transformer with a rectifier at the end. A rectifier is needed to pass only a stream of electrons to the disk, and in the case of a reverse AC wave no electron should climb back from the disk to the tesla transformer. The more injected electrons on a disk, the better it will all work. In practice, I have never dealt with Tesla transformers and I don’t know if a standard high-voltage diode will work here. But in the times then Tesla buil all his machines (approximately 18xx-1917) there were no diodes. And all the rectifiers of that time, and perhaps today rectifiers to, can't stand hundreds of thousands of volts. I started browsing the site https://archive.org/
haven't found anything yet.
Alexey said in his videos that after a while the device falls.
And needs time to wait to operate it again.
Why is this happening?
This is because Kacher drives electrons back and forth, but takes a little more each time, thus the disk is depleted with free electrons...

[Gambeir]

Just understand that what I've managed to cobble together are a pair of wooden clogs; the poor man's shoes of atomic physics. If I had understood what I now understand than obviously I would have started this thread differently or maybe not at all. Nevertheless you should be starting to gather in an concept of those ideas which undoubtedly were topics of discussion of the Rocket Team under operation paper clip.

[Gambeir]

Gambeir, I hope you don't get crazy with my sound nature explanation. It can help in the further explanation. If all sounds are connected to each other, as they are the one nature force. Then why we shood use the sound in air, let's use the sound in Fermi surface.
First we mast realize that even the aircrafts does not fly at all. They are floating up. To realize this we shood figering out how the wing works.
Lets see this lecture: https://youtu.be/XWdNEGr53Gw
I hope you watch it to the end. It has many interesting concepts of how things work, while being filmed filmed very badly. The camera never shows what the professor Holger Babinsky draws that can be seen on the screen of the projector, but constantly shows the professor himself. Very strange approach...
So, this is the main idea of this lecture: https://youtu.be/UqBmdZ-BNig

OK, so I have to watch the video but a quick note. First off, you and I are of a similar mind. Yes, believe me I see what you're saying and it's well understood that the things you're saying are things I've said myself at other times.

Now you can see in my post to spacecase0 on atomic spin vector technology that the idea's you're suggesting are factual technology from long ago. The real question is whether this is a correct and total explanation, because even thought this evidently works, and works well it may still not be the whole story or even the right story.

It's like you can prove a crime any number of ways but there is, in the end, only one true and correct explanation. So to find the truth you test the hypothesis by destructive process. That is, you try to punch holes in your own so-called proof. There's a process to discovery and to truth finding that's been refined over hundreds of years.

[Gambeir]

seems like you might not know that the idea of a primary color is just human perception (3 colors detected in the eye), and not even all humans at that. I am an example as I see at least 4 primary colors, and a few others do as well even though it is fairly rare.
when looking from a physics point of view, there is a spectrum of colors, and it is way way more than the 7 that most humans have decided to identify. and green is just as valid as red or blue from that point of view

Quite right spacecase0. However, under the artistic version of reality those pigments form the basis for all color, three primary colors and two bases; five total. So that's the official version of color reality but you are still quite right in your observations and important to keep in mind as well.

Now I'm not positive what the reasoning is behind this display of color is in the Hollywood 1953 war of the worlds except that it probably relates to the 1980's plan by Unitel and therefore shows that the theoretical idea's which Unitel came up with over 30 years later were already known and being shown off covertly. It's not the same as Unitel's ideas but it is still related.

In the 1953 version of War of the Worlds the movie repeatedly connects a triangular pattern to the alien invaders. This motif of triangular patterns and colors has to do with theoretical spin states, and with the technology which was being developed to create a better machine using molecular beam epitaxy for deposition of single crystals. Officially cited as being developed by Bell Labs in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular-beam_epitaxy

The idea is that by using this technology one can fully exploit the spin states of Antiferromagnetism to it's fullest effect. Observe the following and then place the ability to manipulate the spin state of each crystal as you choose.

From Wikipedia.

