ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

You apparently don't understand the concept of the FEMM. The black lines show the flux and the more dense they are indicate the stronger field (B vector). Where the black lines bulge out and become more separated in between the pole surfaces along the outside magnet surface is where the field weakens. As I said in my post, the freehand white line was my attempt to show the magnetic potential contour (colored area), not to follow or force the field lines.

The ferrofluid will be more attracted to the areas of the magnetic field which are stronger. Those areas are indicated by more densely packed black lines (like at the pole face corners) and also indicated by the potential contour colored areas.

Regards,

bi

Hi Bistander,

I do understand FEMM, its principle is based on iron filings display of Magnetic Fields.
I understand that curves where they are closer to each other's are stronger areas than when more spaced apart...correct?

Now, on the type of magnet under test, where Poles are so close to each other's...as also being a very strong Neodymium Magnet...that so short distance iron filings or powder will never show such difference in low potential, in that reduced center, cause of poles being so close together...only ferrofluid would.

Point is...your white line is just free handed as you have seen with ferrofluid on my pics...nothing less nothing more...my 3 Years old grand daughter could do that as well if I ask her to reproduce it from pic to FEMM diagram...

All FEMM Flux curves between poles (smallest curves) represent the way iron filings would do...an Inflated "belly" shape.

We have been using ONE WAY DIRECTIONAL particles (FERROMAGNETIC) to find out the Shape of a DIPOLE FIELD...Instead of a BIDIRECTIONAL PARTICLE which is Ferrofluids based on.

Ferrofluid DIVERGE-SPLIT POLARIZATIONS showing a weaker area (shrinked) at Center of every magnet ...the correct way to image a DIPOLE FIELD.



Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Surface tension

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ONLY THEN WE COULD REALLY SAY THERE IS NOTHING CONTRARY BETWEEN FERROFLUIDS VERSUS IRON FILINGS...

Experimenting is good. But the ferrofluid, a liquid, will behave differently than iron powder, solid particles, primarily due to surface tension. This guy explains it well.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PvtUt02zVAs

[VIDEO]v=PvtUt02zVAs[/VIDEO]

[bistander]

Field and potential

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Everything looks fine EXCEPT you have "forced" the hand made white line to sink at middle/center of magnet...IF you would have followed the circular lines...it certainly wouldn't look like you did it.
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Hi Ufo,

You apparently don't understand the concept of the FEMM. The black lines show the flux and the more dense they are indicate the stronger field (B vector). Where the black lines bulge out and become more separated in between the pole surfaces along the outside magnet surface is where the field weakens. As I said in my post, the freehand white line was my attempt to show the magnetic potential contour (colored area), not to follow or force the field lines.

The ferrofluid will be more attracted to the areas of the magnetic field which are stronger. Those areas are indicated by more densely packed black lines (like at the pole face corners) and also indicated by the potential contour colored areas.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

I tried my hand at some graphics.



Your handiwork above.



My attempt above. I started with an FEMM from K & J Magnetics. It is a similar shaped magnet to the very large one in your picture. The magnetic field is represented by the curved lines (B field) and colored areas are potentials. You can see that the field lines are concentrated at the corners indicating the strongest area of the field (purple to dark pink). On the sides of the magnet between the pole faces, the field weakens indicated by less dense black lines and a more narrow band of pink color (indicating lower potential).

The FEMM is symmetrical about the axis. On the top side I have drawn a white rectangle representing the test tube vessel in your picture. Then I free hand painted a curved line outlining the high flux area. It is similar in shape to the outline of the ferrofluid in your picture.

I see nothing in the ferrofluid behavior contrary to classic magnetic field theory.

As for the plastic pomegranate juice bottle, nothing much there either. The magnet has strongest field at the corner of the pole faces, the shape of the bottle is confusing the issue and you can plainly see he deforms the plastic bottle to maximize the shape to fit his verbiage.

Regards,

bi

Nice job in your "attempt" Bistander!

