Stanley Meyer Explained

[tutanka]

Well you should then be happy that I gave a class on the conservation of mass. In all of what you posted you will notice one thing, N2O is made when N + O + 1300C---> NO + O3 + sunlight ---> N2O + O2. The gas processor is going to get no where near 1300C for Alumininum melts at 660C. Just thought you should know how N2O is made other way.


Do you think GP can handle 1300 degrees C? Also notice this device doesn't have the high concentrations of Nitrogen in that is it producing the hydrogen and oxygen on demand then going straight through the gas processor, and then giving thermo explosive energy. If people would take the time to actrually read the work of Stanley Meyer they would notice these things. For his rocket retrofit uses pure oxygen and hydrogen and has thermo explosive energy (gmt) and no nitrogen is present in the system at all. Now the rocket retrofit has the highest energy content of all of the retrofits.

You have just been given a free class of how Nitrogen is not apart of the combustable reaction in Stanley Meyer's system and is not apart of the gmt. I hope you see the value of the free edjucation you just recieved .


h2opower.

H2OPOWER,
N2O isn't created inside gas processor but inside injector.. Inside gas processor you create only NITROGEN ATOMIC WITHOUT OXYGEN an send to injector. Nitrogen atomic is use as catalyzed when mixed with water mist. About N+O+HV=N2O is the same reverse reaction of N2O+HV=O+N2 and how you can see N2O is obtain when NO pass trought HV field of injector, you can read it to at page 23. You are focalized only on oxygen but is nitrogen atomic responsible of split water and creation of N2O for thermal explosive energy. Not all is written on patents..

[h20power]

Thanks Bussi004,
For I spent a lot of time with that summary and it seems the Italians have hardened their positions. Any help I can give you have it. I am always questioning myself and I to wonder about the test of others. Some have contacted me thru PM's and all is going well.
The circuit I am working with I have to get scaned so I can post it, now I am not sure of certant parts of it but it is a good circuit to work with. Even I need help for as good as I am I don't have all the answers and I have to teach myself electronics. One thing I notice about myself is I am able to teach myself and that is not something a lot of people don't seem to be able to do.

I will go over the summary a few more times but as of right now I don't see anything wrong with it. I did add some pages to help better understand some of Meyers work. But I still want far more ways to get a car working on water than my own and that of Meyers. It's a fine line to walk to get people to do thier own work and weed out all the greedy, selfish, copycats, and those who want to keep the technology out of use. I will see if I can put all of the concepts together better.


h2opower.

[bussi04]

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This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source.
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[h20power]

I am not even going to start debating on this since i am not an expert on chemical reactions or how nitrogen and oxygen reacts.
this is one interesting link; Why does nitrogen and oxygen not give nitrate oxides in the atmosphere when they react....collison theory?? - Yahoo! Answers

and here is a book about Nitrogen and Oxygen Interactions;


I am not the one to judge anything, it is not my fight so to say - all i am doing is to keep my eyes open for interesting input and what Tutanka is describing is
2N+H2O+hv --> 2NO+H2...

THIS IS FOR THEM HOW FEEL IT IS INTERESTING TO FOLLOW.

Well you should then be happy that I gave a class on the conservation of mass. In all of what you posted you will notice one thing, N2O is made when N + O + 1300C---> NO + O3 + sunlight ---> N2O + O2. The gas processor is going to get no where near 1300C for Alumininum melts at 660C. Just thought you should know how N2O is made other way.

Now looking at the hydrogen gas gun:

Do you think it can handle 1300 degrees C? Also notice this device doesn't have the high concentrations of Nitrogen in that is it producing the hydrogen and oxygen on demand then going straight through the gas processor, and then giving thermo explosive energy. If people would take the time to actrually read the work of Stanley Meyer they would notice these things. For his rocket retrofit uses pure oxygen and hydrogen and has thermo explosive energy (gmt) and no nitrogen is present in the system at all. Now the rocket retrofit has the highest energy content of all of the retrofits.

You have just been given a free class of how Nitrogen is not apart of the combustable reaction in Stanley Meyer's system and is not apart of the gmt. I hope you see the value of the free edjucation you just recieved .


h2opower.

