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  • bistander
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    Just a simple question

    I didn't say I agree, or disagree. I did not say anybody is right, or wrong. I simply asked Turion if he agrees with your description of how your (and his) generators operate.

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Does this describe what happens in your generator?
    This is the magnetic cogging you talk about. It is an opposition
    force in generators. Care to explain it better? Or are you going to say
    the fields all help each other and that generators have no opposing
    fields in them.

    Is that right BI? Generator fields today all work in perfect harmony?

    Most generators don't have hard magnets but they still all do the same
    thing. Take a stepper motor. When you try to generate with one the
    rotor is opposed on the approach and on it's departure of TDC.

    So give us all the reasons why I am wrong. You have no clue.


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  • bistander
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    How about this part?

    Originally posted by Turion
    Yes and No.
    His is a generalized description of what WE are doing, not commercial generators
    Does this describe what happens in your generator?

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    ...

    At TDC the hard magnet is still and will always be a north but the
    north field that the coil collected up from the hard magnet flips to a
    south field after TDC as it moves away keeping the hard magnet back
    keeping the hard magnet from moving on around the circle.
    ...

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  • bistander
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    Question for Turion

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    ...

    When a rotor magnet gets close to a generator coil on the market today
    the coil sees the magnet getting closer and closer then the magnetism
    or flux begins to build up in the coil making it's field the same as the
    hard magnets polarity. Okay got that? Let's say the the rotor magnet
    that is on it's way to the coil and core is a NORTH. Okay? It is a north
    hard magnet and the coil makes itself a NORTH field. NOW, I ask you
    what happens when to magnets that are north poles are forced close
    together?

    Yes two magnets of the same polarity will resist each other or fight against
    coming close together. This is how a conventional generator coil works
    because this is what factories build. So now the two north poles were
    forced tight together and they are right on top of each other. This is called
    TDC.

    At TDC the hard magnet is still and will always be a north but the
    north field that the coil collected up from the hard magnet flips to a
    south field after TDC as it moves away keeping the hard magnet back
    keeping the hard magnet from moving on around the circle.
    ...
    Hey Turion,

    Do you agree with BM's explanation?

    bi

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  • BroMikey
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    I learned something from Thane just like I learned stuff from my
    experiments. Thane's first test was using 30awg wire got 100ma and I
    got that also using good cores and 50lb magnets.

    His coils looked like about 10,000 ft of wire. He tried many flux path
    re-routing experiments that only a trained eye in some cases would
    see.

    Next i learned from Dave that 23awg gave 500ma but 3 separate
    conductor giving 500ma each at far less feet per circuit. This is 1500ma
    per coil with voltages down in a usable range at 100-200vac.

    Now looking at the wire ratings in the transmission column it shows
    a max of 700ma for 23awg. Next the 25awg was max 500ma, this is
    for a big coil not short runs that these ratings are good for.

    Now using tiny magnets of 9lb each not 50lbs like my larger rotor I
    would like to see what I can produce in the way of current per the
    3 channels on the 3000foot coils suggested by Dave and then work
    up by putting bigger magnets on till I reach about 300ma per circuit
    or 3 X 300ma.

    When i do this (Not if) I will have the measurements from both a weak
    magnet rotor and the stronger ones. Of course finding out how much
    extra it takes to drive the rotor. Well that WAS my plan but knowing
    that the counter magnets will cancel out the hard start cogging of cores
    it should not matter how big the rotor magnets are or how big the
    cores are. I am sure there will be a small amount of difference.

    What does that say? Theoretically I could have 400 lb magnets on the
    rotor using a one inch thick steel rotor coming into contact with 2" cores
    and it wouldn't take anymore drive input as long as cancellation was
    perfect.

    All that is left is getting the steel rotor mass up to speed whatever that
    a steel wheel would need without anything but the wheel itself.

    Without the cancelling magnets it might take a huge diesel engine to
    turn a generator rotor that big while the other way with the counter
    opposing magnets could be turns by someone peddling a bike.

