Newman Motor Finally Explained?

[Duncan]

Xmemphis - Its not really just building things its rather a mental block , In practice just as AC describes you end up doing something practically that shouldn't really apply anyway to electrical engineering . Almost every book tptb (the powers that be) don't want you to study . and most of the effects AC talks of (including Steinmetz) are portrayed in one way or another in this old video.
In Steinmetz maths events happen simultaneously at different ends of a line (faster than light) not a concept a hewer of wood and drawer of water like me like me can easily grasp . That it happens practically and can be done is much easier on old synaptic gaps.
This video was once described by JB as 'an unfortunate event' it was unfortunate for Chris and EPD their life's changed out of all recognition in fact Chris didn't last to long after one of them 'friendly visits' you hear so much about. JB had one of them 'visits' and a bit of a batter he knew how far the elastic can be stretched
you could do much worse Xmemphis than to watch this video many times. take in every word and slowly try to grasp what the hell they are talking about . It is solid gold from one end to the other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7oAlvaC8ls

[Duncan]

why I'm sure t'would be delightful AC although I'm afraid Steinmetz is a hard bone to chew for me. anyway as far as I can tell huge tracts of it have been removed from circulation. It does appear to me that back in the day it was Steinmetz who completely altered the thrust of Tesla's investigations.
t'other place is quieter for assignations and setting up chats.
I know you will have watched this short documentary but Its for the many reading you who have also never heard of Steinmetz, However a little reflection on the war of the currents, the first hydro electric generator and AC power line just who was GEC and who was Westinghouse and the contradiction here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6lYoKBnPOY
At one point In this documentary whilst blowing the Steinmetz trumpet the camera scans across a library of his books ' - alas not many of them available! I assume you've got a private stash to enjoy ?
optimistic for 2017 ?, well yes I know this gigantic change has to happen but the ramifications of the inevitable upheaval must be far reaching. Hopefully It won't be mundane for you anymore. the status quo has to tip soon. By the social /political changes going on - expected very soon.
kindest regards Duncan

[Allcanadian]

@Duncan

Oh in some respects AC very much one of robots , I spent many years in various colleges learning first EE then Telecomm's then HT grid theory and practice and then believe it or not VHF and UHF radio theory and practice . of course thats yester-years when the prevailing thinking was an educated youth was good for the country and so schooling fee's were if not free next to nothing.

No you could not be a robot because robots do not know they are robots and when confronted deny the possibility. Thus your own admission of the possibility in a sense precludes the possibility.

I was talking with a third year EE recently and he seemed to be losing faith so I explained that his studies are like pre-school. They are only the beginning of a very long journey should he choose to accept it. I starting talking about my experiments with AC generators I built for use in island mode. How loading causes a loss of reactive current and system collapse which can be prevented by injecting an external Emf into the generator. I spoke of beat frequencies evolving between generators modifying the reactance profile producing unidirectional currents in an alternating system. I also introduced him to the work of Steinmetz and Weber which is required reading in my books. Apparently he had never heard of them before which I found odd. You can always tell when the programming is being overridden because there is an excitement in the air and a sparkle in their eyes.

What theory can never replace is hands on experiments regarding the theory and curiosity. Personally I found that in order to move forward one must look backwards. Ancient technologies did not use large alternating currents, they did not dissipate large currents through small conductors because this is not how nature works. Nature uses subtle forces to modify material properties and it is this change in properties which is the impetus for external change. Thus one can only come to the conclusion such as Tesla did that the present system is built upon a false and un-natural premise.

How can one presume to interact with the environment when one has built a system designed to exclude it?. It is very difficult starting over and moving in a new direction. However it can also be very rewarding and exciting because the path is unknown to us. Personally I'm pumped about the coming new year and have more experiments and builds than I could possibly finish.

Maybe we could chat in the new year?. Throw around some idea's, I'm always open to new idea's and the forums are like watching re-runs from the 80's.

Regards
AC

[xmemphis]

youre very first post ! welcome to energetics and welcome to the thread. we pad around a different energy source and its very difficult to tell what can help make the connection in any of our minds to the maths and science of whats happening. so it might be engineered . if you don't post what you have done we certainly won't learn anything if you do dig your attempt out and post the video we just might.
publish and be dammed!

Thanks mate. yup, its my 1st post as this is the 1st project (motor) that quite the same as I successfully replicate to run from scrap parts in my home. I just keep on reading and do since the day I registering in this forum. (I just keep the positive side knowledge )

With your positive encouragement, I will dig it wether or not its an outdated project. Who knows, it might reaching toward my goal - to power my home with off grid system.

