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  • h20power
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    Originally posted by mmm_66 View Post
    Hi everyone...
    All I can say is a big "THANK YOU" to each and everyone of you who contributed all the information you have supplied in this forum. I have been in other forums that didn't even come close to having a clue what they were talking about. Keep up the great work. For me it is starting to pay off tremendously and as I progress more I will post my results. With great respect to each one of you.
    On behalf of all of us I want to say your very welcome .

    Now I wanted to talk about something that has been bugging me greatly. It is the proposed theory of Nitrous oxide (N2O) I will go over this right now in great detail to show why the theory breaks down when you take a close look at it.

    Nitrous oxide(N2O)


    I will put it to everyone as simply as I can.
    nitrous oxide | using nitrous oxide systems in combustion engines
    A property of nitrous oxide is that at about 565 degrees F., it breaks down into nitrogen and oxygen. When it is introduced into the intake tract of an internal combustion engine, it is sucked into the combustion chamber and, on the compression stroke, when the charge air temperature reaches 565 deg., a very oxygen-rich mixture results. If we add extra fuel during nitrous oxide injection, the effect is like a super charger or increasing the compression ratio of the engine. Automotive nitrous systems work like the automotive equivalent of a jet's "afterburner" and is used for short duration extra bursts of power.
    Nitrous oxide has this effect because it has a higher percentage of oxygen content than does the air in the atmosphere. Nitrous has 36% oxygen by weight and the atmosphere has 21%. Additionally, nitrous oxide is 50% more dense than air at the same pressure. Thus, a cubic foot of nitrous oxide contains 2.3 times as much oxygen as a cubic foot of air. Just do a bit of math in your head and you can see if we substitute some nitrous oxide for some of the air going into an engine then add the appropriate amount of additional fuel, the engine is going to put out more power.
    The balloon logic


    If I give you a balloon full of air and told you to make all of the nitrogen found in it into NO2 how much oxygen would you have left over? Given that Nitrogen makes up 78% of our air and oxygen only 21%? Composition of Our Atmosphere - Geography For Kids - By KidsGeo.com The answer is none as all the oxygen would be used up to create nitrous oxide and since it is a two to one ratio then only 42% of the nitrogen would be used to create nitrous oxide. That leaves 36% of the air as pure nitrogen. Since this balloon is all you get to play with in running your ICE, then what is left to combust with the hydrogen? Answer, is nothing. You would not get the engine running at all as Nitrous oxide is non combustible.
    If you convert half into nitrous oxide then only 10.5% of the oxygen will be will be available to form into water after ignition in the presence of hydrogen. Remember this balloon is all you get to use and we in the science world call this balloon "The Conservation of Mass." So to create nitrous oxide really results in a net loss of energy as it takes energy to create it. Oxygen is the oxidizer and without it you will not get a reaction. So, if you create nitrous oxide from the balloon and use what oxygen is left over to combust with hydrogen then there is no net gain combustible substance but only a net loss.
    It takes heat, as shown in the above quote, to break down the nitrous oxide in an internal combustion engine run on gasoline the heat of the hydrogen found in the fuel is used to break down the nitrous oxide, but the key thing tutanka is missing is the nitrous oxide that goes into an internal combustion engine comes from a second balloon which is better known as a nitrous oxide injection system , short form NOS. This heat from the reaction of the gasoline breaks down the newly added nitrous oxide and then you have one more oxygen atom per molecule of nitrous oxide available for combustion with more gasoline. But this is a two balloon system not a one balloon system as tutanka is saying is possible with only a one balloon system. If you only have one balloon you can not get more oxygen in the system available for combustion with the hydrogen, and as I have just shown you if you do convert some oxygen from the system you have less oxygen atoms available for combustion with the hydrogen atoms. The intake of any car is a one balloon system, unless you have installed a nitrous oxide injection system complete with a NOS tank which makes it a two balloon system by default.
    Now do you understand why his theory breaks down when you take a closer look at it? For what he is saying is he has found away to make more oxygen than that from which he started out with. Nitrous oxide is a non explosive compound, nitrogen gas is non explosive. The only gas in the whole system that is explosive is hydrogen. And note this hydrogen does not combine with nitrogen in an explosive manor. The result of hydrogen forming with nitrogen that is explosive after it is made is HNO3: http://www.lycos.com/info/nitric-acid--hno3.html learn how it is made.