"Unlike ferromagnetism, anti-ferromagnetic interactions can lead to multiple optimal states (ground states—states of minimal energy). In one dimension, the anti-ferromagnetic ground state is an alternating series of spins: up, down, up, down, etc. Yet in two dimensions, multiple ground states can occur.

Geometric frustration:
Consider an equilateral triangle with three spins, one on each vertex. If each spin can take on only two values (up or down), there are 2 to the 3rd power = 8 possible states of the system, six of which are ground states. The two situations which are not ground states are when all three spins are up or are all down. In any of the other six states, there will be two favorable interactions and one unfavorable one. This illustrates frustration: the inability of the system to find a single ground state. This type of magnetic behavior has been found in minerals that have a crystal stacking structure such as a Kagome lattice or hexagonal lattice.." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiferromagnetismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trihex...Kagome_lattice

A non-covalent interaction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-covalent_interactions

"Crystallinity refers to the degree of structural order in a solid. In a crystal, the atoms or molecules are arranged in a regular, periodic manner."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallinity

[Bugfly]

Gambeir, I hope you don't get crazy with my sound nature explanation. It can help in the further explanation. If all sounds are connected to each other, as they are the one nature force. Then why we shood use the sound in air, let's use the sound in Fermi surface.
First we mast realize that even the aircrafts does not fly at all. They are floating up. To realize this we shood figering out how the wing works.
Lets see this lecture: https://youtu.be/XWdNEGr53Gw
I hope you watch it to the end. It has many interesting concepts of how things work, while being filmed filmed very badly. The camera never shows what the professor Holger Babinsky draws that can be seen on the screen of the projector, but constantly shows the professor himself. Very strange approach...
So, this is the main idea of this lecture: https://youtu.be/UqBmdZ-BNig

[Bugfly]

Gambeir, hold on for a second. I just gave the analogy of a gradient, which may possibly exist in a crystal lattice of this stones and somehow affects their properties. So I'm trying to show the way to find the cause of the Archimedes force. Archimedes force makes lighter bodies float in a heavier environment. We still do not know the mechanism of this phenomenon. Obviously, the stones somehow just float in the air. And we need to understand its mechanism. At first it will be weak flying devices. Grebennikovs platform is a very powerful device. In Grebennikovs platform there is a gradient which I described, but it also has an amplifier which we can not understand now. The point is to convert light into sound. This is a pretty crazy thing. Not everyone loves this interpretation of nature. Well, according to this view, there is nothing in nature but light and sound. Matter is secondary to light and sound. So we can somehow organize the sound and light fields and get matter. This is very different from ordinary scientific ideas, where, for example, sound is a vibration of particles, for example air molecules, if sound is transmitted in air of course. But what if we make other particles oscillate, for example, electrons in the Fermi surface of a metal. Will it be sound? Of course it will be a sound, but with a different frequency and penetration abilities. And so on we can find a lot of particles carrying sound of different frequencies. And here suspicion creeps. What is generally comes first particles or sound? I hope I clearly described the situation with the basics. Superficially of course. And that's coming next? Next is transfer the light to sound and of course sound to light. We are just beginning to understand these processes. Rather, we don’t know how to convert light into sound, and this is exactly what happens in the Grebennikovs platform, besides the creating of a gradient. How to convert sound into light, we just started to understand. This is the phenomenon of sonoluminescence: https://youtu.be/O9B3vzsZsr4
The sound affects the flask with water, and than a cavitation bubble apears in the water. The bubble glows. There is so much more in this experiment that we do not understand. For example cavitation bubble. What is it? Check this out: https://youtu.be/cOeNxkksruo
You can try this at home. It is working! Very powerful thing!
And here we are asking for explanations to scientists. What we hear in response? Hyperspace in cavitation bubbles, etc. So they know nothing. And You see it is not the most effective way to convert sound into light...
In short, this level is not yet available to us. Of course there are those who know all this for a long time. But we should start with a relatively simple one. With the force of Archimedes
for example...