[Oneminde]

I am not even going to start debating on this since i am not an expert on chemical reactions or how nitrogen and oxygen reacts.
this is one interesting link; Why does nitrogen and oxygen not give nitrate oxides in the atmosphere when they react....collison theory?? - Yahoo! Answers

and here is a book about Nitrogen and Oxygen Interactions;


I am not the one to judge anything, it is not my fight so to say - all i am doing is to keep my eyes open for interesting input and what Tutanka is describing is
2N+H2O+hv --> 2NO+H2...

THIS IS FOR THEM HOW FEEL IT IS INTERESTING TO FOLLOW.

[tutanka]

So any inert gases or noble gases found in the air will serve to absorb heat, expand, and aid in pushing down the piston, nothing more. Oxygen and Hydrogen are reactive gases.


h2opower.

In standard engines inert gas have a sense.. In Meyer system not, all is different. We have two different concepts, maybe you have right maybe not. However at this point only words don't have sense. I think that you are working on system, in this way when you are ready or start test please inform us with video or images about results. Thanks in advance

[h20power]

Inert gas
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An inert gas is any gas that is not reactive with elements.

Unlike the noble gases an inert gas is not necessarily elemental, and is often a compound gas. Like the noble gases the tendency for non-reactivity is due to the valence, the outermost electron shell, being complete in all the inert gases. This is a tendency, not a rule, as noble gases and other "inert" gases can react to form compounds.

Helium and neon are the only true elemental inert gases, because they do not form any (known) true chemical compounds, unlike the heavier noble gases (argon, krypton, xenon and radon).

In marine applications, inert gas refers to gases with a low content of oxygen that are used to fill void spaces in and around tanks for explosion protection. There are two types of inert gas which are either based on nitrogen or on flue gas.

Contents [hide]
1 Production
2 Applications
3 Welding
4 Inert gas blanketing
5 Manufacturers
6 See also



[edit] Production
The elemental inert gases are usually obtained by evaporating them off from condensed air at their respective

Nitrogen based inert gas is produced on board of chemical tankers and product carrieres (smaller vessels) with compressors and a Nitrogen specific membrane.

Inert gas is produced on board crude oil carriers (above 20000 tonnes) by using either a Flue Gas system or by burning kerosene in a dedicated inert gas generator. The flue gas system uses the boiler exhaust as its source, so it's important that the fuel/air ratio in the boiler burners is properly regulated to ensure that high quality IG is produced. Too much air would result in an oxygen content exceeding 5%, too much fuel oil would result in carryover of dangerous hydrocarbon gas. The flue gas is cleaned and cooled by the scrubber tower. Various safety devices prevent overpressure, return of hydrocarbon gas to the engine room or supply of IG with too high oxygen content. Gas tankers and product carriers cannot rely on flue gas systems (because they require IG with O2 content of 1% or less) and so use IGGs instead. The Inert Gas Generator consists of a combustion chamber and scrubber unit supplied by fans and a refrigeration unit which cools the gas. A drier in series with the system removes moisture from the gas before it is supplied to the deck. Regular calibration and testing to equipment is required to ensure that it works correctly..


[edit] Applications
Because of the non-reactive properties of inert gases they are often useful to prevent undesirable chemical reactions from taking place. For example molecular nitrogen, a molecular inert gas, is often used in food packaging to ensure that food does not spoil in transit since no bacteria or fungi can flourish without the reactive gases oxygen or carbon dioxide, which the molecular nitrogen displaces, since most extant cells on Earth require the reactions which these gases are involved in to function. Most importantly since molecular nitrogen is inert it will not cause any reactions to take place in the food, possibly changing the intrinsic taste or smell, nor will it cause any chemical reactions in the human body. Thus the inert gas is used as a passive preservative, preventing biological decay, while being undetectable to the consumer since taste and olfactory senses require a chemical reaction to take place in order to send a signal to the brain. This is in contrast to active preservatives which react with the biological material of bacteria, fungi, and possibly the food itself changing the food's intrinsic taste or smell, or may even act directly on the consumer's taste and olfactory mechanisms.

