North - South

[cikljamas]

The view from the height of 8650 m from the ridge of Mt Everest:



On the right MAKALU (8463m - distance 12 miles)
In the back KANCHANJUNGA (8456m - distance 78 miles)

Dip for MAKALU : 29 meters
Dip for KANCHANJUNGA : 1 217 meters

HOW COME THAT KANCHANJUNGA IS AT EYE LEVEL AND ABOVE THE LEVEL OF MAKALU???

WHERE IS THE GROUND DROPPING FOR 1 217 METERS AT A DISTANCE OF KANCHANJUNGA?

Now, you eagerly want to see this video, don't you: FLAT EARTH COMPASS CONFUSION : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1PXYThzkU

In addition:

[cikljamas]

For those who are interested to see how we have refined some of our FET arguments: "Equator" problem

[Beamgate]

@cikljamas
Your responses were predicted.

Now consider the two exemplary efforts of the two school projects:

Toy Robot in Space! - HD balloon flight to 95,000ft - YouTube
and
HELLO KITTY IN SPACE - YouTube

Some conclusions might be drawn from these:

1) Helium was used to loft both cameras to ~93,000 to 95,000 ft. (Well above your cheesy lower-atmosphere aircraft photo taken at the cloud layer).

2) The helium expanded immensely at this altitude, bursting it's sole restraint (the balloon).
Look at both again to see it! Really cool! (Of course you will say that NASA later CGI'd those frames too. Poor kids! )

Your previous posts imply however, that the expanding helium, during ascent, may manifest a static 'anti-ether' bubble around the whole experiment, thus influencing the etheric medium itself to defeat the characteristic (well, for most anyway) 'gravitational' influence that, on this planet as you perceive, does not exist.

Yet, when the balloon allegedly bursts, what happens? The static ether-defeating bubble collapses, and it starts falling towards Earth again. Now, how could THAT be? Clearly, new nomenclature is required for this one: REMF (Reverse Ether Motive Force). Yeah! That works.

What a glorious descent these toys had though. All the while capturing, in elegant simplicity, the curvature of our home world for all to see during the spiral downward over and over again.

'Twas a wonderful example that reminds me of the importance of pliable perspectives during our rapid 'advancement'. [yikes!]

Sorry, but did anyone see the 400,000 mile long seawater-fall spilling her guts into the Sun's (in orbit around us?) corona during the return spiral down (or is it UP), hmm? I think not.

3) The payloads (camera, gear, and attached toys) begin their journey (falling?) BACK to Earth (needing a parachute to slow its descent, though. hmm) so that those junior mission-planner parents could take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages on their homes (either before or after) to Professionally ALTER the videos to hide the fact that their 12 year-old children (and teachers and support crew) suddenly came to the conclusion that the Earth IS once again flat! Yes, these damaged associates must be protected from the impending defamation campaign!

Sorry, our fellow humans (represented above) AND NASA playing THAT game is a stretch for me, and I'm hoping you might concede that notion!

Anecdotally:

No need to get your camera wet at the beach (boldly accusing a University of fudging the visual departure of a 100+ ft masted Clipper over the distant horizon) in lieu of these TWO examples.

And YOUR exemplary 'jets' flying low over the water at high speed!

Impressive, but come now!

I'm betting (as a pilot myself) their hands are all over those joysticks making 'minute' adjustments (as one MUST at that altitude) or God help them, they are flying on auto-pilot (radar-altimeter) to ensure things stay nice and [s]flat[/s] err ... sorry, relatively level.

Seek YOUR TRUTH! Are we round, flat, or something better?

As you cannot trust ANYONE with a camera these days, why not give those kids a call, borrow their balloon and SEE FOR YOURSELF!

Build a team! Yes, LEAD and ASSERT instead of filling your basket with suspect fruit!

Slap a GPS(.gov-owned gear though, hmm), altimeter, and supporting gear on several of them, triangulate, and prove that what those deviant children accidentally photographed - is totally wrong. Should only cost a few thousand crowd-funded dollars for a little piece-of-mind, no?

Are you ready to be the likes of Columbus all over again?

[cikljamas]

Eye level horizon - at the Edge of Space: 1st HD Camera At The Edge Of Space - YouTube



FLAT EARTH/TERRA PLANA PROJECT: Flat Earth/Terra Plana - YouTube

NASA says"Earth curves approximately 6 feet in 9 miles"? WTF!!!: NASA says"Earth curves approximately 6 feet in 9 miles"? WTF!!! - YouTube

Why a ships Hull disappears before the mast:



The Horizon doesn't curve, Ships Zoom, Flat Earth : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhhCYYkILw

Proof the Earth is Flat, NASA lies! Part 3 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQowaN6UHQ

Canon PowerShot SX50 HS Zoom Test : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxspo3LNlA

[Beamgate]

This help or hinder?