    Now there is even more that should be said with it as his theory just keeps breaking down when looked at closely, but I am the one that is being made out to look like a fool. In the reaction with gasoline one has to understand that oxygen is the limiting reagent or in other words there isn't enough of it to complete the reaction fully. For we all know that some of the oxygen is used for combustion, and some for creation of CO2, CO, and NO as a result there isn't enough oxygen in the system to burn all the fuel with it's slow burn rate. Now nitrous oxide is introduced to the system with another bottle and at 565 degrees F the nitrous oxide breaks down providing extra oxygen to be use for combustion with the hydrogen in gasoline. That is how it works to boost power of the system by adding in more oxygen. But the key point here is that this is a two balloon system not a single balloon system as tutanka is saying can take place.

    Now in sharp contrast the system in which Stanley Meyer used, hydrogen is the limiting reagent as when it is made it already has the perfect amount of oxygen needed for combustion, and then you add in more oxygen from the outside air supply. So with that in mind if you where to add a NOS injection system to the car what would be the point of adding in more oxygen when there is already too much in the system? Plus that oxygen will be untreated by the Gas Processor and/or Water Fuel Injectors not missing any electrons. His non understanding of how a NOS system works in a standard gasoline driven internal combustion engine is his down fall, plus the fact he doesn't seem to know that Stanley Meyers system has too much oxygen in it already for it is the hydrogen that is the limiting reagent and not the oxygen as is the case for the gasoline fueled system. I should call that system the Rothechild/Rockfeller system since they are the primary people driving the gasoline system to be maintained and taking in a lot of the profits.

    But that is not it on how his theory falls apart when looked at closely. How the nitrous oxide is formed is yet another issue. In nature nitrous oxide is formed when nitrogen monoxide(NO) + ozone(O3) + sunlight interact to form the nitrous oxide compound. Other ways it is made it has to be derived from something else. Now you have to ask how is NO formed? And it turns out that to make NO takes a lot of heat something like 1400 degrees or so. So first you have to have the NO and O3 present plus the correct wavelengths of light energy to produce nitrous oxide. That you are not going to get from sucking in air from our air supply, one big balloon most of us call earth. So as you can see his theory just doesn't hold up, but I am the one that is being made out to be the stupid one not living in the real world. Nitrous - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now at first when he proposed the theory I didn't know if it could work or not, so I looked into it with an open mind, but look deeply into it I did and what I found out was, it will not work that way. Note it did make me understand Meyer system a whole lot better so for that I should thank him and perhaps I will. For if he hadn't suggested it I wouldn't have learned the Meyer system is an hydrogen deficient system totally unlike gasolines oxygen deficient system. It is the conservation of mass that prevents his theory from working correctly and how nitrous oxide is formed and/or created in general. For in his system he has not identified just where the nitrous oxide will be coming from and/or where it will be formed as it travels down the cars intake system, the Gas Processor now being a part of that system for it is found in both of Stanley Meyer's designs (gaseous injection system and the water injection system).

    Now I wrote this so that everyone can see why I say it can't work that way for themselves given the same data and information I looked at to draw that conclusion. Here are previous post that I also show more information on the subject:


    From: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post65421
    Inert Nitrogen (78 percent of the air) is absolutely essential.

    It is this that prevents the horrible detonation and runaway heat problems that your car would have by absorbing the heat generated and expanding to shove the piston down. It is the most abundant gas in the combustion chamber. And it really does need to be. Nitrogen might even be stripped of electrons but that doesn't change it from being an Inert Gas. The reaction generating the heat in the system is coming from the Hydrogen and Oxygen.

