Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[Bob Smith]

I'm curious, does no one find it at all suspicious that someone else is describing what Tesla did at Colorado Springs, when Tesla himself documented all his experiments in Colorado Springs Notes but doesn't mention anything that the other person does? Is someone telling porkies. What bearing does reality have here. How do so many people know what Tesla was doing better that Tesla did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...6L42nz3k#t=826 (13:47-14:11)

[dR-Green]

I'm curious, does no one find it at all suspicious that someone else is describing what Tesla did at Colorado Springs, when Tesla himself documented all his experiments in Colorado Springs Notes but doesn't mention anything that the other person does? Is someone telling porkies. What bearing does reality have here. How do so many people know what Tesla was doing better that Tesla did?

[Bob Smith]

That was through the earth, which is the single wire system = wireless.

Also not to be the one to rain on parades but the final quote segment appears to refer to experiments at Colorado Springs. Curious, then, that none of the above appears in Colorado Springs Notes as written by Tesla's own hand.

Quite right - it was an excerpt from Gerry Vassilatos' Secrets of Cold War Technology, pp 86-93 posted on John Bedini's Radiant Electricity page posted above by DavidE: RADIANT ELECTRICITY

B

[dR-Green]

Tesla was transmitting power through the air.

That was through the earth, which is the single wire system = wireless.

Simple and compact receivers would be established in every home and factory, set to receive aetheric current through the ground.

This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor... Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires... can likewise be worked without artificial conductors

Also not to be the one to rain on parades but the final quote segment appears to refer to experiments at Colorado Springs. Curious, then, that none of the above appears in Colorado Springs Notes as written by Tesla's own hand.

[Bob Smith]

Hi Bob,

Now you are starting to look in the right direction. In the article you quoted it said the bulbs lit up "like" they were connected by wire. But they weren't connected. Tesla was transmitting power through the air. Something we can't do today on the scale he did it. This may very well be a productive line of research. But it has nothing to do with single wire transmission. Do you agree with that? As I have been trying to point out single wire transmission is nothing special, but impulses of sharp short DC power does do some strange things and that should be looked at. Do you see the difference?

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Carroll,
Thanks for the input and the positive feedback on the "direction." I would agree that certain forms of single wire transmission will have little on common with Tesla's wireless transmission. However, I do believe that certain configurations (not all, from what I've seen) do share something in common with this wireless transmission phenomenon, in as much as they involve counterspace, the aether, ambient, sasquatch portal medium (just kidding )...

I've only had a few minutes to post this and have to step out. I have something else that I will post which I believe will help illustrate further what I've been trying to say.
Bob

[citfta]

Hi Bob,

Now you are starting to look in the right direction. In the article you quoted it said the bulbs lit up "like" they were connected by wire. But they weren't connected. Tesla was transmitting power through the air. Something we can't do today on the scale he did it. This may very well be a productive line of research. But it has nothing to do with single wire transmission. Do you agree with that? As I have been trying to point out single wire transmission is nothing special, but impulses of sharp short DC power does do some strange things and that should be looked at. Do you see the difference?

Respectfully,
Carroll

[Bob Smith]

Per Bedini
RADIANT ELECTRICITY

DavidE
Thanks for this post. There are some (what I feel are) significant statements in this link that speak to the role of ambient energy. I'll past them below:

Noted scientists such as Sir Oliver Lodge, mistakenly thought that Tesla was referring to high frequency AC electricity in the operation of the Tesla Transformer, a huge blunder that remains to this day in the misnaming and misinterpretation of the Tesla Coil. The transformer that Tesla referred to in the 1892 paper did not operate on magnetic/electric field induction created by alternating currents. It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether. Tesla was now operating under entirely new rules which he referred to as "dynamic" electro-static forces and had, by now, completely abandoned any further interest in the AC waveform. The genesis of the Lodge misunderstanding, however, began a few years earlier with the publication of certain mathematical formulas by a brilliant Scotsman named James Clerk Maxwell.