Toy Robot in Space! - HD balloon flight to 95,000ft - YouTube
and
HELLO KITTY IN SPACE - YouTube

All this from our future flat-earthers !

And the ultimate deception?
Planet Earth seen from space (Full HD 1080p) ORIGINAL - YouTube

[cikljamas]

Tides

It IS commonly taught that the tides are caused by lunar attraction. Sir Robert Ball tells us that :

"The moon attracts the solid body of the earth with greater intensity than it attracts the water at the other side which lies more distant from it. The earth is thus drawn away from the water, which accordingly exhibits a high tide as well on the side of the earth away from the moon as on that toward the moon. The low tides occupy the intermediate positions."

No one who has the use of all his faculties and who dares to use them, need be told that this flimsy apology for what the learned cannot account for, contradicts itself. How could this attraction take place without disintegrating the globe? Besides, as the law of gravitation is said to operate according to the amount of matter of which each body consists, the statements of astronomers that the moon is 2,160 miles in diameter and the earth 8,000 miles in diameter flatly contradict their own other statements about the moon causing tides. How can the smaller body attract the larger We are informed in "Sun, Moon, and Stars," pages 160 to 163, that :

"The earth, it is true, attracts the moon. So also the moon attracts the earth ; THOUGH THE FAR GREATER WEIGHT OF THE EARTH MAKES HER ATTRACTION TO BE FAR GREATER."

How anyone can accept the current theory in face of the above is somewhat puzzling. Sir R. Ball says the moon attracts the solid body of the earth ; but the work from which I have just quoted states that :

"Her attraction (the moon's) draws up the yielding waters of the ocean in a vast wave."

Both these assertions cannot be true. Which is ? I say neither. And the astronomers' own theory of attraction also answers "neither," when it is taken into consideration that the moon cannot attract the earth, being a much smaller body. But if the moon lifted up the waters, it is evident that near the land, the water would be drawn away and low, instead of high tide, caused. Again, the velocity and path of the moon are uniform, and it follows that if she exerted any influence on the earth, that influence could only be a uniform influence. But the tides are not uniform. At Port Natal the rise and fall is about six feet, while at Beira, about 600 miles up the coast, the rise and fall is 26 feet. This effectually settles the matter that the moon has no influence on the tides.

How then are tides caused? The learned being as far from the truth in this as in every matter which we have brought to the test of the hard logic of facts, what is the
truth of the matter ?

The Leicester Daily Post, of 25th August, 1892, says :



This is the answer to the question. Tides are caused by the gentle and gradual rise and fall of the earth on the bosom of the mighty deep. In inland lakes, there are no tides ; which also proves that the moon cannot attract either the earth or water to cause tides. But the fact that the basin of the lake is on the earth which rests on the waters of the deep, shows that no tides are possible, as the waters of the lakes together with the earth rise and fall, and thus the tides at the coast are caused ; while there are no tides on waters unconnected with the sea.

The "Yellow Frigate," by Jas. Grant, page 189, states :

"St. Mungo's Tide. This double flow is somewhat remarkable, for when the tide appears full it suddenly falls fifteen inches, and then returns with greater force, until it attains a much higher mark."

The following is from " Omoo, a Narrative of Adventures in the South Seas," by H. Melville :

"The Newtonian theory of the Tides does not hold good at Tahiti, where, throughout the year, the waters uniformly commence ebbing at noon and midnight, and flow about sunset and daybreak. Hence the term "Toorerar-Po" is used alike to express high-water and midnight."

The question may now be asked, what has the moon to do with the tides? The moon is the TIMEKEEPER for the tides, nothing more. The "phase" of the moon tells what kind of a tide may be expected, but she does not and cannot "attract" either the solid body of the earth or the waters. What Zetetics have stated for many years past, is now seen to be true, but "science" is slow to take advantage of the fact.