Everything looks fine there...nice colors...neat lines...I mean, if you keep practicing like that...maybe in a few years you could be as good as me....

Everything looks fine EXCEPT you have "forced" the hand made white line to sink at middle/center of magnet...IF you would have followed the circular lines...it certainly wouldn't look like you did it.

You see...this was just a pic from Ken's book...and the correct way to conduct this experiment...is to have two identical glass tubes...one with ferrofluid...plus the other one with very fine iron filings...

ONLY THEN WE COULD REALLY SAY THERE IS NOTHING CONTRARY BETWEEN FERROFLUIDS VERSUS IRON FILINGS...

Until we do that...all are speculations..

Like I wrote before...I have on its way some ferrofluid bottles...


Regards



Ufopolitics

[ricards]

Hi Ufo,

I tried my hand at some graphics.



Your handiwork above.



My attempt above. I started with an FEMM from K & J Magnetics. It is a similar shaped magnet to the very large one in your picture. The magnetic field is represented by the curved lines (B field) and colored areas are potentials. You can see that the field lines are concentrated at the corners indicating the strongest area of the field (purple to dark pink). On the sides of the magnet between the pole faces, the field weakens indicated by less dense black lines and a more narrow band of pink color (indicating lower potential).

The FEMM is symmetrical about the axis. On the top side I have drawn a white rectangle representing the test tube vessel in your picture. Then I free hand painted a curved line outlining the high flux area. It is similar in shape to the outline of the ferrofluid in your picture.

I see nothing in the ferrofluid behavior contrary to classic magnetic field theory.

As for the plastic pomegranate juice bottle, nothing much there either. The magnet has strongest field at the corner of the pole faces, the shape of the bottle is confusing the issue and you can plainly see he deforms the plastic bottle to maximize the shape to fit his verbiage.

Regards,

bi

Hello Bi,

same thing I was telling him.. only in a less academic language.

he might quote some sentence, contradict it.. and all the rest of your statement BS as well..

[bistander]

Shape of ferrofluid

Hi Ufo,

I tried my hand at some graphics.



Your handiwork above.



My attempt above. I started with an FEMM from K & J Magnetics. It is a similar shaped magnet to the very large one in your picture. The magnetic field is represented by the curved lines (B field) and colored areas are potentials. You can see that the field lines are concentrated at the corners indicating the strongest area of the field (purple to dark pink). On the sides of the magnet between the pole faces, the field weakens indicated by less dense black lines and a more narrow band of pink color (indicating lower potential).

The FEMM is symmetrical about the axis. On the top side I have drawn a white rectangle representing the test tube vessel in your picture. Then I free hand painted a curved line outlining the high flux area. It is similar in shape to the outline of the ferrofluid in your picture.

I see nothing in the ferrofluid behavior contrary to classic magnetic field theory.

As for the plastic pomegranate juice bottle, nothing much there either. The magnet has strongest field at the corner of the pole faces, the shape of the bottle is confusing the issue and you can plainly see he deforms the plastic bottle to maximize the shape to fit his verbiage.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

Here is your ****ing slot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG6-QseOpI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUi6Jm9Ghg

GREAT FIND MARKOUL!!.. now what did you interpret from it?..
Did you notice the Double Hemisphere is now forming sideways of what you propose?..

ALSO NOTICE..
when when the magnet is passed halfway (at the bloch region).. the ferrolens behave as if there was no magnet.. well its understandable..
BUT according to your model IT (ferrofluid) SHOULD HAVE ACCUMULATED NEAR THE MAGNET.. but it DIDN"T.. what does that mean?..

also you missed this one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpA_0eNKkdo

This is the configuration I was talking about!..
Magnetic North and South parallel to the Ferrolens.
there were no light interference as far as I can tell.. Indicating the spherical rotation of UFO's Model is wrong, Flux are straight parallel to the Magnetic North-Magnetic South Axis and is guided by the ferro material.

but I must admit there is still that formation of double hemisphere (looking at the darkened pattern)..

and also this one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ueVhG8hT3E

a ferrolens experiments agrees with classical Magnetic field. at certain angle..
and it agrees with that double hemisphere also at certain angles..