[spacecase0]

Fascinating and after some digging it might make more sense than is realized. Consider the Unitel plan for light propulsion on the previous page. That system used two primary color lights, Red & Blue, with one Green light (not a primary color). This isn't logical since Red, blue and yellow are the primary colors and are the base of every other color. Secondary colors result when two primary colors are mixed together; they include orange, green and purple. Base colors are Black and White. All combinations of color arise out of the three primary and two bases. Why then has Unitel's propulsion system used green with red and blue? Green is created from yellow and blue. There is no yellow light in their propulsion system, which again is a prime color like the other two. Now just glancing at that system it makes no sense but there is a sense to this scheme.

seems like you might not know that the idea of a primary color is just human perception (3 colors detected in the eye), and not even all humans at that. I am an example as I see at least 4 primary colors, and a few others do as well even though it is fairly rare.
when looking from a physics point of view, there is a spectrum of colors, and it is way way more than the 7 that most humans have decided to identify. and green is just as valid as red or blue from that point of view

[Gambeir]

Ok, first I will say next...
If we make a start from frequencies, then obviously we ne ed to keep in mind the gradients. Gradients are the frequency difference. When we move from high frequency to low. Well, imagine that we have such a gradient in space. We are flying meter by meter deep into space, and the frequencies around us are getting lower and lower. The frequency of what is in space, for example, if we move in the air, the frequency of oscillation of air molecules. This difference in frequency will determine the difference in air pressure. And we will get an airflow, which will catch us and carry forward. This is how frequencies can work. Now if we don't have a frequency gradient, what should we do? We have to create it artificially. The famous Grebennikovs platform did exactly this. You probably haven't heard all the variations of how it works. In general, everyone is talking about the superior wings of bugs and the like. When the topic was not dirty yet, everything seemed to be working without bugs. Everything worked on the interference of light. Sounds crazy I know, but the light was the substance that changed the frequency of something else. We still do not know what is this else was. The method was connected with sequential interference. What does this mean? You must have three sources of ultraviolet light. I don't know why there are three of them, but this is the minimum. After one source of light comes the diffraction grating. Light passes through this grating and diffracts. After the first diffraction grating there is a second one with smaller cells. After the second diffraction grating there is a third with smaller cells than in the second and so on. The more diffraction gratings, the more efficient the device. The minimum is three diffraction gratings. Diffracted Light after all this diffraction gratings mirrored with an ordinary mirror and went back in the opposite direction and mirrored again then it reached the first source with an ordinary mirror also. This is a rather superficial description of the device. There naturally were some other secrets that we will never know. Naturally, no one has reproduced this. But the general idea was to make the light condense in one direction and decondense in other direction. In this process, the light was in contact with something, as I said, we do not know what it was. And in this something a gradient created. So the idea of making an artificial gradient on a diffraction gratings is close to that the crystal lattice of stones could do.

Fascinating and after some digging it might make more sense than is realized. Consider the Unitel plan for light propulsion on the previous page. That system used two primary color lights, Red & Blue, with one Green light (not a primary color). This isn't logical since Red, blue and yellow are the primary colors and are the base of every other color. Secondary colors result when two primary colors are mixed together; they include orange, green and purple. Base colors are Black and White. All combinations of color arise out of the three primary and two bases. Why then has Unitel's propulsion system used green with red and blue? Green is created from yellow and blue. There is no yellow light in their propulsion system, which again is a prime color like the other two. Now just glancing at that system it makes no sense but there is a sense to this scheme.

Now I've not read the 185 page Unitel proposal but might have to skim over it now. The thing is it's important to see that Unitel's proposal was in-fact understood in1953. The evidence as demonstrated in Hollywood H.G.Wells War of the Worlds where both the Martian Invaders and their "all seeing eye technology" both feature a len's which is almost a precise replication of what Unitel comes up with in the 1980's. That just cannot be accidental. These are almost exact replications, one supposedly created out of someone's fictional ideas about alien life and the other created out of ideas about quantum theory.