Using mathematical models, James Clerk Maxwell had earlier suggested that two different types of electrical disturbances could possibly exist in Nature. One type was a longitudinal electric wave which required alternating concentrations of densified and rarefied pulsations of electrostatic fields that moved along a single vector (today, we refer to these as standing waves or scalar waves). Maxwell ultimately rejected this idea because he was convinced that this type of wave propagation was impossible to achieve, but his assumption was erroneous and would later portend formidable consequences for Tesla and the world at large.

Maxwell's second wave postulation was that of a transverse electromagnetic wave that exhibited a rapid alternation of electric fields along a fixed axis that radiated away from its point of origin at the speed of light and was detectable at great distances. Maxwell had more faith in the existence of this type of wave and encouraged experimenters to look in this direction. It was the discovery of this type of wave that Hertz had laid claim to, but Tesla was meticulous and fastidious in replicating Hertz's experimental parameters and he could not obtain the results claimed by Hertz.

Tesla discovered a fundamental flaw in Hertz's experiment: Hertz had failed to take into account he presence of air in his experiments. Hertz had mistakenly identified electrostatic inductions or electrified shockwaves as true electromagnetic waves. Tesla was saddened to bring this news to the distinguished academician, but felt scientific honesty was paramount if progress was to be achieved. Tesla visited Hertz in Germany and personally demonstrated the experimental error to him. Hertz agreed with Tesla and had planned to withdraw his claim, but reputations, political agendas, national pride, and above all, powerful financial interests, intervened in that decision and set the stage for a major rift in the 'accepted' theories that soon became transformed into the fundamental "laws" of the electric sciences that have held sway in industry and the halls of academia to the present day.

Once aetheric energy had been obtained from space, it had to be conveyed to consumers. Tesla had arranged for the automatic activation of aether-rebroadcast circuits in the station. The down pouring aether was automatically shunted to side circuits through capacitors. In these side branches, aether pulsed through dielectrics and expanded over the surfaces of his smaller coils. Thus stimulated to more rapid pulsation rates, they were ready for "rebroadcast". Being rebroadcast away from the station through large vacuum globes, poised on elevated platforms, these were the aetheric pulsations, which would be utilized in home and industry. Simple and compact receivers would be established in every home and factory, set to receive aetheric current through the ground. Tests were thrilling. The distant appliances, lamps and motors responded to the powerful pulsations, as if they were physically connected to the station by wire. A small house-like structure was established some 26 miles away from the station. In it, an aetheric power receiver was tuned to one of the rebroadcast rates. The 200 lamps housed within this structure, each of 50 watts rating, all remained brilliantly illuminated throughout the test runs. This apparently stimulated enough excitement and concern for word of this development to get back east.

Engineers were enraged. Those who had missed his most early shift from alternations to impulses, failed to comprehend the vast distinction between "stationary waves" and " standing waves". The quizzical use of specific terms such as these was a Tesla trademark, one designed to puzzle the minds of those who criticized him the most. With the exception of a very few colleagues who continually made related discoveries in aether physics, most academes had chosen to remain totally ignorant of the new study area. This for example was the case with the Teslian use of the term "frequency" and of "resonance" words which had completely different meanings for Tesla. Teslian "frequency" refers to the repetition of pulses per second. Teslian "resonance" refers to conditions in which aether flows with little or no resistance through systems, whether proximal or widely separated.

Great stuff! I have to step out, but will add something else a little later.
Bob

[Bob Smith]

Duncan,
Thanks for your contributions - always helpful to stimulate conversation outside the conventional EM paradigm "box," which is where I believe we need to go. With that in mind, I've copied and pasted below parts of your posts which I feel are an invitation to consider the ambient power possibility in the single wire setup.
Regards,
Bob

There isn't one watt more or less energy in our universe now than there was ten million years ago
The question then is how to attract it and then how to transform it.

current limiting capacitive battery charger

of course I don't intend throwing the thread 'off topic' and really just want readers to accept that 'something different' is occurring in a series capacitive circuit and something quite amazing happens as 'series resonance' occurs, This sentence When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening.
Is taken form this web page

Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

Its describes pretty well the effect . As does this work by George Wiseman he uses the effect to power his house free of charge. In fact the utility company pays him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJA6bHB9jgk

Reverse Your Electric Meter, Legally! | www.eagle-research.com

Regardless of who pays who .. something different is happening! I suggest to you this is the electrostatic conversion of energy as opposed to electromagnetic conversion which is all we are familiar with and all we are taught . It is in fact a type and sort we are not familiar with but in this instance it could be said to be doing useful work by transforming the state of a battery ?Scalar Battery CHarger Testtaken from this web page

http://merlib.org/node/5508

[Bob Smith]

As some have already said, there should be a reason to deviate from standard explanations. I already asked Bob Smith for his experiments and observations that made him believe that "classical" explanations (which include Tesla's own explanations) are incomplete and extra energy is generated in the circuit (coming from the environment). Bob did not answer, maybe he feels that that would change the focus of this discussion from what he envisioned. Whatever his reason is, it is his thread. He can discuss what he wants in any way he wants.
But for me, and from what I read I am not the only one, there must be a reason to abandon an explanation that explains these and other phenomena perfectly.
If you are saying ambient energy enters the circuit, then there must be a reason to assume this, preferably an experiment and measurement.

To me this discussion is about the colour of sheep on mars. And you can discuss all to your hearts desire, but my question remains "are there any sheep on mars?". As long as that question remains unanswered this discussion is fun, but pointless.


Ernst.

Ernst,
Thanks for your reply. Let me offer a few thoughts:

...there should be a reason to deviate from standard explanations...there must be a reason to abandon an explanation that explains these and other phenomena perfectly...If you are saying ambient energy enters the circuit, then there must be a reason to assume this, preferably an experiment and measurement...

I hear what you and others are saying, and am willing to accept that you are getting single wire power transmission via the means you have expressed. You seem happy with the "standard explanations" for these circuits and their effects.

The main reason that I believe ambient power is acting on the single wire power systems I'm seeing is that when configured properly and powered by a lead acid battery, there is no loss of charge in the battery. This tells me that the system, in order to continue functioning, must be an open system. That is, it must be drawing energy in from the environment - call it the aether, the electrostatic medium, the ambient medium, the sheep on Mars medium , sasquatch power medium...

To be fair, this approach takes more work, as dR Green explained. His function generator approach is a more straightforward means to achieving the single wire power end.

I'm not arguing that the standard explanations are wrong in the cases where they're cited. I'm simply stating that they do not suffice in accounting for the provenance of charge to keep a system going when a LAB is employed.
Bob

[DavidE]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories

[Duncan]

current limiting capacitive battery charger

of course I don't intend throwing the thread 'off topic' and really just want readers to accept that 'something different' is occurring in a series capacitive circuit and something quite amazing happens as 'series resonance' occurs, This sentence When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening.
Is taken form this web page

Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

Its describes pretty well the effect . As does this work by George Wiseman he uses the effect to power his house free of charge. In fact the utility company pays him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJA6bHB9jgk

Reverse Your Electric Meter, Legally! | www.eagle-research.comScalar Battery CHarger Testtaken from this web page

http://merlib.org/node/5508

[Duncan]

why then are there pages and pages of scribble here attesting it isn't so?
There isn't one watt more or less energy in our universe now than there was ten million years ago
The question then is how to attract it and then how to transform it. I guess we really have no option but to review the system we do know for clues of the hidden system we don't, and of course the huge energy tank we know is there and want access to.
The electromagnetic system we are familiar with has a well known transformation from electricity to electromagnetic wave and /or back again it is engineered by resonance of a sine wave with a physical space. It is well known and taught there are pages and pages of material and calculus on the subject, still it hasn't provided the required result .. has it?
What one fool can do, another can. ancient Simian proverb.. Silvanus P Thompson


for that very reason its of no interest to us It hasn't answered the question's asked here . (It was never meant to.. exactly the opposite I suspect) Consider this man
and others of his Ilk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2NAohPcT4U

[Ernst]

Ernst

The deeper you travel down this rabbit whole - the more narratives that you will find that "explain" how it works. Each has its fervent followers.