[cikljamas]

Back on track:

Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/256388-post62.html

Now you should consider these assertions as a proven facts:

1. There is no Earth's revolution around anything!
2. There is no Earth's rotation on it's axis!
3. There is no axial tilt of the Earth!
4. Whole universe is centred to the Earth! (Celestial equator is aligned with the Earth's equator)
5. There is no gravitation as such. Newton invented it with one and only purpose (to prove that the Earth revolves around the Sun)


Now, we should consider the shape of the Earth:

What is gravity, what is the mechanics behind it? Nobody knows, and nobody will ever find out, because there is no such thing as gravity. See this: What Causes Gravity

Let say that the best description of the "gravity" has been found in these words:

Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/253761-post225.html


If there is no gravitation as such, there must be something else that keeps us from floating off into space. What is that? Let's call it pressure instead of "Ether influx"...

Now, if the Earth were a globe, there should be two different pressures in action on the same spot (on the surface of the Earth), 1: one which would keep us from floatting off into space (this kind of pressure shouldn't be too strong, otherwise we would be squashed instantly), and 2: one which would keep oceans from being spilled out into space (this kind of pressure should be much, much, much stronger, otherwise oceans would be spilled out into space)!

Now, someone should be able to explain parallel existence of these two completely different pressures on the same spot (on the surface of the round Earth)!


The latitude that corresponds to the Mach number M =1 is 45 degree north and south. The third principal region is designated for the subsonic and incompressible flow, M = 0.3. Consider the mean temperature of the air to be 10 degree C (= 283 degree K). (The mean temperature drops from the equatorial value as you move toward north and south poles.) In this case, the speed of sound is equal to 336 m/s, since V = 0.3 a, hence the spinning speed is equal to 100.8 m/s (363 km/hr). The latitude that corresponds to the Mach number M = 0.3 is 77 degree north and south.

Now, try to figure out "the mystery" of a blue region on the next picture:

[Ernst]

Exactly. You prove it again and again and again.
All these "now kneel down and repent" messages are really messages to yourself, aren't they?
Whatever it is that you are here for, being an utter homophobic assh0le (and then express myself very gently) and proud of it, is not going to help you in any way.
You better start listening to yourself.

Good luck, you have a long and hard road ahead of you.

Ernst.
(btw, not a snake but a dragon )

[cikljamas]

You are snake, haven't i already told you that? Hahahaha... what a complete idiot you are...I don't hate anyone...and as for islam...Al is one who always draws parallels with islam, Al is one who see islam (as a paradigm of evil) everywhere around him, Al is one who made me nervous with his persistent dissemination of islamic paranoia in this thread where this "pro et contra islam" subject doesn't belong whatsoever...I began to think if Al could maybe have drawn wrong conclusion (because i took palestinian side by defending basic human rights of palestinian people) about my true religious orientation. That is why i tried to explain to him that i am not just a christian, i am descendant of honorable Coatian nation which through centuries just defended their right to live in peace on their own...and defending themself they defended whole Europe also from numerous horrific islamic attacks...During last war for independence Serbs had slaughtered 10 000 muslims in Srebrenica (worst mass murder case after WWII), and Croatian army was one who saved Bihać region from much worse Serbian genocide over muslims (which Srbs planed to commit again) in that (Bihać) enclave in Bosnia. During whole war for Croatian independence although heavily bleeding Croatia have taken care for about 1 000 000 muslim refugees (who escaped from Serb's genocidal army), so much about Croatian nobleness, pride and honor!

We don't hate anyone, we don't hate even our enemies, we just fight for our freedom, and that is why God bless us. Snake, do you know which country first recognized USA after american war for freedom? Dubrovnik republic! Shame on you, snake, you are really not worthy of any of my words, you are simply nobody and nothing!

Nobody and Nothing, see this story about brave croatian-american soldier who deliberately sacrificed his own life in order to save many (few hundred) american soldiers that were captured in the inside of a sinking battleship "Utah" during Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBQUinRjOOg#t=2m5s

[Ernst]

Thanks Al, you have brought us to the heart of the matter.
For a long time I thought this was just some teenager struggling with growing up, but that did not completely fit the image that we see here.
What is it that we see?
We see someone fanatically defending an historical lost cause. This fanatic obsession is obviously rooted in a religious notion. Now why would anyone put so much effort in an already lost religious cause. It can only be that this person feels the need to do something that would "please his God", most likely because of some earlier missteps.
What else so we see? A strong notion that "if THEY do something, then WE can do the same"...
What else? A complete disability to distinguish between a group and an individual. Even to the point that future individuals are held responsible for acts that their ancestors did in a long lost past.
What else? A strong hatred towards Islam.
We know where this person is living and we have a rough idea what happened there.
So how does this add up?

Ernst.