The point is, that many times we have partial information distributed through different sources, and which needs to be connected together in order to see a whole picture. So perhaps this story of light needs to be examined more closely in order to understand the connection it is making to the Aether, and I'm sure that is where the connection is being made. With spectrums of color in light you're looking for a way to create a force multiplier.

The Aether is just an energy field we know through pertubation.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/perturbation

Sound is the closes analogy to use to create a force multiplication through light. To paraphrase, using some clip and paste information, the idea then is to use light in the same way we use sound to create the highest vibration frequency possible. A scheme for that might go something like the following;

A Rainbow has 7 Colors and sound has 7 notes in Music. The same note recurs on the eighth key, only it has a higher or lower Pitch according to which side of the Scale is reckoned. Each complete Scale of Notes is called “Saptaka” or Septave, meaning the Scale of Seven. Actual measurement shows that going from the low to the high, each eighth note has a vibration rate of double the number; thus, each Octave from low to high has double the vibration frequency in the high as in its neighboring low.

Maybe we could benefit from understanding this better and apply it towards the Alexey. All energy including life force arises out of the Aether. Take a look at this topic covered by Aaron Murakami. I am a little familiar with it and it is as illustrative of the power of these forces as it is mind boggling in it's ramifications, but I think it does show there is a correlation to what we are attempting to refine and to describe.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/21041-electro-biohacking-influencing-gene-expression-w-hv-aaron-murakami.html

Electro-Biohacking, Influencing Gene Expression w/ HV by Aaron Murakami

[Bugfly]

Ok, first I will say next...
If we make a start from frequencies, then obviously we ne ed to keep in mind the gradients. Gradients are the frequency difference. When we move from high frequency to low. Well, imagine that we have such a gradient in space. We are flying meter by meter deep into space, and the frequencies around us are getting lower and lower. The frequency of what is in space, for example, if we move in the air, the frequency of oscillation of air molecules. This difference in frequency will determine the difference in air pressure. And we will get an airflow, which will catch us and carry forward. This is how frequencies can work. Now if we don't have a frequency gradient, what should we do? We have to create it artificially. The famous Grebennikovs platform did exactly this. You probably haven't heard all the variations of how it works. In general, everyone is talking about the superior wings of bugs and the like. When the topic was not dirty yet, everything seemed to be working without bugs. Everything worked on the interference of light. Sounds crazy I know, but the light was the substance that changed the frequency of something else. We still do not know what is this else was. The method was connected with sequential interference. What does this mean? You must have three sources of ultraviolet light. I don't know why there are three of them, but this is the minimum. After one source of light comes the diffraction grating. Light passes through this grating and diffracts. After the first diffraction grating there is a second one with smaller cells. After the second diffraction grating there is a third with smaller cells than in the second and so on. The more diffraction gratings, the more efficient the device. The minimum is three diffraction gratings. Diffracted Light after all this diffraction gratings mirrored with an ordinary mirror and went back in the opposit direction and mirrored again then it reached the first source with an ordinary mirror also. This is a rather superficial description of the device. There naturally were some other secrets that we will never know. Naturally, no one has reproduced this. But the general idea was to make the light condense in one direction and decondense in other direction. In this process, the light was in contact with something, as I said, we do not know what it was. And in this something a gradient created. So the idea of making an artificial gradient on a diffraction gratings is close to that the crystal lattice of stones could do.

[Gambeir]

At first the idea of grinding stones seemed a bit crazy, yet there was sense to it, and then there was the fact that they were stones, and of course I had been toying with the stories about levitating stones, and then I stumbled in to the video of the guy showing how to magnetize two rocks. Out of the blue comes Bugsfly's stone grinders. Well the way Universe works is to send us emails and most times we are just so mind controlled we can't see what the message is, and that's if we even realize that we've just gotten an email from Universe. Well this stone grinder business was clearly an email but what was it trying to tell me?