I guess this is all optical Illusion.

I almost completely forgotten... all credits to the owner of the video..

[Markoul]

My purpose is to establish to the world the real geometry of the magnetic field shown by the ferrocell.

We did 200 years ago a mistake... it is time to rectify it...

Do you understand how significant this is? If we got the geometry of the field wrong this will prevent us from going to the stars!!

...everything changes even the dipole magnetic field of the electron!! to the discovery of dark matter and dark energy domain!!




EM

[Markoul]

Beautiful analogy

Hello Bistander,

It "was" a good and quiet Sunday evening!!...

Just kidding...



Wrong conception...

Magnetic Field is invisible to our eyes, BUT NOT to the Ferrocell.

Ferrocell "sees" the whole 3D Field Volume, and I mean the whole thing...even the further layers...then print its view into a 2D Image.

Ferrocell is sensitive to Magnetic Field, it reacts and realigns according to the magnetic Field positioning based on its Viewing Capturing Angle.




Bistander, if my analogy of "wireframe" was bad...your "Transparent Pages Book" is even worst.

First off...a book is a reading object, always based on 2D Text and Images.

A 3D Wireframe is much closer to a 3D Field.

But I agree that the wireframe is not that good of an explanation to understand how Ferrocell works...so here is another analogy, which I have mentioned before...

PHOTOGRAPHY AND LIGHT SENSITIVE CAPTURING DEVICES

The sensitive film captures a 3D Image of reality through the camera lens and then takes it into a 3D Flat Print.

On a Photograph you can clearly see/define in depth images which are further away from first plane images.

If you set your lens adjustment to "infinite" capturing, then ALL objects will appear "in focus", no matter how far away from the camera they are.

However, if you adjust lens to Focus on first planes only...then all far away objects would appear blurred or "out of focus"...and there would be a point, where the furthest objects would just appear as "blemishes, or spots" which contour lines are not defined, but faded away.

Ferrocell does exactly this second adjustment, where only immediate second planes would be "in focus" while the furthest away would be blurred out and darker, because of the reach of light as well.

And so even a best analogy would be the "Imaging Sensor" from a Digital Camera...



Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.




How could you be so sure...that we are wrong and you are right?

What or Who gave you such info?

Your lack to interpret Magnetic Fields True 3D Imaging...simply relies in your very low knowledge about Spatial Geometry plus Imaging Perspective Basics and Fundamentals Interpretation...mixed up with a very low capacity to build in your mind 3D Models, before taking them into prints, 3D CAD's...or paintings.

And just because you have a very low perception about 3D Volumes Interpretation...does not grants you the right to deny others who can clearly do, plus show others how to understand it.

First Career I took when I was a kid...was Architecture...and it does helps a lot for this job.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics,

Only thing...is that above sensor is only sensitive to light...and Ferrocell is only sensitive to Magnetic Fields.

You couldn't put it more beautiful than that! Bravo!

This analogy was simply genius!!

Of course range in distance of ferrocell is limited compared with a CCD sensor.

Thank you my friend.

EM
p.s.
I will be gone for a while to Timm's newly thread. These thread here I believe deserves a vacation. I hope you will join? You can not leave me alone with ricards iamnuts microvolt!

[Markoul]

Markoul,

Your mistaken that I'm NOT Interested in this topic, the very reason I kept
reading and posting is because I am..

I have not Closed my mind in what you guys propose here (the New Magnetic Field) unlike you guys have closed your minds in what you see with the Iron Filings (nor that video with the levitating magnet poured with ferrofluid)..
ITS NOT WRONG!.. IT WONT LIE!..

I offer my Interpretation with that phenomenon twice!.. The Flux are "Flexible"! and can be guided.. You nor UFO have not stated otherwise meaning you guys agree.. and are aware of it..

Okay I have an Idea, Let's put your New Magnetic Field models to test..
(don't worry no Iron filings)..

