Newman Motor Finally Explained?

[BroMikey]

Hey "D"

You mean you missed it last year when Peter built and ENERGIZER
splitting the pos.................?? Dude, shame shame. To bad 4 U.

He posted on the BASIC FREE ENERGY DEVICE, the whole deal.

Can I say it simple? Take a coil of wire being pulsed, no diode to
force the direction of flow. Just pulse the coils, turn them on and off
using a battery to drive a a battery to charge.

However you need a differential to get a flow direction going so run
with 24vdc and charge at 12vdc. When the motor coils pulse they keep
both sets of battery up. It is that simple. Now go do it and see.

Peter did it. I am doing it. Now don't ask me to explain it. It is all about
external circuit paths, not a magic motor, though an "Energizer" is best.
Well by conventional standards it is magic to the batteries but not
hard.

And don't ask me to explain what an "ENERGIZER" is either cause I am
bad at doing it , I just build them. A rotating set of coils is best
switched on and off with a set of cheap graphite brushes.

I my case I am using and off the shelf scooter motor as an ENERGIZER"

Here is what happens when you do the split pos...... it works. The run
batteries do not drop and the charge battery goes right up. This is only
with 2 coils. If you listen to inventors who build these motor generators
you will hear them say that their motor has 5 sets of coils or some
number greater than 2 coils as generally shown in a basic model to
learn by.

2 coils to run and others for generating. In Turions case 16 generator
coils and only 2 run coils. In Peter's case, let me think it was
so many run and a bunch of charge coils, I'll have to go back and read
it again in the "BASIC FREE ENERGY DEVICE" thread.

The lights have turned on for me. I can't explain it very well. Bedini
had it hidden right under our noses when he used a run battery and
a charge battery.

Go find Peter's machine. He is clear about the improvement and he
only made a first step. There is more to be done.

The truth is everybody and their brother could use many different pulse
motor coils designs and collect back the energy the same way and I am
sure they are doing just that. Even Joe Blow's design might work.

Better check out the split pos....

Once you see the effect using the split pos........ network in conjunction
with a properly tuned set (2coils) of coils you begin to realize that it
must be noise or what?. charging both sets? I donno but it does. and it
won't work on store bought motors.

Now it is easy to see the 800 watts Dave gets OU. Thanks Dave.
Thanks Peter

Keep asking maybe I'll think of a way to explain this.

My rotor is coming along and I will be way OU soon. But to explain
it I say it is noise following the waves. Bad I know, me no good.

.

My Dad always explained the unexplainable when asked what he thought

"ME NO NO AND ME NO CARE, ME PUSH BUTTON AND AWAY ME TEAR"

[vidbid]

Flyback

Splitting the positive ? whats this mean ? Where is the answer to this in classic electrical theory ? The inference is that the electric we know and love can be divided into two. when I write this I do not mean simple volts and amps but obviously that the electricity itself is made up of two or more different entities.
You point out Adams , Bedini , Murray, Babcock -- uncle Tom cobbley an all have demonstrated it , quite true, many many years ago in a lot of cases . So whats changed world wide? Why are people still taking out patents on the same thing over and over again?
why if I want a shoe box in my garage to run my house do I have to make it myself ? What about all the other people in my village?
You Rant at Newman Bro and If (and thats a big If) he actually did the things he stands accused of then maybe your right to get your dander up. still perhaps he guilty about as much as Paul Pantone was Insane?
Regardless avarice and greed take over and as far as I can see Newman's no more guilty than the rest you mention - pissing about in a corrupt system, rotten to the core, trying to benefit from 'patents' The result is quite as you observed 'a showman' and a 'free energy circus' we are part of.
Babcock (just posted) is a case in point he points out , "My machines the same as Murry's in fact they are all the same."
So who's patent is valid ? and whats the point of yet another to join the mouldering hundreds arrested in the system? It is simply Newman's machine I consider as for the man himself just another shaggy dog story surly ?
I really do like reading JL Naudin still I have yet to hear of him shouting over unity. Here is the commutator he has worked to



well there's three commutator connections and we have already seen in the 'real thing' which Vidbid posted things are a bit more serious than that.
Just as a starting point Imagine you have the state I have scribbled on the back of this envelope and that you have the wherewithal to turn off or even reverse the magnetic orientation of the top and bottom coil is it easy enough to pick the points where a very quick reversal is required?
If you had to collapse the field very quickly at some point in the rotation what better than a quick short just before TDC and BDC ? (depending on the orientation of the permanent magnets)
There's quite a few things I'm non to happy about with JNL s circuit and I see no way it can be COP +1 still as a very rough starting point - better than nothing





And as I have been trying (badly) to get across that instant (overtones) is very important . I think the ambition is a 'perfect' (or at least as perfect as you can get) square wave. there is no quicker way I know of to collapse a field than to short the coil out for a fraction of time.
like you Vidbid I have no workshop and no ambition to hand wind with miles of wire - still I am thinking of ways this might be tested and shown using cheap off the self bits and pieces.
There's not much point being yet another individual, with yet another machine, hidden in the garage is there?
Or yet another contraption on the circus route - I think there's more than enough Coco's jumping up and down and waving their patent's in the air
don't you?