Now naturally my first thoughts about the giant stones is that they were made to levitate, and of course I thought of the normal things like horns, drums, humming tones, stamping feet and dancing to high pitched wails. None of these seemed likely, and then I found the video on the guy magnetizing stones by circling it with another stone. Ok so now we have an Alexey rotating magnetic field to play with around the giant ancient stones, so there's now more besides dancing suggestively while pulling on our hair ect, ect. So then I thought well the ancients might have known that rolling rocks around rocks could perhaps magnetize the stones and then the vibrations of the singing, humming, ect might also then play a role, but ya know there's one idea I hadn't considered and that was grinding stones. Put it all together and you now have a slightly more plausible story to tell about how to go about making giant round stones levitate.

I want to point something out about the Alexey Machine and that is it's using a Tesla coil, and Tesla Coils make hypersonic sounds we can't hear, and so do you think that maybe all those grinding stones supposed used to grind corn or whatever might just have another purpose? Have you seen some of those grinding bowls with their coarse surfaces? Suppose those were instead being used to transmit energy waves. Doesn't it make sense that doing that would induce a sympathetic response in another object?

Now with the Alexey we have these sonic sound devices, and then we have this other sound device which we haven't been paying attention to that comes out of the high frequency fields, and so now we have a High Voltage AC plate which is probably making hypersonic sound waves in addition to whatever else it may be doing. The more I think about it the less I'm convinced that a typical traditional explanation will explain the phenomena of the Alexey. Stone grinding on stone which has these crystalline formations and piezo electric qualities and so what else is it doing?

The Aether energy field is the counter spacial, which creates by way of disturbances in it's field the products of magnetism, electricty, light, sound, and gravity.

[Gambeir]

OK, well enough of this, let's talk about rocks Bugsfly. Round ones and what they say about our reality? I know you have some ideas on that so lets just discuss this a little bit shall we?
I have to take a power nap to recharge, but we can get in to this because I don't think these stones are just because people across the planet thought; "Oh hey, let's all carve some
big rocks in to round shapes like the moon, I think it was done knowing something we don't and I don't think that the global incidence of these stones is accidental. Now of course
one factor in these stones is their quartz crystals and another are other compounds with a crystalline composition, and of course we all know about the Tibetan Sound Levitation of stones.

A couple of quick toss in links for food.
Tibetan Sound Levitation Of Large Stones
Mega Geometry: Tibetan Monks and the Geometry of Levitating Stones

[Gambeir]

By suggestion of Gambeir moved from the topic An Inquiry into Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs and Replications to this thread. It is about how Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs can work.

Gambeir, Thank A lot for the welcome!
I must say that I am pretty mediocre opinion about Einstein and other similar theories with hyper-space, time shifts and the like vice, which do not introduce any practical clues for reality, but only exist in their speculative space.

Yes, well I am in agreement with you. Einstein's ideas are a vast departure from pre-existing ideas about the Aether. Einsteins ideas about the way things work have value but are not accurate. I wouldn't go so far as call his ideas garbage but I would approach them with caution.

The older I get the more I know I don't know. I'm not a scientist: I'm not anything any longer. I'm retired and so I sort do what a researcher and scribbler with minor academic training in methodologies of criminal investigation might do when they have nothing else better to do. Mainly I tend to cause problems. It's what the retired do in America. Most do it just because that's all they know how to do, but I do it with meaning and a focus, so hopefully in the end it won't all be pointless.

Now a scientist is someone who does real world experiments and validates their ideas through real world demonstration of physical observable facts. We have scientists here on this forum, it's just that they themselves don't know it, but they are real scientists nevertheless.

The main thing is that when we are on this topic of how this device works what I do is to use all the tools in the box. Now this business about light speed being reduced comes out the patents of this guy named John Quincy St. Claire.

