anything that works?

[Armagdn03]

Is there anything in these forums that actually works, in terms of energy? Lots and lots of posts about free energy and devices. Lots and lots of failed replications.

Does anybody have anything that works?

Check out the link below

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10791-peg-motor.html

Armagdn03

[velacreations]

Gegene

Some updates on the GEGENE.

Here is the page of test #4: TEST #4 : First test of a closed loop system with the GEGENE by "Romero UK"

Test #5: TEST #5 : New efficiency measurements with a digital oscilloscope with more power

Test 4 is a self runner, very interesting indeed! Test 5 was more load and better scope measurements.

Test 5 results:
Input: 1805
Output: 3819

[mbrownn]

Did you take a look at the GEGENE link I posted earlier? That seems like an easy replication, and although the use might have some limitations, it would be a good project to play with.

This is a test on a Tesla coil patent. the coil itself will not show any overunity as accepted by modern science as it has no way of interacting with the environment but the coil configuration does have its unique properties and that is why it was patented. The same can be said of any coil

Now lets do a thought experiment

Lets take a coil and pass a short pulse of current through it and lets say that pulse contains 10v at 1A, that current passes all the way through the coil as it can be detected on the way out of the coil. At this point our input has ceased.

What happens next depends upon the circuit but lets assume there is a diode going from the output of the coil to the input and lets assume this diode has no forward resistance. Now a current of 10v at 1amp continues to flow through the coil and passes through the diode back to input of the coil. This current will contain the same amount of energy as our input.

In main stream science it is argued that this is in fact, the same energy that we put in in our pulse. I will argue that it is not.

Why do I say that?

First of all we measured the current we put in going out of the coil so it can no longer be in the coil as stored energy.

Second, if we had that coil lift a lump of iron, surely that iron would fall at the moment we turned off the supply as the work had already been done, but this is not the case, the iron remains suspended until the second current, that is provided by the coil has dissipated

This means we have had twice the work of what we expected for a given amount of energy we put in. This would imply that this second current is indeed additional to the first and is indeed "free energy" in terms of we did not input it into the circuit.

Now if we do the same experiment with a bifiler coil but use the second winding as a transformer output.

In the first case we get a transformer output equal to the input and an induced secondary current which would equate to a x4 output

If we try to lift the iron with this coil we find its lifting capacity is reduced although its duration is the same.

Now lets take two independent coils wound on each leg of a horse shoe and repeat the experiment once more

We get the same outputs as with the bifilar arrangement but now we are able to apply the lifting force on the iron in the same way as we did in the first experiment x6.

In the real world we find things are not as good because of losses

The inductive kickback would probably be 80%, transformer 80% and the lifting force would be 80% but when combined they would be around 20% 80% and 20% respectively except in the case of the horse shoe which has 20 + 60 + 80

Isn't that interesting. Note that is only when we let the magnetism do work that we get anomalous results

Shall we do the experiment and see if that is the case?

[velacreations]

New test by JLN shows 96% efficiency, no OU for the GEGENE:

TEST #3 : Efficiency measurement with a calorimetric method

[African]

Vela

Hi
I will leave it at that I respect your conclusions and will be looking forward to your analyses on those devises
Best regards
Johan

[velacreations]

But it is not what you started with and it is that show me what works
regards

well, being that there was a lack of input, I was posting what I have found to have promise. I am not saying these things work, just that they seem interesting and have multiple replications.

[African]

But

But it is not what you started with and it is that show me what works
regards

[velacreations]

How does the mighty fall you have now gone to proof it to this is now possible solutions come now stick with your guns
Best to all

these solutions I have posted have shown credible evidence and proper testing procedures to convince me that they require further investigation.

In other words, they have peaked my interest, based on their results (and multiple replications).

[African]

velacreations

How does the mighty fall you have now gone to proof it to this is now possible solutions come now stick with your guns
Best to all

[velacreations]

Obviously people on these forums do not want that, so the best I can hope
for is that I show my stuff and maybe some guy in china will see something
useful about it and maybe include new features into future commercial designs.

If the open source community were to up the ante and out do anything with
comparable functions on the market but for a fraction of the cost to build
then the commercial entities will have no choice but to "out do" open source.
Benefiting all consumers.

I have interest in this!

It might be that you are just posting in the wrong places. fieldlines.com is a solar/wind community that would have a lot of interest in this. Another one would be the Open Source Ecology group, they have experience in taking concepts tot he next level.

Maybe we just need to make a proper website with descriptions of it, focused on developing the circuit. It wouldn't be difficult to set it up so that folks could buy kits with the parts and start testing and developing.

[velacreations]

Another promising looking device is this one: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...overunity.html

I first saw it on JLN's site, and was intrigued by his results.

