Tesla's Electric Car

[Turion]

As I understand it, having had this conversation with someone in the past few weeks, Tesla began with experiments of sending power through the ground from one place to another, and we have all heard the stories of him sticking a bulb on a pole into the ground and it would light up. He moved on to experiments with sending power through the air. The purpose of the tower he built that was later destroyed, was to do just that...send energy through the air to be picked up everywhere by receivers that converted those transmissions into power.

So....isn't it LIKELY that what Tesla had in his automobile was simply the motor, a special battery that could take power in AND put it out at the same time, and a receiver that converted broadcast power from another location into electricity to fill the battery and be used by the electric motor in his car? Which would mean that the power was broadcast to his car from another location. I was told once that there was a special large antenna on the car, but I have never been able to confirm that.

David

[Bizzy]

As I understand it, having had this conversation with someone in the past few weeks, Tesla began with experiments of sending power through the ground from one place to another, and we have all heard the stories of him sticking a bulb on a pole into the ground and it would light up. He moved on to experiments with sending power through the air. The purpose of the tower he built that was later destroyed, was to do just that...send energy through the air to be picked up everywhere by receivers that converted those transmissions into power.

So....isn't it LIKELY that what Tesla had in his automobile was simply the motor, a special battery that could take power in AND put it out at the same time, and a receiver that converted broadcast power from another location into electricity to fill the battery and be used by the electric motor in his car? Which would mean that the power was broadcast to his car from another location. I was told once that there was a special large antenna on the car, but I have never been able to confirm that.

David

Hi David
Yes I just read the part about a "6 foot antenna" at the rear of the car. However they do not say what it or the rods were made of.
I feel that may be the key as well.
Bizzy

[Slider2732]

A 6 ft aerial off the back of the car, a receiving circuit, a brushless motor..hmmmm, i'm surprised Hobby King don't sell a scale version on 2.4GHz.
With Tesla's boat bringing R/C into being. It would be no surprise if this was a genuine historical event and genuine vehicle.

Let's replace airwave standard radio propagation and resultant losses, with a development of at least both the radio controlled methods and of the Wardenclyffe system. One area stumps thought however...where was the transmitter ?
By 1931, was Tesla not already a mid 70's years hotel patron ?

From: Nikola Tesla/Later years - Wikibooks, open books for an open world
"Tesla, in August 1917, first established principles regarding frequency and power level for the first primitive radar units".
Hmmm. Turn radar backwards to resemble 'pinging' (internet) and the dashboard receiver could lock to a found target, which of course would be on a specific resonant frequency. He could 'dial in' the transmitter at the remote location using radio principles, just as though the supplying transmitter were a radio station. The remote source would then use beam technologies to omit scattering and losses, instead directing energy only to the car.
In so doing, the car based receiver locks to the remote source and the energy is received as a concentrated powerful radio wave beam. Most of the technology would be at the remote location and enable the car system to be portable.
He would be using radio, a highly specialised implementation of radar, remote wireless energy and beam technology....4 areas of expertise and self invention.

I've always wondered about the line "We now have power" because Tesla pushed the rods into the box..completing a circuit, rather than them being a form of (microwave or at least higher end RF) antenna system.
An account from: Tesla's Electric Car
Has this "A heavy antenna approximately 1.8 meters long, came out of the converter. This antenna apparently had the same function as that on the Moray converter (see chapter on Radiant Energy). Furthermore, two thick rods protruded approximately 10cm from the converter housing."
Do we take it that the distance between the rods and the antenna are also fundamental to operation ? Setting that distance may have created a feedback resonant loop, similar to how a microphone squeels with the ramped up feedback next to a speaker.
By doing so, it can be imagined that only then is the power available to drive.

But ahhh, you may say, where does the Wardenclyffe method fit in ? Well, ya know those strips that hang off the back of some peoples cars to earth them ?

[Slider2732]

Have suggested this to my wife for my birthday in August
Probably to be found on Ebay or something.

Signature Models - Pierce-Arrow Model B (1930, 1:32, Blue) 32329 - Toy Wonders, Inc.


The doors open, so a circuit can go in the cabin. The hood opens, so the brushless motor can go in. The front wheels already have a linkage for part of the steering.
If nothing else, it's a fine looking model of high personal interest and will be converted to R/C

*edit*
If someone wants a bargain to do something similar, $11.99 here and reasonable shipping:
1930 PIERCE ARROW MODEL B BLUE 1:32 DIECAST MODEL CAR | eBay

[Bizzy]

But ahhh, you may say, where does the Wardenclyffe method fit in ? Well, ya know those strips that hang off the back of some peoples cars to earth them ?

