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  • Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
    symmetrical- bidirectional
    energy flows in both directions, we have to work with it not against it
    It needs to flow naturally

    The secret is not symmetry.

    It is asymmetry! As Tesla and Leedskalnin found out through experimentation.

    If the circuit was symmetrical then apart from how it looks it would be both side positive or both sides negative.

    Asymmetry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Asymmetry and important evolutionary traits, such as the left human lung being smaller, and having one fewer lobes than the right lung to make room for the asymmetrical heart."



    Your pictures that you draw helped me come to this conclusion, but also so did Bedini Ferris Wheel Motor by Jeremy Burnum on Prezi and also the knowledge that everyone has been sharing.

    Many thank yous to everyone for sharing their knowledge.

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    • He he .... it's both assymetry and symmetry ! Symmetry is in secondaries as you see and assymetry is the reason for it !

      I'm quite sure actually this assymetry is a hidden-public secret and
      Don Smith used it extensively ! I need only a proof device now.

      If you would answer my questions we could move forward very fast and learn from each other :

      1. Current developed in wire by changing magnetic field depends on what ?
      2. On what it DOES'NT depend ?

      I agree that actually the electric field is the motive force in circuits but magnetic fields are very important and Ed Leedscalnin knew that we fight magnetic fields with electric source dipole.

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      • Originally posted by soundiceuk View Post
        The secret is not symmetry.

        It is asymmetry! As Tesla and Leedskalnin found out through experimentation.

        If the circuit was symmetrical then apart from how it looks it would be both side positive or both sides negative.

        Asymmetry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        "Asymmetry and important evolutionary traits, such as the left human lung being smaller, and having one fewer lobes than the right lung to make room for the asymmetrical heart."



        Your pictures that you draw helped me come to this conclusion, but also so did Bedini Ferris Wheel Motor by Jeremy Burnum on Prezi and also the knowledge that everyone has been sharing.

        Many thank yous to everyone for sharing their knowledge.
        if i may....the Assymetry is also found in Nature

        centripetal energy is the basis of life whereas centrifugal energy is the basis of decay and destruction. V. Schauberger
        I think all that nature needs is three things, the North and South pole magnets and the neutral particles. Each of those three things can act differently with different speed and different combinations, and so they can accomplish different results. Edward LEEDSKALNIN
        Even some crop circles hint to the notion of a Denser Negative and Expanded Positive.



        [IMG][/IMG]

        Here is a quotation by Walter Russel describing some early experiments:

        In September, 1927, I demonstrated this principle of dual polarity control by
        arranging two pairs of solenoids - one pair with more windings than the other - in
        such a manner that the dual polarity of Nature was simulated.

        It is all the same

        hope it helps...visualizing it
        Last edited by MonsieurM; 02-28-2012, 02:08 PM.
        Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws. -Confucius.

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        • You may be right, I just mean there are two sides one cw the other ccw as in the magnetic model I posted, we have to work with creation and not against it,

          if we only work with two coils we are creating lenz on one side.
          We have to work with at least three because energy moves bidirectional.
          Energy also moves through a single wire bidirectional, to be of any use.

          We can split the pos and neg but then the energy is of no use, either high voltage or high amperage
          dave
          Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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          • I think what we are missing in the devices is we need two primary's so we can create an out of phase situation in the secondary's.
            Its just induction anything we do in the primary's will be reflected in the secondary's.
            Iv seen a lot of devices that put out enormous amounts of energy but its unusable because the energy has no phase shift, we must create a phase shift in the secondary's and to do this we must create it in the primary's.
            Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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            • Take the bipoar tesla coils , here's one there are several Bipolar Tesla Coil.wmv - YouTube
              they put out lots of power but no phase shift.

              Watch this vid by min2oly
              Bloch Wall - YouTube
              Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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              • Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
                He he .... it's both assymetry and symmetry ! Symmetry is in secondaries as you see and assymetry is the reason for it !

                I'm quite sure actually this assymetry is a hidden-public secret and
                Don Smith used it extensively ! I need only a proof device now.

                If you would answer my questions we could move forward very fast and learn from each other :

                1. Current developed in wire by changing magnetic field depends on what ?
                2. On what it DOES'NT depend ?

                I agree that actually the electric field is the motive force in circuits but magnetic fields are very important and Ed Leedscalnin knew that we fight magnetic fields with electric source dipole.
                High impedance to a low impedance, continuous exchange of voltage to current (electric to magnetic), a reflection of energy between coils, between plates. A harmonic resonant exchange of energies between storage devices. One feeds the other, always in balance yet always out of balance. 2 odds and 1 even.

                I don't have any satisfactory answers to your questions only experiments that prove there is an answer... continue re-arranging the questions until the answer becomes apparent.

                If you cut 4 exact lengths of wire all of the same diameter (all equal mass) then wind one on a 2" form wind the next on a 4" form then the third on an 8" form will they all have the same frequency? If one had 100 turns, the next 50 turns and lastly 25 turns would they step up or down the voltage and/or current? What would you do with the last wire?.....

