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  • Imperial UFO Kit...

    Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
    Hi Kogs,

    Thank you for your constructive reply. I had thought that the UFO kit contained all the essentials required, however if you state that I require two kits to build one of the motor/generators then I will do so. Had hoped to keeps some reserve $'s for the guy who will be winding my motor and assisting. We don't have much money but plenty of time.

    Thanks again..

    Best

    Finn.
    Hello Finn and Welcome !

    I believe you understood Kogs wrong...He meant to first construct some cheaper small motors , in which case you DO need Two Motors to make one...

    Related to the UFO Kit, it DOES have the essentials (except the winding enameled copper wire) to put together a whole Imperial P56.

    The Bearings that comes with the kit are NOT high Speed rated...nor ceramics, nor expensive type.

    Regards


    Ufopolitics
    Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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    • Roger Wilco Captain.

      Wire and bearings to be ordered, check.

      Onwards and upwards.

      Regards

      Finn.

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      • Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
        Tried editing previous post but Pc playing up....

        would anything from here suffice to cut our teeth on while waiting the UFO Kits?

        Maplin | Maplin - The Electronics Specialist | Order Online for Fast Delivery

        Have one close by....well close ish.

        Regards

        Finn.
        Hello Finn,

        I saw this Motor below on the site above...

        MFA General Purpose Motor 19000rpm | Maplin


        They have several with same picture, different prices, different top speeds...

        Just get the cheapest ones for your tests and learning...since you will need Two of them.

        I believe they are Five(5) Poles, and I see easy tabs bent to take apart brush caps...so making an All North Five Winding, would be A good experience and easy to build, in order to compare even with the more expensive and fastest ones on that site...

        The hardest part on this build...is to cut the end ring of one and add it/solder it/glue it to the other cut one...since this operation must come out perfectly straight so no magnet binding with rotor...once you assemble the whole thing.

        So, main part here is to FIRST DO all the mechanical assembly...test that is spinning free, not rubbing...with magnets on, it would have normal drag...then do the winding.

        Use 26 awg (look for mm equivalent) from 8 to 12 turns per coil , the more the better...(2 Coils in the Pair...)

        This Video will show you basically the winding shape in 3D of One (1) Pair composed of Two (2) Coils...The whole motor have Five Pairs...and disregard the spec's of 30 awg.

        The Plan View for ALL N is below:

        [IMG][/IMG]

        This video has the right spec's in the beginning (8TX2 @ Pair & awg=26)...However, in latest videos I did it with (12TX2 : 26 awg)

        It is better to start playing with small toys like this, before going into Imperial...


        Regards


        Ufopolitics
        Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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        • Can't thank you enough for helping a complete, yet interested novice.

          Have click and collected 2 of the lesser speed motors as I can pick them up tomorrow. May have a few extra $ to get a faster one to compare it with.

          Could be a couple of days before I have the time for this so you can have a break from my questions.

          If nothing else my posts and future updates will show how possible this is for someone with entry level electrical knowledge to build, test and hopefully power my street for free ..... Baby steps first.

          Bought the BIG UFO kit to actually get off my behind and do something, rather than read through the hundreds of free energy device e-books being a passive observer just wishing for it to happen......It appeals to me that this method uses existing technology just so differently.

          so much.

          Finn.

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          • Great!

            Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
            Can't thank you enough for helping a complete, yet interested novice.

            Have click and collected 2 of the lesser speed motors as I can pick them up tomorrow. May have a few extra $ to get a faster one to compare it with.

            Could be a couple of days before I have the time for this so you can have a break from my questions.

            If nothing else my posts and future updates will show how possible this is for someone with entry level electrical knowledge to build, test and hopefully power my street for free ..... Baby steps first.

            Bought the BIG UFO kit to actually get off my behind and do something, rather than read through the hundreds of free energy device e-books being a passive observer just wishing for it to happen......It appeals to me that this method uses existing technology just so differently.

            so much.

            Finn.

            Hello and you are welcome Finn,

            I have more pleasure teaching a new member on a new build... than arguing with an old one about OU...

            That little motor seems to have a pretty good sized shaft, that should allow room for the two commutators...

            Your start would be to put together first, the Asymmetric Rotor with the two commutators...so, strip all wire of one rotor to be wound and the "parts rotor" you could just cut wires to have access to GENTLY pull commutator out (be very carefull here, cause they are made of mica and brake like glass, so do not pull from just one copper element, but try to pull EVENLY with a fine "Y" clip remover screw driver that fits the whole or most lower area...or anything that would seat at level under comm...so you could press it out EVENLY, some come out easily...some don't)...set new comm apart by about similar distance from rotor surface as the factory one already on shaft.

            This Rotor with the two comm (no windings yet) would serve you as a guide -in length- to cut both outer housings.

