Bedini Earth Light

[mikrovolt]

all you guys are the best !!!

MathewJones, I agree the thermal properties increase the energy.
thanks for bringing that up, JB had mentioned that also.

blackchisel97, also valuble testing data, the big bertha size
approx 4 1/2 by 5 1/2 inches = 11 1/2 cm by 14 cm cylinder
so we have another volume and surface area to compare.
Also the finely divided copper may turn out to be a key species
such as the alum.

As we see John Bedini and other results coming in
we will soon have some excellent property sets.
I'm not clear on the oxides on the electrodes, my concept may need
to adjust, what I do know is that John has been making this happen,
I really appreciate this unique expertise.

Would adding an insulating filler like activated charcoal help the thermal conductivity?
I know that a small green house will raise the temperature then at night how would you store heat ?

Is there a different shape such as a large hockey puck shape that would make possible stacking such as a Volta pile arrangement ?
The reason I mention this is I know the Mg/Carbon cell is a very good concept model and in going to cement has been a challenge.

I know there are diminishing returns and trade-offs, what I find amazing is how quickly your trials have been finding these. EXCELLENCE
thank you again everyone for sharing.

[Lidmotor]

Cement Battery running a Hartley oscillator AM transmitter

@Kooler

If you are reading this--- thank you for posting this circuit over at OU. I printed out the diagram and now I don't know exactly where I found it. This circuit worked great on the low power cement battery. I am not sure what this could be used for but it was very interesting. Running a transmitting oscillator at 1 volt and 3 MICRO AMPS!!!!! ----was really fun.

YouTube - Cement battery running a Hartley Oscillator Transmitter.ASF

Lidmotor

[blackchisel97]

short vid update

This is a short video from my recent experiment with different compounds. I was talking about that on previous page. YouTube - Another cement battery
I made another battery with hollow copper pipe in the center to replicate Matt's experiment with ice but I also used carbon and created kind of layered structure. I'll wait till she is dry and take measurements.


Vtech

[sucahyo]

Test done after constantly loading the crystal battery with amp meter overnight:
YouTube - Crystal battery metering, bouncing volts

After overnight it show 0.3 mili amps and 0.3 volts. When the amp meter is detached for some seconds, the voltage rise quickly to 0.7Volts and when attached again the amp start at 0.5 miliamp then steadily drop to 0.3 mili amp.

[blackchisel97]

Cement batteries and infrared

Hi guys, quick update; I did some temperature tests with couple of my older cells. I picked two pipe batteries since they are rock dry. They have their bottoms sealed. Their voltage climbed since I checked couple days ago. One with copper rad seal reads 1.650V, aluminum rad seal 1.59V. Copper one barely lit LED from oscillator at 70F measured in my kitchen. Voltage under the oscillator load dropped to 0.59V at 3mA. I used air dryer on low setting and voltage climbed to 0.85V as well as current went up to 6mA. Enough to make LED fully bright. Temperature of the unit (measured on the pipe surface) was 104F. They also climb nicely while basking in the sun.
Newest (2 days old) batteries are sitting near 1.3V and deliver over 30mA when shorted out (voltage dropping of course) and hold steady at 5mA. I'll let them dry more since they weigh about 3lb. One of them has hollow copper pipe to test with ice in the core.
I would love to test them in the ground but it is still frozen.

To have more fun I grew some crystals. This is one of them -


Vtech

[John_Bedini]

Earth Light /Crystal Cell

Vtech,
That looks good I have also grown some crystals.