As chemists sometimes need to perform experiments on air-sensitive compounds, air-free techniques have been developed to handle them under inert gas.


[edit] Welding
In Gas Tungsten Arc Welding (GTAW) inert gases are used to shield the tungsten from contamination. It also shields the fluid metal (created from the arc) from the reactive gases in air which can cause porosity in the solidified weld puddle. Inert gases are also used in Gas Metal Arc Welding (GMAW) for welding non-ferrous metals. Some gases which are not usually considered inert but which behave like inert gases in all the circumstances likely to be encountered in some use can often be used as a substitute for an inert gas. This is useful when an appropriate pseudo-inert gas can be found which is inexpensive and common. For example carbon dioxide is sometimes used in gas mixtures for GMAW because it is not reactive to the weld pool created by arc welding. But it is reactive to the arc. The more Carbon dioxide that is added to the inert gas such as argon will increase your penetration. The amount of carbon dioxide is often determined by what kind of transfer you will be using in GMAW. The most common is Spray Arc Transfer, and the most commonly used gas mixture for spray arc transfer is 85% Argon and 15% carbon dioxide. (Listed as many different names depending on the gas supplier).


[edit] Inert gas blanketing
On oil tankers inert gas (IG) is used to prevent the atmosphere in cargo tanks or bunkers from coming into the explosive range. IG keeps the oxygen content of the tank atmosphere below 8% (on crude carriers, less for product carriers and gas tankers), thus making any air/hydrocarbon gas mixture in the tank too lean to ignite. IG is most important during discharging and during the ballast voyage when more hydrocarbon vapour is likely to be present in the tank atmosphere. IG can also be used to purge the tank of the volatile atmosphere in preparation for gas freeing - replacing the atmosphere with breathable air - or visa versa. Cargo tanks on gas carriers are not inerted, but the hold space around them is. This arrangement allows the tanks to be kept cool using a small heel of cargo while the vessel is in ballast while retaining the explosion protection provided by the inert gas.


[edit] Manufacturers
MVS Engineering, New Delhi, India - Manufacturer of Inert Gas Generators


[edit] See also
inerting system
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas"

So any inert gases or noble gases found in the air will serve to absorb heat, expand, and aid in pushing down the piston, nothing more. Oxygen and Hydrogen are reactive gases.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

Inert Nitrogen (78 percent of the air) is absolutely essential.

It is this that prevents the horrible detonation and runaway heat problems that your car would have by absorbing the heat generated and expanding to shove the piston down. It is the most abundant gas in the combustion chamber. And it really does need to be. Nitrogen might even be stripped of electrons but that doesn't change it from being an Inert Gas. The reaction generating the heat in the system is coming from the Hydrogen and Oxygen.

As I have stated earlier the Gas Processor can not create Nitrous Oxide. Nitrous oxide is most commonly prepared by careful heating of ammonium nitrate. And if it did, by some means of magic, the concervation of mass comes into play for the Nitrous oxide that would be created in this magical world would be created from the very supply of oxygen and nitrogen coming into the system so there is no net gain of an oxidizer or nitrogen.

Now if you hook up a NOS system and add Nitrous oxide to the system then yes apon ignition you would get a net gain in oxidizer and nitrogen (aproximently 64%) because you physically put the gas into the system.

So tutanka with all due respect learn some science. For you are saying that you start of with given mass of substance then take from that mass a given amount and make something with it and then add it back to the given mass you started out with and it will be more some magical way giving you more mass than you started off with. Can anyone else see the flaw of his logic or is it just me

So please no more talk of magic for magic is ment to entertain people, which is why I said it belongs in hollywood, and not to teach anyone anything.

But the main thing that really chaps my hide about all of this is some of you out there started beliving it.


h2opower.

H2OPOWER,
If is true that oxygen and nitrohge atomic remain neutral inot GP isn't trueout of that. Out of GP nitrogen and oxygen atomic are combined into nitric oxide. And sorry nitrogen is more of oxygen inside ambient air an is this the way for reach more hydrogen amount. I remember that are the exaust gs remixed into injector for prevent orrible detonation.. or not.. However H2opower I'm not agree with you, in your reaction initially you have consider only oxygen and not nitrogen that I think is fundamental , for thi please finish your system and after post an true video. In the meatime I work on mine system.. Regards

[h20power]

Inert Nitrogen (78 percent of the air) is absolutely essential.

