Basic Free Energy Device

[Turion]

Spanish to English Translation Anyone?

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/02/11/96/ES-2119690_B1.pdf

[voltan]

hi dave. i haven't tried it yet.it looks like these motors start at about 10 dollars with shipping from china on ebay.hobby stores might sell them for not a lot more.
it comes down to separating the windings at the Y junction and mounting a reliable terminal for the 3 additional wires.
normally motor efficiency with these is around 70-85%. if the proposed timing scheme can run these motors and if it can double that efficiency,then we will have something to play with.
some new pancake axial flux motors are said to be 95-98% efficient.over time these will probably make a better motor/energizer,but for now,bldc rc motors are common and affordable.and the required modification shouldn't be too hard,less so if you have experience modifying computer fans.it depends on whether the 3 wire connection can be got at sufficiently to separate/isolate the phases or add a 4th wire for a center tap.and then room for mounting an extra wire or 3 wire terminal and leading out the wires.if it helps,it looks like removing a circlip at the back of the shaft allows the motor to be separated.this might not be necessary,but if you do it watch for washers inside and out,and reassemble the same. here's a pic of one model with great access to the windings.
i'm confident that they will run well with the mod and the proposed timing system,but the proof is in actually building and evaluating it.
cheers.

[wrtner]

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/0...2119690_B1.pdf

I found it here and there is a translate button into almost any language you might choose except English (and Klingon)

Espacenet - Bibliographic data

[jettis]

BroMikey,
He shows you what he is doing? Really? How is it all hooked together? What is the circuit? I can't tell WHAT he is doing from that video, but I do know he said it was a BRUSHLESS motor. That alone tells me volumes. If all you want is videos, I have posted a TON of videos of running a motor between the positives. Take a look at my YouTube channel.

Dave

[jettis]

Don't know why I could not post more than one pic from my ipad... So I posted again. The pic below corresponds to my previous post, it shows the configuation of the small brushless motor. I run that same brushless motor in John Bedini's Gen mode as well. The possibilities of this system are great and need to be explored further. If one can grasp all this in its simplicity a mechanical tesla switch may be envisioned???
-Dave Wing

[altrez]

Hello,

I am still working hard on my Tesla Switch config. Something that I find pretty interesting is using a battery as the load. I have been charging batteries directly attached to the PWM and it seems to work really good.

At this point I am still running tests, they so far look promising.

I also just purchased this:

TESLA SWITCH

It looks really good and should shed more light on the setup.

-Altrez

[Bob Smith]

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/0...2119690_B1.pdf

[Turion]

Basic Free Energy Device

Thanks Bob,

This looks like another example of what I have been pushing here. That we HAVE all the necessary components to do this. We just have to put them all together.

We should begin with the BEST pulse motor we can come up with. I intend to test Matt's modified pulse motor in comparison to UFO's motor when I get up to my new place. IN vs OUT when run in the 3 battery setup. Right now I have no way to run any tests on anything, and I need to rewind a UFO motor. I HATE winding motors and coils. I'd rather do almost anything else. Of course that comes from having to work in an 6'x 5' (floor space, not counting benches) space in my basement. With two big dogs on the floor under foot, I barely have room to stand, much less move around. But things are changing.

Speaking of that, I am back and forth between two houses for the next few weeks, trying to move into the new one and get the old one sold, so everything is a big mess and most of my stuff is in boxes. If you feel like I haven't been responsive here, that's why. It is also why you aren't seeing any video of builds from me right now. But you can always eMail me at [email protected] and it will pop up on my phone no matter where I am. My Big generator, run by an off the shelf brushed DC motor, is at the machine shop, and I am working on the circuitry to run that, but it is the only thing I have kept out of all the junk I am boxing up to move, mostly because the gen is big enough and heavy enough that I really can't move it easily, and I need to get my '71 Land Cruiser out of the shop to haul it home

If anyone else who has wound a UFO motor would like to take on the task of winding the SAME motor in Matt's configuration, that would be just dandy. Or if you have wound Matt's motor give the UFO motor a shot. The razor scooter motors will work for BOTH as they are 16 pole I believe. It would be great to get a real comparison of power in and power out, as well as torque at 12 volts, 24 volts, 36 volts, etc. Both motors will run on higher voltage and it isn't what goes in, it's what comes OUT and how much torque we get to run the generator that is important.