Duncan,

I can certainly appreciate your point of view. I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time. My mind pulls in imagery of Newman's (Biss) machine in operation from video clips I've watched of the various incarnations of his machine over the span of his adult life. One memory surfaces of one of his first machines, in the video, I remember the sparks which jumped from the commutator as it slowly revolved lighting up the screen, a sort a white-out for an instant, and then a few moments later, another screen whiting-out spark, and then another, and then the film segment switches to another vantage of his machine. Now that I think about it, the spark could have been from a charged coil discharging across one of the many short-out segments of the commutator, or it could have been a spark caused by flyback from one of the many firing segments from the very same commutator.

Convergently, that is, bringing in ideas from various places, I think of Imhotep's design to capture flyback. I wonder if the flyback from the coil in Newman's machine could be fed back to the batteries and somehow be charging them as it was alleged by a few successful replicators. I wonder if the flyback from Newman's machine could be captured as it was done with Imhotep's design.

Those are things to ponder. Perhaps, I'll do so tonight.

[Duncan]

Splitting the positive ? whats this mean ? Where is the answer to this in classic electrical theory ? The inference is that the electric we know and love can be divided into two. when I write this I do not mean simple volts and amps but obviously that the electricity itself is made up of two or more different entities.
You point out Adams , Bedini , Murray, Babcock -- uncle Tom cobbley an all have demonstrated it , quite true, many many years ago in a lot of cases . So whats changed world wide? Why are people still taking out patents on the same thing over and over again?
why if I want a shoe box in my garage to run my house do I have to make it myself ? What about all the other people in my village?
You Rant at Newman Bro and If (and thats a big If) he actually did the things he stands accused of then maybe your right to get your dander up. still perhaps he guilty about as much as Paul Pantone was Insane?
Regardless avarice and greed take over and as far as I can see Newman's no more guilty than the rest you mention - pissing about in a corrupt system, rotten to the core, trying to benefit from 'patents' The result is quite as you observed 'a showman' and a 'free energy circus' we are part of.
Babcock (just posted) is a case in point he points out , "My machines the same as Murry's in fact they are all the same."
So who's patent is valid ? and whats the point of yet another to join the mouldering hundreds arrested in the system? It is simply Newman's machine I consider as for the man himself just another shaggy dog story surly ?
I really do like reading JL Naudin still I have yet to hear of him shouting over unity. Here is the commutator he has worked to



well there's three commutator connections and we have already seen in the 'real thing' which Vidbid posted things are a bit more serious than that.
Just as a starting point Imagine you have the state I have scribbled on the back of this envelope and that you have the wherewithal to turn off or even reverse the magnetic orientation of the top and bottom coil is it easy enough to pick the points where a very quick reversal is required?
If you had to collapse the field very quickly at some point in the rotation what better than a quick short just before TDC and BDC ? (depending on the orientation of the permanent magnets)
There's quite a few things I'm non to happy about with JNL s circuit and I see no way it can be COP +1 still as a very rough starting point - better than nothing





And as I have been trying (badly) to get across that instant (overtones) is very important . I think the ambition is a 'perfect' (or at least as perfect as you can get) square wave. there is no quicker way I know of to collapse a field than to short the coil out for a fraction of time.
like you Vidbid I have no workshop and no ambition to hand wind with miles of wire - still I am thinking of ways this might be tested and shown using cheap off the self bits and pieces.
There's not much point being yet another individual, with yet another machine, hidden in the garage is there?
Or yet another contraption on the circus route - I think there's more than enough Coco's jumping up and down and waving their patent's in the air
don't you?

[vidbid]

So did you build and run it the way Joe says to do it first? If not then why redesign it before runing it as shown? Just curious.

al

Actually, I haven't build anything at this time, nor do I plan to anytime soon, unless I get some more money.

Joe is dead, nor I would I follow his suggestions were he alive.

My design is pretty much the same as his; however, instead of shorting out the coil across no load, it shorts out across an external load.