Have been working on a new mix for the crystal battery. The key to these batteries or crystal cells is they must be semiconductive between the metal plates. In the crystal cell the copper rod seems to work better when heated with flame to produce > Cu + Cu0 then the next element is crushed Lead sulfide these must be separated very carefully by wrapping paper towels around them soaked with the oxides this forms the semiconductor for the positive post. Next is the sodium silicate mixed with strontium titanium oxide as the other half of the semiconductor agents the aluminum case (NEG) this forms the crystal battery. I think you could get away with treating the copper rod by heating waiting for it to form copper oxide"Black color" which is Cu0 that is the semiconductor material. It would be the same as a cheap mans solar cell Cu + Cu0. But useing doped cement in-between.
I will try to make a Youtube of this soon so nobody give up yet.
I will do this as simple as possible so it can be reproduced.
It takes a long time to receive chemicals through the mail.

John B

[blackchisel97]

Vtech,
That looks good I have also grown some crystals.

Have been working on a new mix for the crystal battery. The key to these batteries or crystal cells is they must be semiconductive between the metal plates. In the crystal cell the copper rod seems to work better when heated with flame to produce > Cu + Cu0 then the next element is crushed Lead sulfide these must be separated very carefully by wrapping paper towels around them soaked with the oxides this forms the semiconductor for the positive post. Next is the sodium silicate mixed with strontium titanium oxide as the other half of the semiconductor agents the aluminum case (NEG) this forms the crystal battery. I think you could get away with treating the copper rod by heating waiting for it to form copper oxide"Black color" which is Cu0 that is the semiconductor material. It would be the same as a cheap mans solar cell Cu + Cu0. But useing doped cement in-between.
I will try to make a Youtube of this soon so nobody give up yet.
I will do this as simple as possible so it can be reproduced.
It takes a long time to receive chemicals through the mail. No kiddi'n!

John B

I was thinking about and looking for a source of galena. Those crystals look so nice I don't think I could raise a hammer to crush them. Maybe I can find a source for a crushed one. I like pork chops but wouldn't kill a pig
There is also one unique property of lead sulphide - it crystallizes in the sodium chloride. I don't know if this could be useful for our batteries.
This is very interesting compound (beside its natural beauty). What I have in mind is changing resistance/responding to the infrared radiation. Not temperature but photon radiation.
I'll look up for other compounds.

Thank you for update


Vtech

[John_Bedini]

Earth Lights/ Crystal Cell

Vtech,
Yes, I already had some crushed so I did try it, your right it is Photon Radiation. This is going to be a mixture of things that form that semiconductor. The center could be something like they use jewelry niobium wire it collects electrons here is the link. Wire, niobium, natural, half-hard, round, 22 gauge. Sold pkg of 5 feet. - Fire Mountain Gems and Beads
It seems that copper oxide works good Cu0 I have made that by heating copper and collecting the black oxide.
Here is a link for Alum.
http://www.myspicesage.com/alum-powder-p-531.html?s_kwcid=TC|8504|alum%20more%3Alabel_alum% 20more%3Achemistry||S|p|6741345002&gclid=CJfx87y7u acCFSFpgwod9kENNA
Use this chemical house they cost but it's worth it.
Alfa Aesar - A Johnson Matthey Company and another one local here.
The Science Company®
John B

[blackchisel97]

Vtech,
Yes, I already had some crushed so I did try it, your right it is Photon Radiation. This is going to be a mixture of things that form that semiconductor. The center could be something like they use jewelry niobium wire it collects electrons here is the link. Wire, niobium, natural, half-hard, round, 22 gauge. Sold pkg of 5 feet. - Fire Mountain Gems and Beads
It seems that copper oxide works good Cu0 I have made that by heating copper and collecting the black oxide.
Here is a link for Alum.
http://www.myspicesage.com/alum-powder-p-531.html?s_kwcid=TC|8504|alum%20more%3Alabel_alum% 20more%3Achemistry||S|p|6741345002&gclid=CJfx87y7u acCFSFpgwod9kENNA
Use this chemical house they cost but it's worth it.
Alfa Aesar - A Johnson Matthey Company and another one local here.
The Science Company®
John B

John, Thank you for links This is getting spicy!