[aljhoa]

Al, you have to convert to islam, that is obviously only remedy for you, now cut the crap please, this is not thread about islam, you remember?

правда глаза колет

Back on track:

Life in the Valley of Death - nytimes




Al

[cikljamas]

Unproven Heliocentric Assumptions
When Heliocentrists failed to disprove the geocentric nature that we live in, they resorted to inventing assumptions, many of which are so absurd that the inventors themselves admit that they are unfalsifiable (by implication unscientific) thought-experiments. Some of these assumptions include:

- the alleged tilt of the earth's axis,

- the so called Copernican principle,

- positive stellar parallax,

- uniformitiy of the speed of light,

- lengh contraction

- time dilation

- denial of inertia (only accepting an imaginary and isolated "chosen" inertial frame of reference)

- the earth supposedly moving at a various speeds (in order to account for the observed eclipses)

These and many other assumptions are presented as evidence to each other. In other words one assumption is used in order to prove another assumption. In fact these assumptions are so fundamentally dependent on each other that one becomes meaningless without the other, which shows that heliocentrists don't refrain from applying deceit (circular reasoning in this case) in order to make their assertions believable.

[aljhoa]

Why this video should be banned all over the world??? WHY? BE PRECISE!!!

"Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption... No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education."

"There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life."

Antemurale Christianitatis : Antemurale Christianitatis - YouTube

Battle of Vienna, 12 Sep1683 - King of Poland, Jan III Sobieski.AGAINST ISLAM - YouTube
All Wars Are Banker Wars wmv Output 1 - YouTube

Croatian Pride : Croatian pride - YouTube

Pope John Paul II New World Order Speech at Gandhis Memorial : NWO - YouTube
Pope John Paul II and the New World Order- Infowars - YouTube

Al

[cikljamas]

This video should be banned all over the world.

Now explain why this video should be banned all over the world if you can!
I just hope that your explanation won't be something like this: Because i am gay and i don't like if someone shows negative sides of it, or if someone questions any aspect of that way of life!

We are living in a free world? What does that mean?

Freedom of speech for the beginning! Did you notice behaviour of that scared taxi driver who refused to say anything on that subject, although it is obvious what he thinks about that, but he is afraid to speak up. Why? Try to explain this! While i was watching that video i had a feeling that this video has been shot in North Korea... So, USA became just another example of famous North Korean democracy ...only someone else is Kim Jong Un, slightly different dressed than him...I see you completely lost your sanity since you ask me "What does that mean?" You should very well know what does that mean!

Are we free to rape our neighbours children?

Study "Kinsey" pedophile case (Judith Reisman investigated it), and you will see that it already became common practice in your neighbourhood...

Are we free to kill homosexuals, because they don't do what is in our Book?

Who is talking about killings? I am christian, you forgot that? My ancestors fought against numerous horrific (we were always vastly outnumbered) islamic attacks for centuries, so that you can now live in a free world and speak english and not turkish instead! You should kneel before this! Not just that you can speak english as a consequence of Croatian sacrifice, you can even be gay now, you should kneel before this too...

Are we free to set up people against each other?

You (USA) almost exclusively do it all the time since the end of WWII, and even before that, since the beginning of 20th century!!!

Are we free to call ourselves superior because of what happened to our ancestors?

You should ask that question someone in Tel Aviv, or Washington!

Are we free to kill if some crowned imbecile says so?

You do it all the time!!!

Are we free to torture in another country if our laws forbid it?

No, you are not, but feel free to continue with that practice, since you do it all the time anyway!!!

Are we free to "bring democracy" to whoever we please even if we do not live in a democracy ourselves?

No, you are not, but feel free to continue with that practice, since you do it all the time anyway!!!

And don't forget to answer to this:

Why this video should be banned all over the world??? WHY? BE PRECISE!!!

Killing innocent unborn children had been maximally liberalized in USA - VERY FIRST DAY OF OBAMA'S FIRST MANDATE, THAT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT OBAMA DID THIS VERY FIRST DAY OF HIS MANDATE!!! Check it if you don't believe me!

So, Killing innocent unborn children is utterly allowed but this documentary should be banned all over the world?

It is consistent way of reasoning, i must admit!!!

Antemurale Christianitatis : Antemurale Christianitatis - YouTube
Croatian Pride : Croatian pride - YouTube

[TheoriaApophasis]

Haven't you ever asked yourself: How in the world we got to this point of moral desintegration: [URL="http://www.youtube.com[/IMG]

Creationism is the disintegration son.



Pssssst, you spelled disintegration wrong, son.