It is this that prevents the horrible detonation and runaway heat problems that your car would have by absorbing the heat generated and expanding to shove the piston down. It is the most abundant gas in the combustion chamber. And it really does need to be. Nitrogen might even be stripped of electrons but that doesn't change it from being an Inert Gas. The reaction generating the heat in the system is coming from the Hydrogen and Oxygen.

As I have stated earlier the Gas Processor can not create Nitrous Oxide. Nitrous oxide is most commonly prepared by careful heating of ammonium nitrate. And if it did, by some means of magic, the concervation of mass comes into play for the Nitrous oxide that would be created in this magical world would be created from the very supply of oxygen and nitrogen coming into the system so there is no net gain of an oxidizer or nitrogen.

Now if you hook up a NOS system and add Nitrous oxide to the system then yes apon ignition you would get a net gain in oxidizer and nitrogen (aproximently 64%) because you physically put the gas into the system.

So tutanka with all due respect learn some science. For you are saying that you start of with given mass of substance then take from that mass a given amount and make something with it and then add it back to the given mass you started out with and it will be more some magical way giving you more mass than you started off with. Can anyone else see the flaw of his logic or is it just me

So please no more talk of magic for magic is ment to entertain people, which is why I said it belongs in hollywood, and not to teach anyone anything.

But the main thing that really chaps my hide about all of this is some of you out there started beliving it.


h2opower.

[tutanka]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 3 FORCES AT WORK ON THE GP?

THIS PREVENTS THE FORMATION OF O3.

1. HIGH VOLTACE, LOW AMPERAGE HIGH FREQUENCY PULSES
2. LIGHT / PHOTONS KNOCKING LOOSE THE EXTENDED ELECTRONS
3. MAGNETIC COILS OF WIRE AT EACH END OF THE GP CAUSING THOSE ELECTRONS THAT ARE KICKED LOOSE TO SHOOT TO THE EXTRACTION GRID AT VERY HIGH SPEED, BASICALLY THE GP IS AN ELECTRON GUN EXCEPT THAT THE ELECTRONS NEVER MAKE IT PAST THE GRID

THESE THREE FORCES WHEN COMBINED, MAKE THE FORMATION OF OZONE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE OXYGEN ATOMS CANNOT STABILIZE TO A NEUTRAL STATE AND FORM O3.

THEY REMAIN AS "O" (SINGLE, MONOATOMIC)
BECAUSE THEY STAY POSITIVELY CHARGED ( LACKING ELECTRONS)
AND OPPOSITE CHARGES ( OR NEUTRAL CHARGES) CAN LINK UP, BUT LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACHOTHER.....THEY STAY MONOATOMIC UNTIL THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH A GROUNDED METAL PART OF THE SYSTEM OR WHEN THEY BREAK THE COVALENT BOND OF A WATER MOLECULE...THIS IS WHY THE MIXING CHAMBER FOR THE WATER FOG, EXHAUST AND IONIZED OXYGEN IS MADE OF NYLON, SO ARE THE PUMP BODIES, THE GP, THE TUBING, THE SOLENOID DELIVERY VALVES.... THE ONLY TIME THE MIX TOUCHES A GROUND, OR SOURCE OF ELECTRONS IS AT THE TAPER RESONANT CAVITY...
AND THEN IT DOESNT MATTER CAUSE THE HYDROGEN GAS IS BEING ZAPPED THERE AS WELL TO PUMP UP THE POSITIVE CHARGES AND FINISH FORMING EVERY SINGLE WATER MOLECULE LEFT INTO SEPERATE H AND O GASES THAT SOMEHOW MADE IT PAST THE MIXING CHAMBER

INJECTION DURING INTAKE STROKE...

KABOOM AT TDC....