A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through..

If what you guys interpret is correct.. we should be able to see light interference as the magnet goes up and down that Slot..
because as you state It pictures the 2D (Plane) of a 3D (Volume) of the Magnetic field..
in Engineering terminology we call it Section view (I hope It's a little bit academic Language for you now)..

Unlike you I do think on how to resolve the situation.. I don't just argue!.

Here is your ****ing slot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG6-QseOpI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUi6Jm9Ghg

[dyetalon]

...A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through...

Check new thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...ferrolens.html

[Ufopolitics]

UFO,

a fluid Takes the shape of a container..

Yes, a fluid inside a container, of course it takes container shape...and in both cases ONLY APPLIES, THEREFORE, RELATES ONLY TO THE WATER INSIDE CONTAINER.

BUT, FERROFLUID IS FREELY LOOSE WITHIN WATER, just like a drop of water on air...since both ferrofluid shown are NOT WATER BASED, SO THE SHAPE IT TAKES-NO MATTER CONTAINER SHAPE- IS SPHERICAL Under NO INFLUENCE FROM ANY MAGNETIC FIELD.

According to iron filings shape IT "SHOULD" FORM A SPHEROIDAL SHAPE...but IT DOES NOT!
IT FORMS A HYPERBOLOID, AN HOURGLASS SHAPE...WITH A "WAIST"...A SHRINK BELT EXACTLY AT CENTER...

And that particular shape does Not belong to any container form, nor ANY FREE LOOSE FORM.

the Ferro... is attracted to the magnet but is restricted by that bent container..


there is an accumulation on top of the magnet and the bottom of the magnet indicating the ferro.. is attracted on the poles.. the flux now is guided to a less reluctant path (for the academic troll) and would be guided

very similar in the first video markoul snapshot.. there is a fluid in the middle connecting the fluid attracted to the north and south pole of a magnet..
If you were to break that It will and both fluid will accumulate only on the poles, If you were to guide it again (physically guiding the ferro..).. It will make that "Hourglass" shape again.

You are all great thinkers.. that I'm sure..
but to complicate a simple thing such as a "Magnetic Field" geometry isn't very smart..
such things can be explained with common sense..

If you people are contesting the magnetic field is not that of the Iron filings depiction.. then I will agree.. Its not..
because its much much much much.. bigger.. the filings shrinked it BUT not deformed it..
no double hemisphere, nor vortex..

you may have a GREAT theory explaining how galaxies work.. I can accept that.. because we cannot disprove it..

BUT NO.. not the permanent magnet..

I will mention it again..

THE MAGNETIC ATTRACTION.. WILL DESTROY THE VERY GEOMETRY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE.. IN WHICH KEN'S BOOK CONVENIENTLY ELIMINATES.

ALL OF THE ABOVE....PLAIN AND SIMPLE BS!!!

The shape of container influences THE SHAPE OF WATER, BUT NOT THE FERROFLUID!!!

Ferrofluid WITHIN WATER WITHOUT ANY INFLUENCE IS A SIMPLE BALL.

This is NOT TINKERING...THIS ARE EXPERIMENTS AND TESTS!

LEARN THE MEANING OF "TINKERER"...THIS IS SCIENCE...

AND...THERE IS NO "NEW MAGNETISM"...BUT SAME OL ALWAYS EXISTED MAGNETISM.



Ufopolitics

[ricards]

Dear ricards,

Ferrofluid ferrimagnetic and superparamgnetic thin film inside the ferrocell aligns parallel to the external magnetic field therefore the magnetic image produced is a perfect copy of the flux of the field under observation.

Iron filings are attracted by the strongest nearest pole of a magnet thus attracted only by the two strongest potentials of the field of a magnet meaning its two poles, therefore only depicting the N-S axis direction of a magnet and unable to depict the complete flux of the field which has much more than two potentials! They are really just compasses pointing only at the strongest magnetic potential found in an area and unsuitable for any flux observation.

That's all really.

If you can not understand that, I can not help you.