Vtech

[Inquorate]

Magnesium rods arrived

[fan1701]

article

How to Make an Electret
the Device That Permanently Maintains an Electric Charge
by C. L. Strong

THE HISTORY OF SCIENCE IS A TREASURE house for the amateur experimenter. For example, many devices invented by early workers in electricity and magnetism attract little attention today because they have no practical application, yet these devices remain fascinating in themselves. Consider the so-called electret. This device is a small cake of specially prepared wax that has the property of permanently maintaining an electric field; it is the electrical analogue of a permanent magnet. No one knows in precise detail how an electret works, nor does it presently have a significant task to perform. George O. Smith, an electronics specialist of Rumson, N.J., points out, however, that this is no obstacle to the enjoyment of the electret by the amateur. Moreover, the amateur with access to a source of high-voltage current can make an electret at virtually no cost.

"For more than 2,000 years," writes Smith, "it was suspected that the magnetic attraction of the lodestone and the electrostatic attraction of the electrophorus were different manifestations of the same phenomenon. This suspicion persisted from the time of Thales of Miletus (600 B.C.) to that of William Gilbert (A.D. 1600). After the publication of Gilbert's treatise De Magnete, the suspicion graduated into a theory that was supported by many experiments conducted to show that for every magnetic effect there was an electric analogue, and vice versa.

"In 1339 Michael Faraday suggested that it should be possible to polarize a dielectric material so as to produce 'a Dielectric Body which retains an electric moment after the externally-applied electric field has been reduced to zero.' In Faraday's time, however, other workers were so busy with such ideas as the telegraph and the arc light that they paid little attention to his device. An exception was Oliver Heaviside, who discusses it in his Electrical Papers. Finding Faraday's 19-word description a bit cumbersome, Heaviside coined the word 'electret,' by analogy to 'magnet.' Adorned with this name, the electret remained no more than a scientific concept until 1922, when the first electrets were produced by Mototaro Eguchi, professor of physics at the Higher Naval College of Tokyo.

"The analogy between the magnet and the electret is striking, and this includes the way in which they are fabricated. For example, a magnet can be made 'cold,' but the strength and permanence of its magnetism is enhanced if the material is placed in a magnetic field while it is in the liquid state and is then allowed to cool while the field is maintained. The same is true of the electret, though of course the effect and the field are electrical.

The above is part of some information that we have on the cells.

*****Conductors polarize on the magnetic vector. Just like a coil on an SSG or a magnet , a magnetic field is produced. A semiconductor or insulator will polarize on the electrical vector and electricity is the result. The electric field remains as long as the material stays polarized. Just as a magnet continues to have a magnetic field until it looses its polarization. These cells ,when properly made, are solid state radiant energy converters . Other energy types converted varies based on the material used. Magnets are solid state radiant converters too. The radiant field is desperately trying to depolarize the magnet but it cannot and a permanent magnetic field is produced. The electret functions the same except that electricity is the result and we are not yet capable of producing very strong ones . At least not YET. ******

**** This is the opinion of my brother and myself based on our studies and experiments. The examples of this working are present in all the brilliant works from N. Tesla, T.T. Brown ,S. Meyer , J. Newman , Ed L. , J. Bedini and the other greats. To all of them I say Too bad it takes us so many years to catch up..........

I have gathered materials to produce the cement type cells with the glass, marble, alum. I am up to my ears in revival , ball practice and of course work. Hopefully in a few days I will have something to show as well as our cells still holding at half a volt(what they always had) that are months old.


al

[John_Bedini]

