Newman Motor Finally Explained?

[gyula]

Hi,

Does this price US $ 90 per 1 lbs include shipping?

Anyway, have you searched this wire at ebay? See some choices:

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here is a free shipping offer but only 7 lbs left (7 rolls by 1 lbs, that is):
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another (not free shipping but) cheaper than your above offer:


Good luck.

Gyula

Hi all,

the unit from Figure 15-C2 or Figure 22-K1 I mentioned as shown in the book "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman", the coil part is reported to weigh 145 lbs.
I just found out that if I acquire copper wire for that amount of wire weight, that will cost me a fortune: where I live the cost of 24 or 30 Gauge copper wire is about US $ 90 per 1 lbs...! (I'm based outside the US but pretty close)
So, if anyone knows where I can get my hands on cheaper copper wire of mentioned Gauge value, let me know... TIA!

And, since I'm talking about buying the components, what would be the very best for the magnets (type, amount and size)?

pjotterkjen

[pjotterkjen]

Newman Motor Unit of figure 15-C2 or 22-K1

Hi all,

the unit from Figure 15-C2 or Figure 22-K1 I mentioned as shown in the book "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman", the coil part is reported to weigh 145 lbs.
I just found out that if I acquire copper wire for that amount of wire weight, that will cost me a fortune: where I live the cost of 24 or 30 Gauge copper wire is about US $ 90 per 1 lbs...! (I'm based outside the US but pretty close)
So, if anyone knows where I can get my hands on cheaper copper wire of mentioned Gauge value, let me know... TIA!

And, since I'm talking about buying the components, what would be the very best for the magnets (type, amount and size)?

pjotterkjen

[pjotterkjen]

Don't know the 22-K1 ?

I will share my replicating as I can, but will be really slow going.

wantomake

Great!

22-K1 refers to the figure with a picture on page 67 of the book "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman", which is a must read, and can be picked up off the internet. See image below.

The portable device is actually fully described in Chapter 6 of the book. The model was described as 'portable' and produced more output power (10 Watts) than input power (0.36 Watts) which corresponds to a COP of around 27 which is amazing.



pjotterkjen

[wantomake]

Long motor

Great to read that some of you are also in the process of building replications. Please keep us all updated!
So, which AWG copper wire are you guys using?
And what are you exactly trying to replicate?
For me, currently I am preparing for having an exact replication of the one shown Figure 22-K1 which was actually tested and ratified by Dr. Roger Hastings to produce more output than input power.

pjotterkjen

Pjotterkjen,
My friend is using 24 awg, but not sure for myself yet. I'm trying the long motor type or the circular type. Don't know the 22-K1 ?

I'm still planning my build as this is not a cheap undertaking. I've many generator, electric motors, windmill generator, rotors ,casings and parts to build with. Would be great to build something that can be improved on as I learn and build more.

I will share my replicating as I can, but will be really slow going.
wantomake

[pjotterkjen]

Replications

Vidbid,
On your smaller size replication, how many wires in parallel will you wind the coils?

From the videos J. Newman had a smaller size motor installed in that red car he was testing. I may be getting a little ahead here, but it's a thought. Another member and I are trying a replication of desktop size. It would be easier to test on like a small scooter or something.

wantomake

Great to read that some of you are also in the process of building replications. Please keep us all updated!
So, which AWG copper wire are you guys using?
And what are you exactly trying to replicate?
For me, currently I am preparing for having an exact replication of the one shown Figure 22-K1 which was actually tested and ratified by Dr. Roger Hastings to produce more output than input power.

pjotterkjen

[wantomake]

Down sized

Yes, I thought his idea for the commutator brushes was cool. I don't know if I would use it, but I thought the idea should be saved.

As for what I'm working on, I'm working on a micro newman motor design. I'm currently looking for a cheap angle grinder. I need it to cut open a MOT. (See the link to a video below.) I want to use the high voltage winding of a microwave oven tranformer as the lower half of my micro newman motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoPHKpCYmg

Vidbid,
On your smaller size replication, how many wires in parallel will you wind the coils?