VERY SIMPLE

THE GP DOES NOT DO THE SAME THING AS THE SUN.... IT IS AN OXYGEN IONIZER THAT CONSUMES ELECTRONS PREVENTING THE FORMATION OF OZONE
O3 IS VERY CORROSIVE, AND IF ALLOWED TO ENTER ENGINE WOULD DAMAGE MOVING PARTS WITHIN WEEKS...

PLEASE READ THE PATENTS.....

TRON,
I CAN ACCEPT YOUR EXPLAIN ON GP ABOUT OXYGEN BUT NITROGEN PRESENT ON AIR?? STOPPED TO EXIST IN MEYER SYSTEM?? IN THIS WAY GP IS ALSO MAGIC TUBE? I REMEMBER TO YOU THAT NITROGEN IS PRESENT MORE OF OXYGEN AND REACT WITH HV FIELD AS OXYGEN IN THIS WAY ON YOUR PRINCIPLE YOU OBTAIN INSIDE GAS PROCESSOR ALSO NITROGEN ATOMIC AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW NITROGEN ATOMIC IS VERY INSTABLE AND REACTIVE ATOM WITH OXYGEN.. CHEMICALLY YOU OBTAIN NO AND/OR NO2.. BUT NOT INSIDE GP? WHY YOU DON'T MENTIONED NITROGEN?? I THINK IT DISTURB YOUR CONCEPT? CAN BE DIFFERENT AS GP WORK? PLEASE YOU FOLLOW ME.. IF FOR A MONET YOU FORGT OXYGEN AND FOCALIZE YOUR MIND ON NITROGEN YOU OBTAIN THAT.. INSIDE GP OXYGEN MOLECULAR 21-23% IS ELIMINATED (LOW AMOUNT) AND REMAIN ONLY NITROGEN MOLECULAR 78% (LARGE AMOUNT). GAS PROCESSOR START TREATMENT AND YOU OBTAIN MORE NITROGEN ATOMIC THAT AS I HAVE WRITTEN IS VERY REACTIVE WITH OXYGEN. THIS IS SEND TO MEYER INJECTOR AND IS USED AS CATALYZED INSIDE REACTION. PLEASE REALIZE THAT..FOR OBTAIN SOME HYDROGEN FROM INJECTOR REACTION YOU NEED SOME CATALYZED NOT LOW.. IN THIS WAY WATER MIST WITH NITROGEN ATOMIC REACT VERY FASTLY AND YOU OBTAIN AS RESULT NITRIC OXIDE. THIS PARTECIPATE TO COMBUSTION INSIDE CYLINDER INSTEAD TO USE NORMAL AIR AND START AN CHAIN REACTION FOR IT I THINK THAT NITROGEN IS THE VERY RESPONSIBLE OF THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY ON MEYER SYSTEM. I'M WAITING YOUR REPLY

[TRON]

Please Understand

You reply but don't have idea about reactions.. If you ionize O2 you destabilize O2 and obtain O+O but O react immediately with O2 forming O3, in this way the reaction is O + O2 → O3. As written O3 is very instable oxygen molecule and is this to react with water mist inside injector throught HV.

The right reaction when O3 is formed is: O2 + O + M → O3 + M

Where "M" once again denotes the third body that carries off the excess energy of the reaction. In this way, the chemical energy released when O and O2 combine is converted into kinetic energy of molecular motion.
With GP you create artificially the same condition of Sun as you can see in this image..

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 3 FORCES AT WORK ON THE GP?

THIS PREVENTS THE FORMATION OF O3.

1. HIGH VOLTACE, LOW AMPERAGE HIGH FREQUENCY PULSES
2. LIGHT / PHOTONS KNOCKING LOOSE THE EXTENDED ELECTRONS
3. MAGNETIC COILS OF WIRE AT EACH END OF THE GP CAUSING THOSE ELECTRONS THAT ARE KICKED LOOSE TO SHOOT TO THE EXTRACTION GRID AT VERY HIGH SPEED, BASICALLY THE GP IS AN ELECTRON GUN EXCEPT THAT THE ELECTRONS NEVER MAKE IT PAST THE GRID

THESE THREE FORCES WHEN COMBINED, MAKE THE FORMATION OF OZONE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE THE OXYGEN ATOMS CANNOT STABILIZE TO A NEUTRAL STATE AND FORM O3.