Let's say we agree that we disagree shake hands and you leave this thread here.

No point is staying in a thread of no interest for you and just endless debate looping.

I will stop to respond further to your posts. It is a waste of time for both of us, I believe.

Kind Regards,

EM

Markoul,

Your mistaken that I'm NOT Interested in this topic, the very reason I kept
reading and posting is because I am..

I have not Closed my mind in what you guys propose here (the New Magnetic Field) unlike you guys have closed your minds in what you see with the Iron Filings (nor that video with the levitating magnet poured with ferrofluid)..
ITS NOT WRONG!.. IT WONT LIE!..

I offer my Interpretation with that phenomenon twice!.. The Flux are "Flexible"! and can be guided.. You nor UFO have not stated otherwise meaning you guys agree.. and are aware of it..

Okay I have an Idea, Let's put your New Magnetic Field models to test..
(don't worry no Iron filings)..

A ferrofluid in sandwiched in a glass with lights below.. but this time..
It should have a SLOT in the middle of it for a magnet to go through..

If what you guys interpret is correct.. we should be able to see light interference as the magnet goes up and down that Slot..
because as you state It pictures the 2D (Plane) of a 3D (Volume) of the Magnetic field..
in Engineering terminology we call it Section view (I hope It's a little bit academic Language for you now)..

Unlike you I do think on how to resolve the situation.. I don't just argue!.

[Markoul]

Dear ricards,

Ferrofluid ferrimagnetic and superparamgnetic thin film inside the ferrocell aligns parallel to the external magnetic field therefore the magnetic image produced is a perfect copy of the flux of the field under observation.

Iron filings are attracted by the strongest nearest pole of a magnet thus attracted only by the two strongest potentials of the field of a magnet meaning its two poles, therefore only depicting the N-S axis direction of a magnet and unable to depict the complete flux of the field which has much more than two potentials! They are really just compasses pointing only at the strongest magnetic potential found in an area and unsuitable for any flux observation.

That's all really.

If you can not understand that, I can not help you.

Let's say we agree that we disagree shake hands and you leave this thread here.

No point is staying in a thread of no interest for you and just endless debate looping.

I will stop to respond further to your posts. It is a waste of time for both of us, I believe.

Kind Regards,

EM

[ricards]

And here is my simple graphical display of:

THE TWO POLES (NORTH-SOUTH) AND THE EXACT CENTER DIVISION BETWEEN BOTH.






Now the same simple graphics as before:



DEPICTING CLEARLY WHERE FERROFLUID "SINKS"...EXACTLY AT THE CENTER OF ANY MAGNET

Anyone of the Nay Sayers have anything to say NOW about this completely

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE?


Ufopolitics

UFO,

a fluid Takes the shape of a container..

the Ferro... is attracted to the magnet but is restricted by that bent container..

there is an accumulation on top of the magnet and the bottom of the magnet indicating the ferro.. is attracted on the poles.. the flux now is guided to a less reluctant path (for the academic troll) and would be guided

very similar in the first video markoul snapshot.. there is a fluid in the middle connecting the fluid attracted to the north and south pole of a magnet..
If you were to break that It will and both fluid will accumulate only on the poles, If you were to guide it again (physically guiding the ferro..).. It will make that "Hourglass" shape again.

You are all great thinkers.. that I'm sure..
but to complicate a simple thing such as a "Magnetic Field" geometry isn't very smart..
such things can be explained with common sense..

If you people are contesting the magnetic field is not that of the Iron filings depiction.. then I will agree.. Its not..
because its much much much much.. bigger.. the filings shrinked it BUT not deformed it..
no double hemisphere, nor vortex..

you may have a GREAT theory explaining how galaxies work.. I can accept that.. because we cannot disprove it..

BUT NO.. not the permanent magnet..

I will mention it again..

THE MAGNETIC ATTRACTION.. WILL DESTROY THE VERY GEOMETRY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO PROMOTE.. IN WHICH KEN'S BOOK CONVENIENTLY ELIMINATES.