Crystal Battery

fan1701,
I know that you disagree with me on some of the aspects of this cell, epically with the high voltage. The reason I say that you do not need to build an electret is because you will find no current involved, just high voltage. Everybody should look at this like an energy dam just like a dam on a river. You need to tap into that river. One could look at this like a storage capacitor on one side blocking the flow except through energy channels through the semiconductor material, photons kick off electrons which flow through the channels to the opiate plate. The Sodium Silicate and the Strontium titanium oxide to form the collection, the rest is a big rectifier which allows electrons one way. So what your building is a one way gating valve converting ambient energy that is everywhere. No high voltage needed in this device that I have found. I have studied Marcus Reid and John H, these two people are very tricky in what they say. For some reason which is beyond me they want no replication, but I do. You could never wait for them to get funding as you will find strings attached. The Water Battery is another one of these items built in Japan, where is it? We also find that Iron sulfide has been used for years for radio crystals converting the signal and then all research stopped, why?... @ Lidmotor, You need to modulate that little transmitter and talk over it, good find for low voltage.
John B

[everyidea]

Cement Batterys with household doping

Here are the cement batteries My 9 year old son and I are working on. We have used 1" square aluminum tube, .25" copper tube, .25" aluminum bar and 1" copper tube, all from Home Depot.

I have roasted all of the copper items so there is a thin layer of oxide on them. This comes off very easily, so be careful. I have also tried a different oxide method with one Cu electrode, using ammonia vapor. This oxide is very tough and does not flake off, but is not as black as the roasted ones.

All cells will be made with a base of portland cement and distilled water, except for the Block seal and hydrogen Peroxide, where they will take place of the water. All will be baked at the same time.

This is a test in using household items and to see how they affect the cement cell. It also tests the different items and coils as electrodes

Name: outer case / inner electrode / doping agent
1Control: Al / Cu / none
1A: Al / Cu #10 wire coiled / none
1B: Al / Cu #10 wire coiled and looped though bottom of coil then out of top / none
1C: Cu / Al / none
1D: Al / Cu / Block Seal (Sodium Silicate)(no water)
1E: Al / Cu / Crushed Alum (ammonium alum)
1F: Al / Cu / Hydrogen Peroxide (no water)
1G: Al / Cu / Crushed Epson Salt (magnesium and magnesium sulfate)
1H: Al / Cu / Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)
1I: Al / Cu / Baking Powder (Sodium Aluminum Sulfate(soda alum) and calcium sulfate)
1J: Al / Cu / Crushed Quartz rocks (from home depot)
1K: Al / Cu Ammonia fumed oxide / none
1L : Cu / Cu / none
1M: Al / Al / none
1N: Al / Cu / Crushed Tums (Calcium Carbonate)

Cells are in the oven. Note about alum (ammonium alum) when mixed with water creates bad fumes, work in a ventilated area. Also, mixing just block seal and cement doesn''t work out too well, it turns to gravel. I had to add some water so it could flow into the small Al case.

Cells are now out of the oven after 3 hours @170F, that's as low as my stove goes. They are cooling off and I'll let them set for now.

Ross W

[fan1701]

Hi John. Forgive me, I'm not trying to be a disruptor. Actually I am quite glad you are working on these things. You will ultimately make them high power and that is the goal.

For some reason which is beyond me they want no replication, but I do.

So do we no matter who is right about what the only thing that really matters is that everyone is able to build useful cells that can be constructed at home.

al

[Inquorate]

... Everybody should look at this like an energy dam just like a dam on a river. You need to tap into that river. One could look at this like a storage capacitor on one side blocking the flow except through energy channels through the semiconductor material, photons kick off electrons which flow through the channels to the opiate plate. The Sodium Silicate and the Strontium titanium oxide to form the collection, the rest is a big rectifier which allows electrons one way. So what your building is a one way gating valve converting ambient energy that is everywhere. No high voltage needed in this device that I have found. I have studied Marcus Reid and John H, these two people are very tricky in what they say. For some reason which is beyond me they want no replication, but I do. ... We also find that Iron sulfide has been used for years for radio crystals converting the signal and then all research stopped, why?...
John B

i concur.

I'm thinking of making a cell using alum (The only bit i haven't got yet), cement, galena powder, borax, copper sulfate, zinc oxide, with magnesium and copper anode and cathode.

That should in theory work well. I'll use the magnesium and copper in am electrolyte to build oxides? Any recommendations or suggestions?