From the videos J. Newman had a smaller size motor installed in that red car he was testing. I may be getting a little ahead here, but it's a thought. Another member and I are trying a replication of desktop size. It would be easier to test on like a small scooter or something.

wantomake

[pjotterkjen]

Yes, I thought his idea for the commutator brushes was cool. I don't know if I would use it, but I thought the idea should be saved.

As for what I'm working on, I'm working on a micro newman motor design. I'm currently looking for a cheap angle grinder. I need it to cut open a MOT. (See the link to a video below.) I want to use the high voltage winding of a microwave oven tranformer as the lower half of my micro newman motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoPHKpCYmg

Yeah, pretty cool solution!
He also presents his next advancements, replacing the commutator with a Bedini circuit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7rSr2FnVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7a6Rawsrj4&t=32

Why not use a hack saw as demonstrated?
And, I assume you want another high voltage winding for the upper half?
Anyways, a second hand angle grinder should be easy to find.

pjotterkjen

[vidbid]

Pretty interesting, thanks for posting this.

The poster showed an interesting commutator and brush principle, which does only one FIRE and one BLANK per revolution. No SHORT is being applied, which is where the additional energy flows into the overall energy equation. Still, it seems to work pretty well!

pjotterkjen

Yes, I thought his idea for the commutator brushes was cool. I don't know if I would use it, but I thought the idea should be saved.

As for what I'm working on, I'm working on a micro newman motor design. I'm currently looking for a cheap angle grinder. I need it to cut open a MOT. (See the link to a video below.) I want to use the high voltage winding of a microwave oven tranformer as the lower half of my micro newman motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoPHKpCYmg

[pjotterkjen]

New Commutator Design for Newman Motor

Pretty interesting, thanks for posting this.

The poster showed an interesting commutator and brush principle, which does only one FIRE and one BLANK per revolution. No SHORT is being applied, which is where the additional energy flows into the overall energy equation. Still, it seems to work pretty well!

pjotterkjen

[vidbid]

New Commutator Design for Newman Motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8fZIRGhxg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrIGIZ_s700

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HanLTpjXro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-VqBBfxadw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3TwfES2534

It looks like he is using skate board bearings as the commutator brushes.

[vidbid]

OK, let us know when you have the device on your bench and please share the test results!

pjotterkjen

I remember that in one of Newman's videos he essentially says the motor is scalable, essentially, that the motor can be any size, so I'd like to build a desk-sized model. To that end, I'm assembling parts to build one.

[pjotterkjen]

@pjotterkjen
The only way to test my theory is to build a prototype motor with my design or what I believe Newman's final design to be or to build the above experiment in my previous post.

OK, let us know when you have the device on your bench and please share the test results!

pjotterkjen

[vidbid]

@pjotterkjen

To my knowledge, there isn't any evidence to support the position of there being a hidden commutator.

With that being said, I'm aware of Big Eureka's precursor and its corresponding commutator. The reason for its design is to increase the resistance of the commutator contact gaps, but as Geoffrey Miller stated, to the effect, that once Newman achieved what he was looking for, he stopped making enhancements.

I believe that no one can dispute that Big Eureka was the final version, and for that reason, I think it makes sense to study it. Thank you for the images of the spark discharge coming off of the coil contacts, but you'll notice if you watch his videos of Big Eureka, while facing the front of the motor, the commutator revolves in a clockwise direction. I believe the spark discharge is the fly-back discharge coming off of the coil, but that would have stopped once the coil brushes would have contacted the shorting band, probably allowing the magnetic field in the stator coil to remain charged, thereby keeping its magnetic field mostly intact.

That's just my opinion. The only way to test my theory is to build a prototype motor with my design or what I believe Newman's final design to be or to build the above experiment in my previous post.

[pjotterkjen]

[pjotterkjen]

Please refer to the posted image for my response:

OK, now I see your point. You think the coil is shorted when passing over the two gaps. Let's assume that is the case. Somehow the coil must get blanked (here, blanking means disconnecting the input voltage from the batteries) and shorted in those two little gaps. Twice per revolution.

Exactly where is that done, and how the sparks caused by the back EMF is handled, is still open to discussion, of course.

I'll be commenting on some interesting things related to the commutator I've seen in the videos, later on.

pjotterkjen