    A person using a 10 speed gear from a bike could easily get a 1" thick
    15" flywheel rotor turning and with 400lb magnets that would make
    a lot of juice. As long as the generator coils were this type the current
    would flow and the guy peddling would get a small relief each time
    one coil was engaged.

    If the coils were conventional the minute current began to flow the
    person peddling would not be strong enough to continue.

    So you can see that the system works the best the way Dave has
    explained.



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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Doogy2Shoes View Post
    He tells us a lot of things. When it
    comes to proving it...not too concerned about showing any
    proof, is he?
    Doggy
    You can't even acknowledge the basic concepts of the Tesla patent
    so what business do you have setting yourself as judge jury and
    executioner?

    You have attacked me and everyone who invents something solely
    based out of your inability to wrap your head around it. What Thane
    has tackled is not a new idea, he just happens to be one of the few
    who has the time and money to do it. Thane is flux harvesting the
    collapsing magnetic field. Somehow or another with tronix he is able
    to do the same thing as the principle learned from Tesla.

    You must start from the beginning to understand Thanes work.

    Simply all motors today have a rotor magnetism that fights it's
    approach and fights the departure leaving only a need to dump
    more raw power to get the HP.

    Our work centers on how to stop these conflicts. As a magnet pole
    gets close to a coil we have it so there is no opposition. Then right
    at TDC (TOP DEAD CENTER) our coils thrust the rotor foreword and
    produce. That's all it is. Why can't you see this? It is not hard.

    What did Tesla call a coil that is lenz free? Self---what? Better read
    the 1 page patent, don't you think? Start by thinking about a coil
    that is used to generator power even tho the same coil can be used
    other ways.

    What happens? Do you know how generator coils work on the
    market today? No, of course not, you read a book and teacher told you
    the best he or she could as per the govt controlled book store. The
    teacher must ONLY TEACH OUT OF THESE BOOKS.

    Now i will repeat for the sake of others as well as yourself.

    When a rotor magnet gets close to a generator coil on the market today
    the coil sees the magnet getting closer and closer then the magnetism
    or flux begins to build up in the coil making it's field the same as the
    hard magnets polarity. Okay got that? Let's say the the rotor magnet
    that is on it's way to the coil and core is a NORTH. Okay? It is a north
    hard magnet and the coil makes itself a NORTH field. NOW, I ask you
    what happens when to magnets that are north poles are forced close
    together?

    Yes two magnets of the same polarity will resist each other or fight against
    coming close together. This is how a conventional generator coil works
    because this is what factories build. So now the two north poles were
    forced tight together and they are right on top of each other. This is called
    TDC.

    At TDC the hard magnet is still and will always be a north but the
    north field that the coil collected up from the hard magnet flips to a
    south field after TDC as it moves away keeping the hard magnet back
    keeping the hard magnet from moving on around the circle. More HP plz
    is the answer for conventional generators.

    In order to go beyond to the Tesla patent you must first grasp present
    day generator action. So again, did you understand? And you want
    Thane to come out and explain his work when you don't know how
    generator work today? I can't get a decent answer back that you see
    how generators work on the market today.

    Now to explain Tesla's coils for electromagnets? Can you show us you
    understand any of the standard systems? No. This is why you can't see
    how our generators have reversed the process and still collects all of the
    flux into the core WITHOUT EFFORT or opposition forces. LENZ FREE!!

    And you want Thane to write all of this out for the everyday shmoe?

    Good luck with that



    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-18-2019, 05:15 AM.

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    It's true, this is why Thane tells us that the range is greatly increased.
    He tells us a lot of things. When it comes to proving it...not too concerned about showing any proof, is he?

    I can tell you that I figured out a way to heat a house with an electric vacuum cleaner. Does that mean its true? I should be able to prove it before you say that it is true.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Doogy2Shoes View Post
    That is not true.

    It's true, this is why Thane tells us that the range is greatly increased.