Hi Mark
Its good to hear from you again!
There are only two theories I can think of about the power source and the "box"

Theory 1 The box was in fact a receiver and he a Wardenclyffe tower somewhere within range of the car.

Theory 2 the metal in the car or the antenna or both were actually the collector of radiant energy

In all accounts I have read about this car. It lists the wire, various resistors, and 12 tubes. No accounts have given any mention of condensors/capacitors, which he has said in the past is needed for such a collector. These are only the parts he BOUGHT but nowhere does it mention him bringing anything with him.

This leds to three more questions, did he bring capacitors with him? If so what size.
And finally what other parts did he bring with him?
These may very well be the key to understanding replicating this.
Bizzy

[Bizzy]

Hi Bizzy,

There was quite the discussion in the "Tesla's Wireless Electricity Transmission" thread about Tesla's electric "1931 Pierce Arrow" automobile.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post47929

This is one thread that needs some more attention there's a lot of information within the topic.

Regard's,
Fuzzy

Hi Fuzzy
I didn't see this thread I will have to start reading throug this one as well.
thanks
Bizzy

[Slider2732]

August 11th has rolled around and here we are with - the Signature Models 1:32 1930 Pierce-Arrow Model B conversion

Thought you fellas might like this video.

Tesla Pierce-Arrow model + DeLorean 'Open the Doors' - YouTube

[GSM]

Hi tturner,

The link you provided is a much more likely scenario of what could have been done by Tesla. The only problem I see in his description is he has the voltage at the plate backwards. When the tube is fully turned on the voltage will be lowest at the plate and highest when the tube is turned off. This can still be used to control a motor or whatever as that method has been used for years. If you connect a high power source to one side of a motor and the other side of the motor to the plate of the tube, then you can control the motor with a signal on the grid of the tube providing the tube can carry the amount of current needed by the motor. Normally several tubes were connected in parallel to be able to carry enough current for a large motor. These were called thyratrons and most of them were made by GE. These are large industrial tubes and not the little tubes described in that silly circuits paper.

@GSM By your own admission you haven't even looked at the circuit we were discussing so your comments are totally without merit. And just for your information I am self taught in electronics and made my living working in the field for 50 years. Anyone can say "I know the secret, but I'm not going to share it because you need to discover it for yourself". All that proves is you know how to type.

Carroll

Hi Citfa,

As I wrote, I did check your links and no appropriate circuitry was there.

I have always had the view that no one else is RESPONSIBLE for MY understanding, and conversely, that I am not responsible for anyone else's understanding, especially those who so self assuredly claim to *know* already.

So having had time to catch up on searches I should like to type more, hopefully without receiving personally aimed comment in return. I walk away from negativity, and those who are vexations to the spirit.

The secret within those early thermionic tubes were filaments of thoriated tungsten used by manufacturers competing for efficiency per directly heated filament Watt.

A thoriated tungsten cathode can be induced to release additional electrons if it is bombarded with a lesser electron stream attracted from an anode via a positive grid potential. If the tube is oscillated, then those additional cathode released electrons may be conducted away, again via the grid w.r.t. the anode.

Do please take a look at the TH Moray tube circuits,
also page 37 here >
http://elearning.zaou.ac.zm:8060/Sci...0Perreault.pdf

http://www.tubebooks.org/tubedata/taylor_tubes.pdf

There was a very recent video of someone doing this on YT, but I did not retain a link, and modern indirectly heated cathode tubes, even thoria coated types, would likely succumb to ion poisoning in a way which early thoriated wire heated types were not susceptible.

Cheers ............ Graham.

[citfta]

circuits

Hi GSM,

Thanks for the links. I downloaded both of them and saved them. The one from Perreault looks very interesting. I plan to read the whole thing as soon as I have some spare time.

I want to apologize if you feel I have made any personal attacks against you. That was never my intention. I was upset because of your comments about my negative attitude. I felt that was not a fair assessment being based only on my comments about one particular circuit. I have read many of your posts and have great respect for your electronic knowledge. I try to always be open to new ideas and I have seen enough strange things when working on electrical and electronic equipment to know our knowledge is not complete.

I just tried the link that I have posted in post #14 of this thread and it still works. Please look at it and go all the way to the bottom of the page. There you will find a couple of circuits. One has a series of tubes connected in series between an antenna and one side of a motor. On the other side of the motor is another set of series connected tubes going from the motor to a ground connection. The other drawing is similar except the tubes are connected in parallel. I just don't see any way either of these circuits could work. If I am overlooking something then please show me what it is.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[GSM]

Hi GSM,

Thanks for the links. I downloaded both of them and saved them. The one from Perreault looks very interesting. I plan to read the whole thing as soon as I have some spare time.