THEY REMAIN AS "O" (SINGLE, MONOATOMIC)
BECAUSE THEY STAY POSITIVELY CHARGED ( LACKING ELECTRONS)
AND OPPOSITE CHARGES ( OR NEUTRAL CHARGES) CAN LINK UP, BUT LIKE CHARGES REPEL EACHOTHER.....THEY STAY MONOATOMIC UNTIL THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH A GROUNDED METAL PART OF THE SYSTEM OR WHEN THEY BREAK THE COVALENT BOND OF A WATER MOLECULE...THIS IS WHY THE MIXING CHAMBER FOR THE WATER FOG, EXHAUST AND IONIZED OXYGEN IS MADE OF NYLON, SO ARE THE PUMP BODIES, THE GP, THE TUBING, THE SOLENOID DELIVERY VALVES.... THE ONLY TIME THE MIX TOUCHES A GROUND, OR SOURCE OF ELECTRONS IS AT THE TAPER RESONANT CAVITY...
AND THEN IT DOESNT MATTER CAUSE THE HYDROGEN GAS IS BEING ZAPPED THERE AS WELL TO PUMP UP THE POSITIVE CHARGES AND FINISH FORMING EVERY SINGLE WATER MOLECULE LEFT INTO SEPERATE H AND O GASES THAT SOMEHOW MADE IT PAST THE MIXING CHAMBER

INJECTION DURING INTAKE STROKE...

KABOOM AT TDC....

VERY SIMPLE

THE GP DOES NOT DO THE SAME THING AS THE SUN.... IT IS AN OXYGEN IONIZER THAT CONSUMES ELECTRONS PREVENTING THE FORMATION OF OZONE
O3 IS VERY CORROSIVE, AND IF ALLOWED TO ENTER ENGINE WOULD DAMAGE MOVING PARTS WITHIN WEEKS...

PLEASE READ THE PATENTS.....

[Oneminde]

@CPU3rother
I will take a further look at what you are pointing out.
...

This is how things are - "i know something and you have to figure it out." - But that is okey. There are still things missing, this is not plug-and-play. If everything was covered, everyone whould have built the system...

[chasson321]

It is in Meyer's Patents

Hi H2o sincerely i would like to tell you the information you showed is of very good quality but too much general, not even one person here understood what you intend by eec as its not just like put a light bulb in series with wfc or whatever i hope you can explain better your theories or no one will arrive not even near this technology. I read all your posts and i don't know what are you talking about. I'm following my own concepts and the information science gave to me in the form of know how.

People have read my thread and understood what i'm talking about because it makes sense as lc circuits works this way. Because i didn't talked generally i gave practical examples. If you want make drawings of the way you connect your eec to have it working, values of inductance coil resistance capacitance ... this way is easier to get it out.
check my thread too as i'm inputing more and more information
good luck

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html

Try reading Meyers' patents. The EEC is mentioned quite a few times.

[tutanka]

I am going to ad an image that i feel is telling much of what meyer did whit the VIC and he's capacitors, note that i have formaly stoped using water fuel cell, it is counter productive.



The VIC setup here shows much of what h2o is talking about, it illustrates it in parts.
I am updating myself on the VIC, so in time i will post information on it to help the forum even more on these devices.

Take care

[sebosfato]

Hi H2o sincerely i would like to tell you the information you showed is of very good quality but too much general, not even one person here understood what you intend by eec as its not just like put a light bulb in series with wfc or whatever i hope you can explain better your theories or no one will arrive not even near this technology. I read all your posts and i don't know what are you talking about. I'm following my own concepts and the information science gave to me in the form of know how.

People have read my thread and understood what i'm talking about because it makes sense as lc circuits works this way. Because i didn't talked generally i gave practical examples. If you want make drawings of the way you connect your eec to have it working, values of inductance coil resistance capacitance ... this way is easier to get it out.
check my thread too as i'm inputing more and more information
good luck

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html