Will be back with more info soon...

[Duncan]

youre very first post ! welcome to energetics and welcome to the thread. we pad around a different energy source and its very difficult to tell what can help make the connection in any of our minds to the maths and science of whats happening. so it might be engineered . if you don't post what you have done we certainly won't learn anything if you do dig your attempt out and post the video we just might.
publish and be dammed!

[xmemphis]

Happy New Year

Greetings...

I am ordinary guy with low knowledge in electronics but I do like experimenting what ever I can use with in hand used parts. After reading from the very 1st page, I think, I ve already make this kind of motor consist with commutator, some neos from my broken rc helli, single coil single strand ccw, a bike hub & 12v batt.

By looking at AC's vids, I saw its a lookalike commutator used to switch negative & positive polarity which cause the coil to push & pull my neos. I dont have any special tools to measure the efficiency of this motor. Just a cheap multimeter to monitor the volts drawn from my 12v batt go into this motor.

Without any knowledge of 'OU' that day, I do saw 'spark' at my commutator switches (which I made from alluminium tin can & it burnt many time) & I saw the number of volt jump high irregularly each spin while monitoring. I dont have the motor nowadays as I already dismantle the coil to built SSG circuit using the same CCW.

If this is the 'kind of motor' this thread were talking about, please let me know. I will dig my old hdd to find my old pic, plan of the setup & some low quality video that I capture that time. The motor does work with single coil & neos on top. It should work with another 2nd coil stack ontop. (maybe the 2nd coil can act as generator & 1st coil was acting as motor)

I dont know much, but as I said, its my hobby to built/replicate watch it work & this motor really spin, produce spark & it show voltage higher than my 12v input.

Please guide me folks.
Thanks in advance & wishing you all a Happy New Year....

[Duncan]

Oh in some respects AC very much one of robots , I spent many years in various colleges learning first EE then Telecomm's then HT grid theory and practice and then believe it or not VHF and UHF radio theory and practice . of course thats yester-years when the prevailing thinking was an educated youth was good for the country and so schooling fee's were if not free next to nothing.
I enjoyed it once I got a grip of higher maths and so did lots and tried lots. The trouble is it was exactly what you describe 'robotic' however even back then I realized the same area's in each 'trade' were taught differently but never stopped to consider why.
Its pretty obvious now isn't it ? The trail of murdered or threatened people and damaged families says it all. It is indeed as you say use the very extreme of one part of EE and force it into the extreme of another where the exceptional does happen and it certainly doesn't obey any of the classical teaching I have endured. There lies a problem we both have 'conveying thoughts' we only have the language we have been taught to describe things extraordinary, just as you have tried to do with PMH.
As I view machines I like you am only really interested in 'if the principle can work or not' Newman himself ? ?
I like VW Beetles but I don't think I would have liked Adolf Hitler over much!
As I view these things everything starts off as a variable - size of coil - weight of rotor - strength of magnets - number of turns - and just as you say the answer is nearly always somewhere the so called expert's can't go and thats exactly where I try to prod. (and so do you) I also get a bit carried away sometimes and to steady myself I look at some of the video's and work out how I might 'hide the battery' (so to speak) I watched this one by TK (not that I'm accusing TK of falsehood you understand) simply how I might go about stitching this up .(If I wanted to) first enjoy the video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDEIg9ETbA

Now you see the bolt coming out of the fresh concrete ? that is (oops might be) connected solidly to neutral and earth , they are of course one and the same in Europe and usually bonded together at the mains supply (PME system)now called T-NCS in the new idiom even so the guy makes good and bloody sure that connecting nut is tight - It has to be he's going to stick his tongue on it ! Its part of the act The neutral has to be solid
Just like any 230v mains grid circuit there has to be a live and neutral - thats the neutral !
The big plastic box and the oafs padding about smoking and wot not - In the theater its called 'props and distraction' a big box full of impressive looking bollix ! what it does have hidden in there somewhere is a very simple circuit called a latching relay its used on pretty much every motor starter as 'No volt protection' of course this would be a relay with a 9volt (ish coil jigged into it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7SuHDmuVUk
so the box and all the bollix inside would essentially be nothing more or less than 'a switch' of course endless bollix can be introduced -- starting the oscillator on the cap cappuss iliminator - tell the dumplings any O'l crap. feed um rice! ham it up -its part of the act!
so you've grasped the neutral ? it goes without saying both cables in the flex leaving the 'magic box' are connected to the neutral each carrying half the current like ohms laws says, odd that isn't it ? a good touch to the act! you've grasped the switch ? where does the single live come in from the grid and the fuse board ? The choices are literally into any of those appliances. probably not the lights because you can see behind them . my choice to fool the dumplings with least effort and damage to this scabby old hut a little hole through the wall into the leg of that fan thats hard against the wall. (In fact I think I see it -- white? )blow up 47 Secs and give that leg a hard stare . one of the troupe oafs moves the fan slightly -- look again at 8M07s
It could equally be into the kettle base. It really makes absolutely no difference which appliance the single core is sneaked into, it connects the live of the grid via the plug to that multi plug extension lead. (back feeds is a slang term an electrician would understand immediatly)
which in turn connects the live conductor to everything else. would TK consider such trickery? course not honest as the days long ! however I won't be spending much time considering that 'magic box' will any of you?