I want to apologize if you feel I have made any personal attacks against you. That was never my intention. I was upset because of your comments about my negative attitude. I felt that was not a fair assessment being based only on my comments about one particular circuit. I have read many of your posts and have great respect for your electronic knowledge. I try to always be open to new ideas and I have seen enough strange things when working on electrical and electronic equipment to know our knowledge is not complete.

I just tried the link that I have posted in post #14 of this thread and it still works. Please look at it and go all the way to the bottom of the page. There you will find a couple of circuits. One has a series of tubes connected in series between an antenna and one side of a motor. On the other side of the motor is another set of series connected tubes going from the motor to a ground connection. The other drawing is similar except the tubes are connected in parallel. I just don't see any way either of these circuits could work. If I am overlooking something then please show me what it is.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Carroll.

Thanks for your reply.

As presented neither of those circuits could work, and if my memory has not failed me, then an antenna of 3" high resonates at circa 2.4GHz modem and microwave oven frequencies, not 246MHz as stated.

Also did the Tesla car not have twin antennas, one each side of the vehicle ?
If yes then again the type of circuit shown could not have powered the car via EM reception because short twin antennas operating at V-UHF can develop directional reception nulls in line with the antennas which would mean the car could not remain continuously powered whilst driven around corners.

What are those 'diodes' though ?
Were they Moray like ?
Did the rods being pushed into the box either present an encapsulation or move a sheild from an internal radium source capable of ionically energising tube oscillators and rectifiers ?

Too much remains unknown, and too many substances have been named as being illegal to possess for modern day empiricists to replicate developments made almost 100 years ago.

Cheers .......... Graham.

[Bob Smith]

I'd like to offer 4 items for consideration:
1. Antenna as Radiant Energy Collector: Would the top of the antenna(s) and the bottom of the tires or some other grounding (e.g., strips that trail from cars) provide for enough potential difference to access some small amount of radiant energy as per Tesla's Radiant Energy Collector patent?
2. Rods as Tuning Devices: If this is the case, might the rods be used to slide into coils in order to tune them to their resonant frequency to best use (and possibly amplify) the radiant energy coming off the antenna? - Much like Doc Stiffler was doing in his experiments with a barium ferrite rod sliding in and out of a fine copper wire coil; I believe Lidmotor also has a similar tuning arrangement with one of his motors on YT. Perhaps Lee Tseung's lead-out theory based on maximized output through resonant frequency might have some bearing here as well.
3. Dipole Preserving Motor Winding: Has anyone considered in light of Ufopolitics' motor winding that the motor for Tesla's Pierce Arrow might have been modified and wound similarly, to keep the dipole open, and generate further electricity?
4. Ed Gray Type Self-Runner: The Ed Gray motor used coils for its stators. My understanding is that the rotating armature coils would have induced radiant energy into the stator coils, which was in harvested into caps, which could in turn be used to make the machine a self-runner. I believe a variant (or predecessor) of this motor would only need a revolution to get the process started - perhaps from a charged condenser?
FWIW
Bob

[mbrownn]

Could it be that Tesla's car was powered by one of his magnifying transmitters?

I read somewhere that it had a standard motor in it, if so it would need only a power source and the other items could have been the receiver for energy from the transmitter.

The truth is that little is known and we are only guessing.

[Slider2732]

The car conversion certainly helped me to visualise the creation...if it was indeed real.
The 6ft antenna on the back just 'looks' like it should make it an R/C car. So, with knowing that Tesla created the first R/C anything with his boat in 1898 ( Nikola Tesla Museum - Seventh room ), then the car would suggest a magnifying transmitter being the transmitter.
Distance is Hertzian.

I read that Tesla kept up an experiments room along with his personal living accomodation later in life.
However, the hotel New Yorker (Room 3327) was where he resided for the last 10 years. 1943 - 10 = 1933 ...so he wasn't there when the car driving occurred.
http://www.teslasociety.com/nyhotel.htm
At 75 years old he was living at the Hotel Governor Clinton ?
Well, in 1930 he vacated the Hotel Pennsylnaia..due to debt and problems with his adoration of 'flying rats'. He moved to the Hotel Governor Clinton in New York.
January 2nd 1934, he moved to the Hotel New Yorker.
What was within the walls of the Hotel Governor Clinton residence ? I 'think' that along with apparently removing the tubes from the car when he parked it up in a barn, he may well have dismantled any transmitter at that time.