By the way, I don't have access to a machine shop, nor do I have the time or the money to spend on building my design. However, to draw a diagram and express a point of view to share with my fellow forum members, well, I can afford that.

[fan1701]

So did you build and run it the way Joe says to do it first? If not then why redesign it before runing it as shown? Just curious.

al

[vidbid]

Improved Newman Commutator by VIDBID January 8, 2017



After watching Babcock's video again, maybe what Newman was doing by shorting the coils is what Babcock refers to as "zero-stating" the coils or something like it. I thought shorting the coils would produce sparks, but maybe it's the flyback causing the sparks in his rotor.

Anyhow, I thought why not short the coil across a load, so in order to do that the commutator would need to be redesigned in order to allow an output path from the coil to short out across a load, so hence my design.

[Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w
But could it be predicted and mathematically explained ? In other words there is factors missed out of mathematics (infinite - infinity - Chaos) It is being done but understandably not explainable .
It is engineering towards 'what isn't' (or rather what isn't supposed to be but very evidently is)

PS vidbid tried patent link https://worldwide.espacenet.com/espa...antomFull&FT=E wont let me see the page never mind patent

[vidbid]

Babcock

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOu9uBmPN8[/VIDEO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOu9uBmPN8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WOu9uBmPN8

Babcock does give Newman props.

[BroMikey]

Tom Bearden and John B. both said Newman's machine absolutely works. They probably know much better than any of us.

al

Of course it worked, just like the SSG works or the Adams motor or
the rest of the "FREE ENERGY MOTORS" worked. But this is not the
issue. The issue is that NEWMAN boasted that anyone building his
motor correctly could run infinite COP. That means that it could
run itself with 5000 percent left over.

Of course it works. Chapter and verse from the Newman Bible it is
a god sent invention to save the world? Right? It went round and round.

What an insult to God and man. Buy yours today for $120,000 dollars.

The real answer is here but nobody is asking. Someone on this group
has given the correct answer to all of our questions that show how
many of these free energy motors can be made to self run.

P. Lindeman has shown us one such example. John Bedini used the idea
also, it is called "splitting the positive" wake up people and stop wishing.

If someone would just ask honestly without any preconceived notions
about what they think the answer should be, thus a foolish question, the
answer would come once again. Instead you all are stuck in the past.

Remember John Bedini? He split the positive? None of you understand that.
It is right in front of you and it goes right over your heads. The Newman
motor is the same deal, it will work, but Newman never gave the rest
of the story to make it work.

Newman was a flat footed liar but his motor could self run if someone had
the rest of the hookup details.

[fan1701]

Tom Bearden and John B. both said Newman's machine absolutely works. They probably know much better than any of us.

al

[vidbid]

Tome

I confess Vidbid I have taken little notice of Newman's pages and pages of colourful writing - I did read a little of it but, it wasn't really exciting me and pulling my chain. I'm ashamed to admit I skip read these things and usually whatsoever is glaringly different from standard dogma stands out like a sore thumb and then I dig down into it.
If it doesn't do that my attention span is about the same as a crushed ant. I believe this machine worked but I'm none to sure about Professor Newman's scribblings.
It could be mighty time consuming wading around in what Vidbid rightly calls a tome. and I've got the rest of my life to be getting on with. Perhaps its written with good intent and is legit so please don't let me stop anyone else reading it - I Just suspect it is more likely to confuse than enlighten.
I think rather than try and reverse engineer Newman's machine we shall be better served going back to basics and working out what made the machine tick. having done that we could make the commutator with precision or use an axial position counter/ generator and make the switching external to the shaft.
Note the EHT capacitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

Everybody has a story to tell. The first time I heard Newman's book referred to as a tome was by Paul M. Backcock.

He calls it a big, old tome.

But he also said that Newman made a simple observation about magnetism, that the power you expend to make a magnetic field has nothing to do with the strength of the magnetic field you create.

He said from that moment on, he, that being Paul Babcock, has been on a quest.

[vidbid]

Do I take it he got a patent for this in the end?