                It's usually the most simplistic answer that reveals the truth in any question...

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                • Thanks for ALL those pics!

                  Thanks for the PICS.Very detailed stuff.

                  Best regards,

                  Ged

                  Originally posted by soundiceuk View Post
                  [IMG]http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h404/soun

                  I think that's the lot now, apart from the pics of Don himself.

                  Please add to your archives!

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                  • Here is the AEG simplified into the easiest form I believe possible.

                    I'm looking forward to seeing what adding a ground earth a load then a return ground earth can do, especially with an oscillator.

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                    • sweet that was you?

                      Originally posted by bolt1 View Post
                      Im glad to see that Don Smith video i put up is still working after all these years!

                      36,699 viewings
                      THANKYOU SO MUCH, any Don videos are priceless
                      In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities.
                      In the expert's mind there are few.
                      -Shunryu Suzuki

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                      • Originally posted by dragon View Post
                        High impedance to a low impedance, continuous exchange of voltage to current (electric to magnetic), a reflection of energy between coils, between plates. A harmonic resonant exchange of energies between storage devices. One feeds the other, always in balance yet always out of balance. 2 odds and 1 even.

                        I don't have any satisfactory answers to your questions only experiments that prove there is an answer... continue re-arranging the questions until the answer becomes apparent.

                        If you cut 4 exact lengths of wire all of the same diameter (all equal mass) then wind one on a 2" form wind the next on a 4" form then the third on an 8" form will they all have the same frequency? If one had 100 turns, the next 50 turns and lastly 25 turns would they step up or down the voltage and/or current? What would you do with the last wire?.....

                        It's usually the most simplistic answer that reveals the truth in any question...
                        KISS, keep it super simple

                        Think about the direction of generated current in wire by magnetic field induction. The secret is simple thinking and questioning things !
                        Everybody talks and teaches about what the current generated in wire is based on ...but the essence is asking yourself : what is it NOT dependent on ?

                        Sorry if my limited English makes it more difficult

                        Could we continue ?
                        Last edited by boguslaw; 02-28-2012, 10:17 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
                          KISS, keep it super simple

                          Think about the direction of generated current in wire by magnetic field induction. The secret is simple thinking and questioning things !
                          Everybody talks and teaches about what the current generated in wire is based on ...but the essence is asking yourself : what is it NOT dependent on ?

                          Sorry if my limited English makes it more difficult

                          Could we continue ?
                          Ok, I'll play along... when a magnetic field passes a wire in a closed circuit it produces a field that is equal and opposite to that field producing it - basic Lenz law. If we create a magnetic field in an open circuit and remove the magnet before the field collapses and close the circuit during the collapse (timed load) we can generate energy and there is no opposing interaction with the original source, excluding normal iron losses and cogging. So it's not dependent on an input force that is equal to that produced.

                          Say what you mean... then we will make it happen...

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                          • Don's tube device

                            Did anyone try to make schematic from those Don Smith pictures of the tube device ? Look up closely and you see that the GDT is connected directly to NST and capacitor is after it ! Diodes feed the tank circuit and nothing happens until there is ground spark (Utkin). When spark occurs energy is sucked from the ground in the tank circuit. Lets say energy goes back and forth in tank circuit 100 times before its strength drops to 50%. Resonance occurs when energy in capacitor is on the plate that is connected to diodes: little energy is required to fill it. If NST runs at 35 kHz, then this 100 assumption would give 3.5 MHz in secondaries. Tesla said that coil length must be one quarter of electric disturbance, that means wavelength to me. Speed of light gives about 300 MHz and 1 meter of wire would be full wave length. So to seek for optimum resonance with just 35 kHz would mean quite a long secondary dont you think ?

                            So we need to have two resonance conditions. First to feed the tank circuit in primary in resonance and second is resonance with L1 and L2 coils.

                            When you look at the output, there is clearly a quarter wave resonator with cap on one side. L2 side does not affect input, this also explained by Utkin. Connections for secondary side are clearly visible, no quess work required.

                            If this tube device was a working version, then the answer is in those pictures. Study them and make experiments. Skip the NST first, it could be difficult to find first resonance condition. Unless you have tunable capacitor.

                            I did not actually see from these pictures ground connection, I quessed it. Does not mean that it is correct quess tho. Ground could also be elsewhere in primary side. I have noticed that ground after diodes and before spark gap increases action in the spark gap. Common sense tells me that after diodes there is positive voltage and ground is negative and stuff wants to go to positive.

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                            • Welcome on Board Jack.N !
                              You maybe are up to something with your way of view about the tube device.
                              Would you mind,please to draw a schematic as how it might be connected ?!
                              Thanks.
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                              • I was thinking about symmetry and asymmetry.

                                I do not have a scope so this is likely not something I can check but,

                                Has anyone played with the asymmetry of just the wave, as in, pulsed dc but with a portion in the negative volts range, or other types of manipulations of the wave.

                                Thug

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