[Allcanadian]

@Duncan

Just for fun I'll stick with the Teal thing - the guy thinks its OU and it probably is. he notes himself the drive is inefficient ... here's what seems an answer to that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yki...ature=youtu.be

gonna build it AC ? beyond my workshop I'm afraid

I built the Teal machine many years ago...didn't work out. I was younger then and thought I had it all figured out when in fact I had nothing figured out, such is life.

AC

[Allcanadian]

Hello Duncan

Nice to read you AC I too had a lot of fun with the PMH . residual magnetism ? well perhaps in the absence of any other description , a very interesting effect in that the PMH appears to store energy

I have come a very long way and many times it is hard to relate to others notions of how things work. In essence it is a magnetic field which continues to reside in the material of the PMH after the applied field is removed hence the term residual magnetism. However most are not seeing the whole picture, I have one core and it is magnetized retaining some magnetism. Now I use two cores in contact through a boundary condition and the scenario changes. While one core may only retain a small field two cores must reinforce each others field through magnetic induction allowing a larger field to be retained outside the context of an applied field.

Why is this so?...the gap. If there is no gap there is no boundary condition and if there is no boundary condition there is no magnetic induction and one field cannot reinforce the other. The moment we separate the two cores the fields collapse inward to each core as if they were singular cores and lose the ability to retain the larger field once held between them. You see one plus one can equal three in this case because the mutual field is much larger than the two singular fields.

Now we go back in time, not unlike Ed if I have one PMH in a series of many bound in a circle we have mutual fields within mutual fields, wheels within wheels. One disturbance must translate to the next but none may dissipate as each magnetic link in the chain remains closed upon itself. One missing component is the coils which allow the fields already present to never reverse course and continue on like a snake chasing it's tail. Realistically it would seem to be just a better form of travelling magnetism device not unlike a shaded pole device without all the inherent losses. We could call it super non-conduction.

You know in 2016 I thought I might be happier trying to conform to the norm. I made the effort and tried to play nice it's just that at the end of the day I was still surrounded by ****ing robots. I like your posts because your not one of them, the robots.
Happy new year Duncan.

AC

[Duncan]

Just for fun I'll stick with the Teal thing - the guy thinks its OU and it probably is. he notes himself the drive is inefficient ... here's what seems an answer to that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yki...ature=youtu.be
gonna build it AC ? beyond my workshop I'm afraid

[Duncan]

respect your thoughts AC lets and consider this one first

Well the core for one, the core is a spinning magnet but what qualities could change our parameters?. A weak magnet may induce a small current in the coil however a weak magnet also has one other property. A weak magnet under the influence of a strong applied field may 1) have it's polarity flip momentarily and 2) it may retain a weak field, flip under an external influence then flip back to it's original polarity. At which point we should understand the magnet field could oscillate in itself at a frequency not the same as that of the coil. What this means to you I will leave up to you.

and look at a working example of the flipped or neutralized magnet running a COP> machine in the very simplest way I know is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_H...B9B16FE7BE4377

I think is was Bob Teal who got f'ukc'd up for daring to try and introduce this system

[Duncan]

Nice to read you AC I too had a lot of fun with the PMH . residual magnetism ? well perhaps in the absence of any other description , a very interesting effect in that the PMH appears to store energy
an interesting idea struck me when I watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2G28531sI
if the kiss of a magnet can turn off the PMH and the touch of battery can turn it on what happens if the permanent magnet is replaced with an electromagnet and an oscillator produced ? As you know AC the windings on the PMH are counter wound so effectively bi-filer - now if I had the core this guy in Nebraska has got his hands on I'd be tempted - he doesn't seem to realize he has a PMH in disguise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utdrWqrEQyw
Never got around to trying it . Its on the huge 'to do' 'to try' list. If I recall correctly in his book magnetic current EL writes he made a generator 'to make all kinds of electricity' from this thing and also took out a patent - good luck trying to find that! I do agree with your double switching cold electric is there.