[African]

OU

Hi
In all the time that I followed this thread I realised that OU was only but a dream I have seen Zilano and others claim 10KW devices without any real evidence I kept on being positive in believing that it could happen I have seen people do amazing things but no OU I also realised that to get useful energy that It must be tapped from some existing source and the only source that I could think of was static electricity and the one other source that is in abundance is our own effort that is the same as winding up your clock alarm to wake you up in the morning and as velacreations said show me.

[velacreations]

velacreations, I cant argue with your maths however a desulphator does not rebuild your plates in the same way a Bedini does as far as I know. To be fair I would not buy one of these units until I was absolutely sure about it being able to give me real benefits, even if I could afford it. What I would do is build a suitably sized Bedini or other similar circuit to periodically charge my batteries with, keeping them in top condition and that could be done for a few dollars.

yeah, I agree that is the best path forward. A decent sized bedini combined with an extra panel (or a solar tracker) would still be a lot cheaper than the $1K charge controller.

Getting back on topic, I think we can safely say that there are things that work but as yet the power seems limited, COPs>1 are possible although not easy to achieve when you want high power and they have limitations. So for a person such as yourself it isn't the best news although there are some useful things you can take out of this.

yes, I agree. Still, some of these things could have an effect, even small one, on an off grid setup. Conditioning batteries, lighting CFLs more efficiently, charging more efficiently, etc. There is no one device that will do it all, but each small gain in efficiency make a big difference in the long run.

I recommend you build and test some of the simpler devices to get a feel for how things work and then if you feel it is of interest to you, get into the more complicated stuff. You never know, it could be you that makes the discovery.

that has been my strategy for several years, building the small stuff, try and understand it, get it to work, etc. I've built a lot of proof of theory stuff, but so far, nothing that really impresses me enough to warrant a large scale prototype.

The big issues, to me, is sorting through things to find projects that have potential. There is a lot of non working replications out there, with a lot of wasted money and time (though learned experience is gained). I try and avoid others' mistakes when and where possible, just to save a bit of time and energy.

Did you take a look at the GEGENE link I posted earlier? That seems like an easy replication, and although the use might have some limitations, it would be a good project to play with.

[mbrownn]

Im no expert on solar systems, Im sure you guys know a lot more than me there, like the open source idea farmhand

velacreations, I cant argue with your maths however a desulphator does not rebuild your plates in the same way a Bedini does as far as I know. To be fair I would not buy one of these units until I was absolutely sure about it being able to give me real benefits, even if I could afford it. What I would do is build a suitably sized Bedini or other similar circuit to periodically charge my batteries with, keeping them in top condition and that could be done for a few dollars.

The 3BGS is great for recovering and desulphating batteries but I don't know if it significantly changes the grain structure of the plates, best ask the guys testing it for that.

Getting back on topic, I think we can safely say that there are things that work but as yet the power seems limited, COPs>1 are possible although not easy to achieve when you want high power and they have limitations. So for a person such as yourself it isn't the best news although there are some useful things you can take out of this.

I do believe that it is only a matter of time before one of us makes a breakthrough either here or on another forum. How long it will take I don't know but watch this space as it will happen.

I recommend you build and test some of the simpler devices to get a feel for how things work and then if you feel it is of interest to you, get into the more complicated stuff. You never know, it could be you that makes the discovery.

I always say "keep asking those difficult questions" because working out the answers helps me understand the workings of these devices.

[velacreations]

All you need is a boosting device or a voltage doubler cap dump arrangement.

Like this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd168/Toey1/SolarChargeController-rev-4.jpg

My first attempt. The boost coil works at 20 kHz and boosts the input voltage
into a capacitor up to the set voltage (about 25v for me) then dumps it, but
only up to 16.5 volts solar input, when it switches the boost off and just pulses as
required to maintain between 16.5 and 18 volts on the panel input.

If the solar power drops off like a cloud or overcast day the batteries are pulsed
with capacitor discharges from between 20 to 25 volts depending on input power.

When the battery reaches the set voltage (14.8 volts for me) the battery is
floated with minimal pulsing (a few watts at most) until it drops below the set
voltage 13.6v when it is gets the full power again ect.

I made it mainly as a battery conditioner that looks after itself.
I have the code I wrote for it on the other computer I can supply it if wanted.

Mine works every day it will still pulse the battery with less than 12 volts
input, slowly but from over 20 volts.

Cheers

That is a good approach, IMO. It seems to have the benefits of the expensive system (pulsed charging, boost power in low light, battery conditioning).

Do you see an increase in charging efficiency with this?
What did it cost you to build?
what is the power rating?