    How he is doing that is different from our work here and does not
    reflex my work. Thane is only now getting a start with his new tech
    discovered in 2017. I wish him well and anyone wanting to bet on a
    winning horse, it's Thane Heins. Anyone with that much money needs
    a place to share it so it doesn't get moldy.

    Thane has his way of flux harvesting and you have Your's right?
    As simple as it sounds Thanes innovation still requires a specific
    set of cores and magnets with there geometry to be optimized.

    Nothing is easy about it.



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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion
    But if there is NO magnetic drag,
    To be continued...........................


    Then there is not much flux being exchanged? Turion knows how to
    spell it all out, me? I just do it.

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  • liber63
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    Ok, thanks Dave. I got a little confused, that's all.
    I think I have managed the magnetic drag! It's not a real issue any more. Again, thanks to you of course.
    I only wonder how you increased your output. I only get something like 8watts per coil at 1300 rpm vs your 100watts or even double that as you mention recently.(don't know at what rpm though). Could you give a hint?

    If it is better I write on 3BGS thread about this, please BroMikey tell me. I know it is a bit different thread here.

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    When Thane shows his E-BIKE circuit in the video it produces more power than it is taking to run the drive circuit
    That is not true and you know it . Thane Heins even told you that himself.

    He clearly told you on Youtube that the ReGenX outputs only extra CURRENT, not power. Watts = current X volts.

    see it here:


    "Hi Mikey. I say in the video that the output current exceeds the input current (NOT power). Cheers Thane"

    This was just months ago.
    So here we may have the truth. Which is probably that Thane can produce only extra current , not extra power. Because he has yet to figure out how to convert that extra current into actual extra power.

    His claims of battery recharge then are dubious.
    If he had extra power , as I said already, he would have posted decent proof of it by now and would have investors busting down his doors to get in on it.
    And don't lie and say that he has big investors, because you know that this is not true either.
    Last edited by Doogy2Shoes; 06-17-2019, 01:50 PM.

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  • liber63
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    Hello everyone
    Hi Dave,
    I have a question. What is the point of your 4th paragraph? We have already agreed that every coil output the most, at the point of no speed up under load, and at the same time, no decrease under load. That's the best point. And of course, that point is for the specific load we use at that time.
    Are you referring to the coil in general without the SUUL effect?

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  • SkyWatcher
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    Thanks turion, bummer, I guess I should have done all north out on my rotor. I will see if I can remove 5 of the magnets and turn them around.
    Can always make another rotor if this one gets damaged in the process.
    peace love light

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion
    Here are the steps to testing what a coil ......
    3. Place opposition magnets so that when a magnet is passing the coil
    core the magnet directly opposite it on the rotor is in repulsion to an
    adjustable magnet. Adjust that magnet until the amp draw and rpm
    are EXACTLY the same as they were before the coil was introduced.

    One coil or TEN, it makes NO DIFFERENCE to the input cost, but you
    get a gain in output.
    Message received. I will do all north's coming up. AND use the smaller
    cancellation magnets to negate problems during start up and since
    I will only be running 2 coils. reduce the drive input costs.

    Don't want to leave out Mad Mack I wonder who he is.

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  • Doogy2Shoes
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post

    When Thane shows his E-BIKE circuit in the video it produces or collects
    back more power than it is taking to run the drive circuit, are you calling
    him a fraud? Shame shame. I guess you are skeptics.



    Thane claims to have dramatically boosted the range of both his Hero Electric scooter and his EMMO e-bike.

    So ... why not make a video simply demonstrating the extended range?
    Show a time- lapse. before-and-after, bench-test video of the E-bike running for an extended time, in contrast to the time range of the original version.

    Better, get it out on the road and videotape the road-result-proof that it goes X number of miles now without recharge.

    There would be investors lining up with millions of dollars to throw behind it if he did that.

    Does he refuse to do that because he is in reality unable to achieve those results yet?


    If he is making exaggerated claims, why?

    If in reality the tech needs more R&D, again it could attract investors
    if he laid out a coherent timeline for what really needs to be done.

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