Who is Inventor John Quincy St. Claire?

https://steemit.com/history/@scubasteve/who-is-inventor-john-quincy-st-clair

This is pretty interesting if you know enough about British History and the origins of law enforcement. The term Sheriff comes down to us originally by way of the King's tax collector, known as the Shire's Eiff/eff. This man had at his disposal 100 good men, for tracking down highwaymen and other bad men, and for of course collecting taxes for the King. There's a small title of little nobility granted by a Baronage to the name in ancient history.

See these patents.

https://patents.google.com/?assignee=john+quincy+st.+clair&oq=john+quincy+st.+clair+

What you describe can certainly be, any phenomenon can be described in an infinite number of ways. But you need to cling to something really working in practice. If there is nothing like that, You need to look for the most likely option, which in terms of technology can only be an option, from the point of view of technology, there can only be an option where the greatest influence of force factors is seen, those factors that are weak should be discarded and then one can come to the basic phenomenon from the point of view of force interactions.

Yes, that's correct, one can describe things one way without being right even though it may seem correct, and again you are correct in that this is primarily what todays self described scientists do.

This really goes directly back to the perversion of knowledge under Einstein.

About the creation of a charged sheath vortex with an outer sheath containing positive ion charged air molecules, and with an inner sheath of negatively charged air molecules. Something interesting can happen here only near the surface of a disc with textured aluminum. Pimples of textured aluminum can create turbulence in the air. As for the air vortex, I am only talking about the air vortex, it is possible that there may be some other kind of vortex inside the surface of the Fermi disk, electrons in the crystal lattice of the disk can create a kind of vortex, but the whole air whirlwind around the discs is so weak that it seems to me to be neglected. We can only consider its effect on the turbulence around the pimples of textured aluminum, small swirls around them can be quite strong.

From this point of view, the strong fields will be only inside the disks, in the aluminum itself. For example: what happens to the electrons in the central disc? They are affected by the Lorentz force, centrifugal force, and also the force of inertia tends to leave them in place. Add to this the influence of statics constantly injected into the central disk by means of kacher. And yes, even in the memory of the electric field, which is created by the two remaining disks. What happens in the central disk? This is the strongest part of the whole experiment from the point of view of force interaction.

Understanding cyclonic action with electrical charge theory is not a normal practice. It isn't for example something common to weather knowledge or aviation science. It isn't even widely known.

Still I understand what you're saying. We may address this idea further and more specifically as we progress.

About the dome shaped to enhance the effect. The piezoelectric speaker may well shake the disks, at the micro level of course. And it can quite create whimsical combinations of different forms. As for the textured aluminum disc, there is no need to create anything there, the effect can actually increase there. Each pimple is a kind of dome. And here's the question: what will happen if we move such a dome forward? A spiral current will immediately appear around the dome. When you stir the tea by the spoon it appears the funnel. These are inverse things. You can take for example a cone to immerse it under water and drag it forward. There will be twists around the cone. And this phenomenon is pretty strong. This is point of view from the strongest phenomena in the device, they must be borne in mind and combine somehow.

Excellent points to consider.

As for the weaker phenomena and official speculative theories, then it seems to me that they need to be discarded.

I don't discard too many things. I don't like to close the doors on anything. Once you do that you become blind to what might be. I do understand what you're saying and would generally agree with you.

I apologize if you somehow belong to the official scientific community. I'm just an engineer, and I have to do something real, and in my work around there are a lot of scientists who don’t know Nichrome and give instructions in the style of the theory of relativity. Try and do what they want. Well, our scientists have a kind of privileged caste. It is more about money and status than achievements. Therefore, in our country it is precisely this attitude towards scientists. Well, respectively, to their theories do not correlate with practice. All these time shifts... In short, we perceive only what you can check for yourself. I apologize again if I hurt You...

America is exactly the same. America is more like the Soviet Union was than when Russia was the Soviet Union. Americans just don't yet realize it is all.
You're not going to offend me. To do that you have be trying to kill me, something a few have actually tried by the way, so far without success. I expect
possibly a few more attempts before the Jig is up. Lol~