            The way I do it simple, without the need to use a lathe to perform a perfect cut...I cut on the longer piece of housing right by the "shoulders" angle, leaving some room to be filed later on and measure a few points to make sure cut is even, run a guiding small tape if necessary...Then insert your rotor on the cut larger housing and measure how much more "fill" you need to cut off the shorter end to house the other end brush caps...Make sure not to cut too close to Brush housing indentations or where bending tabs are...so you do not weaken the Metal Ring Housing!!...

            Use first some fast glue to just "tack" three or four points on the two part housing ...then check rotation. This way is easier to remove tacks and reweld with glue till you get proper alignment.

            Oh, remove magnets before cutting housing with a carbide disc or even with a steel saw!!, magnets do not like heat!...but I see that motor have a "V" Clip and a retainer built in (two indentations from body cuts) to stop-press both magnets in place...magnets "should not" be glued...hope so.

            Only once you get all this structures made, and secured welded both pieces of housings...magnets tested and no binding with rotor...then you start the winding process.


            Regards Finn


            Ufopolitics
            Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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            • Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
              Hi Kogs,

              Thank you for your constructive reply. I had thought that the UFO kit contained all the essentials required, however if you state that I require two kits to build one of the motor/generators then I will do so. Had hoped to keeps some reserve $'s for the guy who will be winding my motor and assisting. We don't have much money but plenty of time.

              Thanks again..

              Best

              Finn.
              G'day Finn
              I am sorry I did not explain my self sufficiently But I see now I do not need to elaborate any more as UFO has answered all for you
              I was intending when you purchased your first 2 or 3 small motors explain to wind the all North's as the original winding is now apparently old hat I personally have not as yet wound an all North's motor but will be doing so in the near future

              Kindest Regards

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              • Sorry off topic

                Ufopolitics,
                You don't have to answer this if I'm being rude to post here this question.

                I was a part of this adventure in the beginning and enjoyed with much learning, the modified motor generator I built from your instructions. I stopped cause can't afford the imperial motor, but still keep up reading here. Thanks for those good times.
                Have been working on the elusive lockridge device for some time now. That's the reason I ask you.

                Here is my question if you don't mind;
                Will a high end 3D cad program with electrical, electronics,electromagnetic, transformer effect and the such, would it show all the effects each part of the device and how to tune or change parts of the machine?

                If I'm way off here just call me crazy and I'll understand.

                An old member and friend,
                wantomake

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                • It is all about "Your Programming"...

                  Originally posted by wantomake View Post
                  Ufopolitics,
                  You don't have to answer this if I'm being rude to post here this question.

                  I was a part of this adventure in the beginning and enjoyed with much learning, the modified motor generator I built from your instructions. I stopped cause can't afford the imperial motor, but still keep up reading here. Thanks for those good times.
                  Have been working on the elusive lockridge device for some time now. That's the reason I ask you.

                  Here is my question if you don't mind;
                  Will a high end 3D cad program with electrical, electronics,electromagnetic, transformer effect and the such, would it show all the effects each part of the device and how to tune or change parts of the machine?

                  If I'm way off here just call me crazy and I'll understand.

                  An old member and friend,
                  wantomake

                  Hello Wantomake, long time!

                  Of course I remember!...You had that Treadmill Motor converted...and You live in Japan...if am right...

                  I have "High End 3D CAD Programs"...and most of this programs have an Embedded Language-Code to program it yourself on whatever you want it to do...You set the New Strings, New Parameters...Fields, teach it how to interpret, etc,etc.

                  But to tell You that they have all this Electronic, Electrical, Electromagnetic, Transformer Effects "FUNCTIONS"...in order to tune/maintain/replace parts on a Device you will build/create within its Platform, from scratch...I honestly doubt such Program Exists...
                  However, You do can make all this happen, by Programming it yourself......Now, any "defects, errors or malfunctions" would be blamed on the programmer...not the program...

                  I tell You a short story...

                  When I was building my 3D models, based on one of my Patents in MAYA 3D (the old version from Alias Wavefront, not the new one from the new owners, Auto Desk [creators of Auto CAD])...I programmed the software to do all this changes of colors codes, over a time track of animation based on rotation...Colors were assigned based on Polarity, where Blues and all derivatives of Blues were North...and South were all the Gamma of Reds...passing through Orange all the way to Yellow....since I had "many Norths, and many Souths"...wanted to rotate them and turning "ON" by giving them more "Brightness"...while when OFF, I turned them ALL same Neutral Color...White....the switching from off to on, and viceversa was done smoothly passing through different shades (Program did that through a "dimming curve")...