JOSEPH NEWMAN: ENERGY GENERATOR
Patent WO8300963 17th March 1983 Inventor: Joseph W. Newman
ENERGY GENERATION SYSTEM HAVING HIGHER ENERGY OUTPUT THAN INPUT
This patent covers a device which is claimed to have a greater output power than the input power required to run
it.
ABSTRACT
A system for generating obvious work motion, or electromagnetic energy (fields of force) or electric current
utilising the electromagnetic energy which makes up a matter and results in a greater output of energy, than the
initial input of conventional energy means and teachings. A first exemplary embodiment (Fig.1) of the generator
uses a contained fluid (117) surrounding a series of aligned magnets (120); while a second exemplary
embodiment (Fig.3) uses a special material (201) held stationary between two static magnets (202, 203), the
special material having its atoms aligned but maintaining the resulting magnetic field at least substantially within
its boundary surface; while third and fourth exemplary embodiments (Fig.5 and Fig.6) utilise a relatively heavy coil
(205) made up of relatively large diameter wire of relatively great length and number of loops and length and a
relatively small energising current to drive a rotatable permanent magnet (200).
DESCRIPTION
BACKGROUND (page A280 PJ Kelly)

Check it out:


Herbert Dorsey

In the following video, Herbert Dorsey says Newman obtained a patent after about ten years.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ItCXXhBNQ[/VIDEO]

Video unavailable

free energy of the world, 100 combination of free energy in the world - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ItCXXhBNQ

Referenced document: http://www.rense.com/general96/RhoSigma.pdf

I would like to see that patent.

This the abstract: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/espa...antomFull&FT=E


The above video has been removed, but I found a replacement for it:

Jeff Rense & Herbert Dorsey Free Energy is a Reality - YouTube

[Duncan]

Do I take it he got a patent for this in the end?


JOSEPH NEWMAN: ENERGY GENERATOR
Patent WO8300963 17th March 1983 Inventor: Joseph W. Newman
ENERGY GENERATION SYSTEM HAVING HIGHER ENERGY OUTPUT THAN INPUT
This patent covers a device which is claimed to have a greater output power than the input power required to run
it.
ABSTRACT
A system for generating obvious work motion, or electromagnetic energy (fields of force) or electric current
utilising the electromagnetic energy which makes up a matter and results in a greater output of energy, than the
initial input of conventional energy means and teachings. A first exemplary embodiment (Fig.1) of the generator
uses a contained fluid (117) surrounding a series of aligned magnets (120); while a second exemplary
embodiment (Fig.3) uses a special material (201) held stationary between two static magnets (202, 203), the
special material having its atoms aligned but maintaining the resulting magnetic field at least substantially within
its boundary surface; while third and fourth exemplary embodiments (Fig.5 and Fig.6) utilise a relatively heavy coil
(205) made up of relatively large diameter wire of relatively great length and number of loops and length and a
relatively small energising current to drive a rotatable permanent magnet (200).
DESCRIPTION
BACKGROUND (page A280 PJ Kelly)

[Duncan]

I confess Vidbid I have taken little notice of Newman's pages and pages of colourful writing - I did read a little of it but, it wasn't really exciting me and pulling my chain. I'm ashamed to admit I skip read these things and usually whatsoever is glaringly different from standard dogma stands out like a sore thumb and then I dig down into it.
If it doesn't do that my attention span is about the same as a crushed ant. I believe this machine worked but I'm none to sure about Professor Newman's scribblings.
It could be mighty time consuming wading around in what Vidbid rightly calls a tome. and I've got the rest of my life to be getting on with. Perhaps its written with good intent and is legit so please don't let me stop anyone else reading it - I Just suspect it is more likely to confuse than enlighten.
I think rather than try and reverse engineer Newman's machine we shall be better served going back to basics and working out what made the machine tick. having done that we could make the commutator with precision or use an axial position counter/ generator and make the switching external to the shaft.
Note the EHT capacitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

[Duncan]

The Devil is in the detail ! I agree totally AC hence I call it flatly 'a lie' Wattless component is Very different from what in the absence of anything better I see as 'chaotic content' As you say education and particularly the wording is designed to confuse . wattless component immediately conjures up an image of 'no power and nothing of substance' Just as the Historical term 'Magnetic current' was off'd I presume to prevent most folks pondering if it may be serviceable.
It is sad when you have to face the fact that the education teachers were at pains to inject into you was itself slanted and twisted out of shape .
Unlike you AC I didn't actively search for an answer to the questions, although I was aware the teaching was flawed.
Most of the answers seem available by considering the technology thats been hidden , tampered with, or omitted. and then extrapolating it backwards to the distorted mirror which is the system we now use.
I also believe you are quite right Nature is the true provider and everything we do with electricity, radio and electronics is an abomination .
I begin to suspect we are using the wrong sort of electricity and its doing horrendous damage.
we Humans are playing harmonics ever louder whilst Nature plays overtones.
Nature will win of course I just wonder if we humans have the sense and wherewithal to turn around 180 deg and run with her before the inevitable collision !