Dave

[jettis]

Thanks Bob,

This looks like another example of what I have been pushing here. That we HAVE all the necessary components to do this. We just have to put them all together.

We should begin with the BEST pulse motor we can come up with. I intend to test Matt's modified pulse motor in comparison to UFO's motor when I get up to my new place. IN vs OUT when run in the 3 battery setup. Right now I have no way to run any tests on anything, and I need to rewind a UFO motor. I HATE winding motors and coils. I'd rather do almost anything else. Of course that comes from having to work in an 6'x 5' (floor space, not counting benches) space in my basement. With two big dogs on the floor under foot, I barely have room to stand, much less move around. But things are changing.

Speaking of that, I am back and forth between two houses for the next few weeks, trying to move into the new one and get the old one sold, so everything is a big mess and most of my stuff is in boxes. If you feel like I haven't been responsive here, that's why. It is also why you aren't seeing any video of builds from me right now. But you can always eMail me at [email protected] and it will pop up on my phone no matter where I am. My Big generator, run by an off the shelf brushed DC motor, is at the machine shop, and I am working on the circuitry to run that, but it is the only thing I have kept out of all the junk I am boxing up to move, mostly because the gen is big enough and heavy enough that I really can't move it easily, and I need to get my '71 Land Cruiser out of the shop to haul it home

If anyone else who has wound a UFO motor would like to take on the task of winding the SAME motor in Matt's configuration, that would be just dandy. Or if you have wound Matt's motor give the UFO motor a shot. The razor scooter motors will work for BOTH as they are 16 pole I believe. It would be great to get a real comparison of power in and power out, as well as torque at 12 volts, 24 volts, 36 volts, etc. Both motors will run on higher voltage and it isn't what goes in, it's what comes OUT and how much torque we get to run the generator that is important.

Dave

Hi Dave,

If you do not mind what is Matt's configuration?

Thanks,

Dave Wing

[jettis]

HEY JET

What is the difference when you go series? I could try this on my SSSG units. Does it raise the voltage or what? Nice setup

Mikey

Hi Mikey,

Series will lower amp draw, provide better primary and secondary charging and raise torque to a degree... I doubt I have 10 feet of wire wound on that brushless motor FYI. One more pic then... I will not post my stuff here on this thread any longer as I do not want to hijack this thread.

[voltan]

hi jettis. matts rewind can be found in the 3bgs thread.page 60 post 1784
cheers.

[jettis]

hi jettis. matts rewind can be found in the 3bgs thread.post 1784
cheers.

Thank you.

Dave Wing

[Turion]

Hijacking thread

I wouldn't say posting about a pulse motor or a Bedini motor modification is hijacking the thread. After all, we are looking for the BEST pulse motor design as one of the component pieces to a basic device.

Dave

[voltan]

hi all. it might be worth evaluating these rc motors as an energizer as well.they are a 3 phase ac motor,with pm's, so rectified like an automotive alternator,one of these could go well.or maybe 2 of them...
interesting to note some of the RC guys are into this.here's 1 account.The Kv needs to be matched to the expected generator rpm and desired output voltage. Don't choose your motor(s) until you have determined these parameters! A 650Kv motor needs be driven at ~10000rpm to get 12VDC out under load (taking into account motor and rectifier losses).pic 3 shows the motor referred to.kv means no load rpm/volt input.so maybe,to hook 2 of these together the motor kv needs to be higher than the energizer kv, for a matched motor-gen combo for general efficiency or trying to loop.
there's a fair bit of info on rewinding these motors in the rc forums as well.
cheers.

[Turion]

voltan,
Looks interesting. I'll add it to my list of things to try out.