Here's a heck of a site for timelines etc, tripped over while looking for links and facts: Nikola Tesla Timeline 1899 - Tesla Begins Colorado Springs Experiments

I would doubt that a person who announced discoveries on his birthday for all to hear each year, would contrive them purely from thought...albeit he could see inventions mentally as though they were real.
Rather, that he experimented physically too.
And, lastly, from the last mentioned website:
"January, 9th: OAP Seizes Tesla Estate
After learning of Tesla's death, the FBI ordered the U.S. Office of Alien Property to seize all of Tesla's belongings. Tesla's entire estate from the Hotel New Yorker, and other New York City hotels, was transported to the Manhattan Storage and Warehouse Company under OAP seal."
Might we imagine that something like a magnifying transmitter remained at another location after he moved to Room 3327 ?

[soundiceuk]

I believe Tesla's Pierce Arrow to have run from a radioactive primary battery with an interchangable zinc rod.

Source - Arthur Matthews meets Bruce A. Perreault

Tesla's Last Known Living Assistant's Recorded Statement



Tesla's Last Known Living Assistant's Recorded Statement

Another one of his great inventions was the electric car. He built the first one in 1897 and he drove from New York City to Buffalo, New York and it had an average speed of 94 miles an hour. This car, if it was built today, would cost one-cent a mile to operate and it would cost practically nothing for repairs because apart from the mechanical parts, that is to say the wheels and the steering apparatus where they would compose the only moving parts, the engine in this electric car is a small alternating current motor which runs at the tremendous speed of thirty thousand rpm and this is reduced to eighteen hundred by means of a fluid transmission, also the invention of Tesla. The whole electric car is a magnificent piece of work and it could be put in use today and save the public hundreds of billions of dollars now wasted in gasoline and oil and spare parts. I could give a few details about this electric car. You see, it does not use a storage battery. It uses the special primary battery and if you know anything about primary batteries you'll know that the only part of a primary battery which fails is the negative plate. Any little dry cells you use for your flashlight, for instance, is the zinc which gives way, and when that gives way the battery goes dead. Well now, Tesla invented a completely new kind of primary battery and in this primary battery, if the negative plate wears out, it can be replaced even by a child in a few seconds. And the battery, when installed in this electric car, will run that car five hundred miles before the battery needs to be attended to. And when the battery does need to be attended to it would take you ten minutes to remedy whatever is going on and the spare parts are all in the trunk. You have enough spare parts to keep that battery running twelve months of the year. You do not have to stop at the service station. You could run five hundred miles for instance at seventy five miles per hour, if you were allowed to do it of course, but you could run this car say fifty or sixty miles an hour right across the country and probably not have to stop more than fifteen minutes to attend to the batteries.

Well, some time in the future somebody will no doubt build this Tesla electric car but it will be when we have no more fuel oil or gasoline? I don't know how long the present oil supply will last. It certainly will not last forever so we will have to have other means of transportation. Would it be by the Tesla electric car?

If you have read my book, The Wall of Light, you will know the first part is the life story of Tesla. This story was written by Tesla himself and you will note in this story that Tesla gives full credit to God for his ability to discover some amazing new ideas in the Bible. As I have mentioned before the microwave comes from the fourth chapter of Revelations. In many places in his work Tesla mentions the fact that he was inspired by Bible study to conceive his amazing ideas. His idea of the alternating current comes from the book of Matthew. In other words from the Trinity. Tesla explains that his microwave, for instance, is not what many others think it is. It is not a wave, it is a dimension. The actual dimension of the beam. Tesla clearly states that his microwave is a beam which grows smaller. But he states that it's diameter is smaller than the hair of your head.

Arthur Matthews is thought to be Tesla's son

The Wall of Light - Nikola Tesla And The Venusian Space Ship... The X-12

[citfta]

Hi Graham,

Thanks for the very interesting links. I just finished reading the rest of the Perreault paper. I have to say all of what he says does make sense. I know that the tungsten welding electrodes are supposed to be thoriated. I wonder if we could use them to make our own ion generator? Some time ago I read that someone thought the E. V. Gray circuit would work like it was supposed to have worked if it had a tungsten welding rod in the tube.

The secret within those early thermionic tubes were filaments of thoriated tungsten used by manufacturers competing for efficiency per directly heated filament Watt.

A thoriated tungsten cathode can be induced to release additional electrons if it is bombarded with a lesser electron stream attracted from an anode via a positive grid potential. If the tube is oscillated, then those additional cathode released electrons may be conducted away, again via the grid w.r.t. the anode.

Do please take a look at the TH Moray tube circuits,
also page 37 here >
http://elearning.zaou.ac.zm:8060/Sci...0Perreault.pdf

http://www.tubebooks.org/tubedata/taylor_tubes.pdf

There was a very recent video of someone doing this on YT, but I did not retain a link, and modern indirectly heated cathode tubes, even thoria coated types, would likely succumb to ion poisoning in a way which early thoriated wire heated types were not susceptible.

Cheers ............ Graham.

Later,
Carroll