What we are short of is proof that the scientific communities will agree upon. Or should I say proof that the public domain scientist will agree upon.

Technically you should be able to accumulate and utilize ambient power in some form, to do work. There are systems that require less power as you add load. On the face of this, that is not consistent with "it was provided by the power station" as an explanation. And even to strengthen that case, when you drive the circuit from a battery - there is no utility.

If you have such interest, and an open mind many Single Wire Power systems are likely creating radiant or like events - wave events that are harnessing HF high density power that once transformed can drive conventional loads. There is much evidence that suggests that a radiant or like event is an exchange with the environment. In fact, if you really want to keep it simplest - isn't all power energetically birthed (primal source) from the potentials that make up the ambient?

Only man could be arrogant enough to believe that he invented electricity. Nature organizes just fine without man's opinions and perspectives. A static charge? Lightning? Both examples of natures way of balancing the micros to the macros, that naturally occur in potentials to equilibrium. Potentials that build and balanced as a natural component of unlimited forces that exist all around us.

When we pick one flavor of energetic belief and spread it like gospel, we shut off our brains and all other possibilities.

When collaborating to gain new understandings there is no voice less important. Each of us cannot impose our limited "it can only be this" belief as a filter to new thinking.

The largest body of innovation will first exist in the counter-intuitive. For those with such ambition, we must each leave our comfy chairs of belief and join at a round table and exchange ideas. From this, all is possible.

As some have already said, there should be a reason to deviate from standard explanations. I already asked Bob Smith for his experiments and observations that made him believe that "classical" explanations (which include Tesla's own explanations) are incomplete and extra energy is generated in the circuit (coming from the environment). Bob did not answer, maybe he feels that that would change the focus of this discussion from what he envisioned. Whatever his reason is, it is his thread. He can discuss what he wants in any way he wants.
But for me, and from what I read I am not the only one, there must be a reason to abandon an explanation that explains these and other phenomena perfectly.
If you are saying ambient energy enters the circuit, then there must be a reason to assume this, preferably an experiment and measurement.

To me this discussion is about the colour of sheep on mars. And you can discuss all to your hearts desire, but my question remains "are there any sheep on mars?". As long as that question remains unanswered this discussion is fun, but pointless.


Ernst.

[mikrovolt]

The patent application date of September 1897 granted March 1900
This patent suggests more of a contract orientedproject such as remotely energizing and controlling an amphibious Iron duke of sorts. The ground being optional. During this project the Colorado site gave it's best effort that year in accomplishing what the industrial complex wanted that is keeping Tesla busy and out of the way. This industrial complex operation shut down and political demise of nearby town cooperation was evidence as well as how the site was cleared out.

The intended use of the equipment designed is specified on page 3 line 25.

http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf

The term transmitter and reciever differs from wireless telegraph however information spin off of technology did find it's way into radio. We find simularities with Elisha Gray that those hurdles to jump became taller to bring invention to the free market Alexander Bell and the secret organization was given preference by the patent office.

The fundimentals of the one wire using signal generator we sometimes fail to recognize the components are series resonant in the quanitative approximation and then stumble again trying to tune the coil to match the capacitor or tune the capacitor to match the coil.

In line with the conversation of energy ambient the atmosphere has gaseous elements
and there are plate capacitors that facilitate the breakdown of molecules such as water. Remembering that water droplets can hold a charge lets examine a VNA technique to
find resonance that is public knowledge. if the water is precharged then vibration will do the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pEbx46W0aGc#t=524

Could this be done with a grid dip meter ? yes but very clumsy.

[dR-Green]

In Tesla's study of how to convey power through the atmosphere Tesla mentions dielectric charecteristics of gases being insulator prone unless rarified or under terrific electrical stress.
He does describe the (ambient) yet unobservable charecteristics under such conditions.
looking at patent line 85 of page 1.
http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf

That's the beginnings of radio as it's known today. The system described however uses the earth as the transmission medium.

"This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one... Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.

"The Future of the Wireless Art" by Nikola Tesla