Hi Ramset nice to hear from you too. Interesting video, a peaceful 2017 ? seems a mad world right now but who knows nothing is more certain than change.
happy new year all !

[RAMSET]

a residual magnetic field ?

sometimes a visual aid helps the mind to ponder ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h78zDQDBzUg&t=6s

[Allcanadian]

I see many posts with different opinions for and against Newman however I cannot say that it matters to me. There was a device with a theory and I have no interest in people I am interested in working concepts. Working concepts as in what could work versus what cannot work such as hoaxes and the old hidden battery theory.

So now that I have had my fun it may be time for an intelligent conversation. I had built a variation of the Newman device about a decade ago without any prior knowledge of what Newman had done. My logic was very simple as was the device, a magnet spinning within a 3" coil wound on a 6" long x 3" diameter ABS pipe. My logic was that a coil concentrates a magnetic field, the field density is highest in the core thus the magnet should be in the core. I was wrong because the induced current in the coil from the moving magnetic field also increases the Cemf and drag forces due to lenz law.

Same **** different pile and in retrospect I know where my logic failed me. One cannot do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Normal is failure because we already know it cannot work therefore it must be something else... what is this something else?. This is equivalent to me asking you what you do not know which begs the question which parameters can we change?.

Well the core for one, the core is a spinning magnet but what qualities could change our parameters?. A weak magnet may induce a small current in the coil however a weak magnet also has one other property. A weak magnet under the influence of a strong applied field may 1) have it's polarity flip momentarily and 2) it may retain a weak field, flip under an external influence then flip back to it's original polarity. At which point we should understand the magnet field could oscillate in itself at a frequency not the same as that of the coil. What this means to you I will leave up to you.

Another concept I call a "permanent electromagnet" also has merit. It came about through building and testing many variations of the infamous Leedskalinin Perpetual Motion Holder or PMH. Obviously it is simply residual magnetism however is that all it is?. The most obvious point nobody seems to have noticed is that if there are not two pieces of iron with a boundary condition between them then it does not work. One part induces the other and in turn the other part induces the one thus there must be two parts dependent on one another. Strange thing about a residual magnetic field is that it does not diminish like an applied field. A month could go by and yet it's still there. I always wondered why nobody caught this, why nobody wondered why this is or how it could be utilized... if they only knew.

What everyone seems to have missed is the fact that a residual magnetic field is in some sense fluid and unstable. Unstable is not normal, unstable is different thus this is what we should be looking at and not the same old crap we already know cannot work. Meanwhile most experts think residual magnetism is a problem and should be designed out of the system because it messes up our BH curve. Rule number one, if an expert thinks it's a problem then it is most likely our solution.

Been there done that and if you want to throw a big old N52 neo in the core of this device be prepared to be dazzled by nothing of consequence. You cannot keep doing the same old crap and expect a different result... it doesn't work that way. My best results were always some off the wall ridiculous setup where I honestly had no clue what would actually happen.

It's almost a new year so I will throw in another concept I tested a long time ago. Look at the Newman commutator setup... what do you see?. Two switches, not one leg of the circuit but both legs and there is a very good reason to do this few here probably understand. Two switches always cause a voltage spike on simultaneous make and break of the switches... make and break. It creates a waveform which resembles an "H" on our oscilloscopes, why does it do this?. It happens because a very long conductor with a high inductance initially has a neutral polarity neither + or - when both legs are open circuit. When both switches close simultaneously the inrush current occurs at both legs towards the center which is the "make spike". When both switches are opened simultaneously an inductive discharge occurs creating the well known "break spike". Conclusion... two switches do not produce the same effects as one switch so long as both switches act simultaneously. I don't mean close or approximate and you won't see anything unless both switches are perfectly in time with one another which is why everyone here probably missed it. When you do get it exactly right you will know because everything lights up like a ****ing Christmas tree.

If you get really bored start looking through your favorite patents for the second switch. It's always on the other leg of the circuit labelled as an on/off switch right in front on you.

Best Regards
AC

[Duncan]

for your consideration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U

however I woldn't want you to think as David has that a spark creates energy here is a circuit tuned to the other end of the scale (as I see it) - as an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRME...e=channel_page

kindest regards Duncan