                  The point is that by observing this changes of shades in rotation at different speeds in long sessions, ...I was able to "see" , define those "Inertial/Idling" Planes...within the 360 Quadrant...and that gave me the "Generation Stage" in perfectly defined angles...That was how the Dual Mode (motor-generator) Asymmetric Machines were born.

                  So, yes, this high end programs have infinite possibilities my friend, you could do whatever you want to achieve with them...it is all about the way you "teach them"(command them) how to perform the required Functions.

                  However, there may be many programs out there , newer ones, that may do more advanced functions "pre-build" within their main core...but I do not know of any that could do -without major programming- all you want to achieve.


                  Kind Regards


                  Ufopolitics
                  Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                  • Wantomake

                    A cad program is a drawing or blueprint of what you have decided to make. You select the parts and how they go together. Some of the high end programs will check the drawing for general errors but not to the extent you asked about where they would suggest other parts. A 3D cad will show how the parts will look in three dim. I am afraid that if you want to put the project on a three Dim. and have the power to show how it works and redesign itself that you will come up short. There are programs costing many thousands of dollars that are helpful in some ways but the education to run one of these is great as as is the time. For designing a system nothing is better than learning to do it yourself. For showing others about your system, nothing is better than a cad.

                    Dana
                    "Today's scientist have substituted mathematics for experiments and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."
                    Nikola Tesla

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                    • FYI - Little Update.

                      2x Motors bought, wire 26 SWG 0.450mm (closest I could find.)

                      Battery box, only thing they had was 2x1.5v, and the motors are 6-15V

                      Will try and find a 4x1.5v battery box on my travels ASAP.



                      Now reading and re-reading until dis assembly begins.

                      Regards

                      Finn.
                      Last edited by Fingregor123; 07-16-2014, 02:41 PM.

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                      • Wisdom

                        Thanks Ufopolitics,
                        This is exactly what I need to hear. Good wisdom from someone with experience.
                        I was in Japan for summer last year. Live in South Carolina.

                        I'm sure experiments are best to understand how a device should be designed, but to have something to use as a blueprint would be an advantage. There's got to be a better way to start and get results while building a device.

                        Yes I still use the treadmill motor/generator from time to time.

                        Thanks Dana, I agree this will be expensive in time and resources. But two years of my time and four years from the other people who are working on this device, it would seem we would be past the stage we are at. As you said I can communicate better also.This I believe (being inspired by Ufopolitics) is a most important tool for anybody in replicating a free energy device.

                        Thanks again for your wisdom,
                        wantomake

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                        • Great!!

                          Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
                          FYI - Little Update.

                          2x Motors bought, wire 26 SWG 0.450mm (closest I could find.)

                          Battery box, only thing they had was 2x1.5v, and the motors are 6-15V

                          Will try and find a 4x1.5v battery box on my travels ASAP.



                          Now reading and re-reading until dis assembly begins.

                          Regards

                          Finn.
                          Hello Finn,

                          That is just great!

                          Now, when you open plastic envelopes...and get them out, could you shut a couple of pic's zoomed of Both rear and front (just one pic is fine, one facing frt and other rear in a 45 to Cam) so I could see rear & frt in one shot.

                          I would like to guide you properly on the cuts, so you do not go through trouble putting main asymmetric housing together.

                          About the "Factory Rated Voltages"...disregard them......after You are done with this new motor assy... it would expand the V Ratio from 1.5-3.0 to 18V (Hauling A** of course)...So, a Battery Box of Two (1.5 X 2) is fine...to run it in Parallel Feed (like We normally did before Side Banks...for side Banks they would be fine also...but rather start with single 1.5 holders on each side bank first...because 2X1.5V at each Bank would make this motor fly with that new asymmetric winding...

                          And anxious to see how many poles are their Rotors...


                          Regards


                          Ufopolitics
                          Last edited by Ufopolitics; 07-16-2014, 02:58 PM.
                          Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                          • 3 Poles

                            Can take them back but that's all they had, mail order from somewhere in the UK may be the best bet?

                            Regards

                            Finn.

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                            • Ouch...

                              Originally posted by Fingregor123 View Post
                              3 Poles

                              Can take them back but that's all they had, mail order from somewhere in the UK may be the best bet?

                              Regards

                              Finn.

                              Ouch!...

                              A Three Pole is good, but related to all north design, it does not have overlapped coils advantage, which keeps transferring energy from Pair to Pair...delivering a more robust flow.

                              However, a Three Pole is even more simple to build, winding wise...all coils are exactly the same winding direction and each one is independent from the other...so it can be done as well...plus you have more room to add more turns...

                              Does it have carbon brushes or copper strips rubbing the commutators?


                              Ufopolitics
                              Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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                              • Finn

                                aboard! Study hard! It looks like you will be our representative in Scotland!


                                Keep it Clean and Green
                                Midaz

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