    As I have stated earlier the Gas Processor can not create Nitrous Oxide. Nitrous oxide is most commonly prepared by careful heating of ammonium nitrate. And if it did, by some means of magic, the conservation of mass comes into play for the Nitrous oxide that would be created in this magical world would be created from the very supply of oxygen and nitrogen coming into the system so there is no net gain of an oxidizer or nitrogen.

    Now if you hook up a NOS system and add Nitrous oxide to the system then yes upon ignition you would get a net gain in oxidizer and nitrogen (approximately 64%) because you physically put the gas into the system.
    I hope this clears things up so we stop having these opposing points of view on Stanley Meyer's patents.

    Let me know if this was informative or not, okay everyone?

    Energy independence is our goal so lets get too it and keep our noses to the grindstone,

    h2opower.

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  • mmm_66
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    Thank You All

    Hi everyone...
    All I can say is a big "THANK YOU" to each and everyone of you who contributed all the information you have supplied in this forum. I have been in other forums that didnt even come close to having a clue what they were talking about. Keep up the great work. For me it is starting to pay off tremendously and as I progress more I will post my results. With great respect to each one of you.

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  • h20power
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    Originally posted by Toborg View Post
    Just more useless talk. Nothing, its not about me, you or any one person, its about every ones future. I don't have to read all of this tread to understand that you are no closer then anyone else. I will say this, We now know what not to do. Good luck guys, I just hope that the one person who does get it right will freely share it with the world. Your not very good at being condescending. Work at it you my get better one day. Night all.
    But you never answered even one question. In your use of the word condescending I take it you don't believe that I will share this information with you openly and freely, right? For you think I am in this for the money and will take from everyone reading this thread, by offering to make units for people that can not, of course for a price, am I right in my interpretation of your thoughts of me?

    You think I am scam artist of some kind and that everything I put on this thread is all make believe, totally fake, even though I posted the math of the process, and so much more. Now for the people that can not make these units you best find someone that can, for I am not going to be making them for you. More than likely I will not even be in the country as I can see the the ship is sinking, and am not blinded by all the entertainment put out in front of me to distract me from these facts.

    In the course of your life you will perhaps never meet someone like me ever again, as I don't see too many people that think the same as I do. Breaking free of the mind control that have been placed all around you is a very hard thing to do. I wouldn't expect 1 in every 100k to have pulled their minds free of the mind control that has been placed upon them. Aaron Russo was one that broke free of their mind control, but he is dead now, and there are others, but they are very few in numbers.

    Yes, if I get it right you will have it also, that I make as a promise to everyone reading this thread. But you will have to build it or have it built and installed on your own, for as I already pointed out the clock is ticking. Good day to you Sir, and thanks for stopping by this little thread.


    h2opower.

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  • Toborg
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    Originally posted by h20power View Post
    Really what I read from you is this: You didn't take the time to read the thread fully because it is too long and will take too much of your time. Is that what your are really saying. Let me tell you something time is not the issue for the time it would take you to read the thread will pass no matter if you read it or not, so time it not the problem.

    You want a video of a working model, right, then what? As if seeing would be believing for someone that doesn't take the time to read. As I have said before, if I do make a video, all I will tell you to do is read the thread if you want to learn how to replicate one for yourself. I view a video as nothing more than entertainment, and I am not in the entertainment industry, no I am just someone that wants to be free, and pass that freedom on to my children.

    Right now much testing remains, but the way I set up the thread each and everyone of us should be running test based on the math & science I posted on their own.

    Question, have you built a Gas Processor?
    Did you understand that the circuit was being tested for functionality?
    Have you built a VIC transformer in anticipation of the circuit that controls it?
    What kind of testing have you been running to shed some light on things like what is the purpose of the electron extraction circuit?
    Have made any conclusions on which wavelengths you are going to try and/or use? and also why you picked them for use?
    Have you learn from this thread what the explosive mixture is according to the patents of Stanley Meyer?
    All of these questions and testings are for you to solve and try. And there are many more questions that you have to answer as this is a do it yourself thread, for if you want to be free of energy enslavement you are going to have to do the work for yourself and pass on, if you so choose, what you have learned to your fellow man. Do you think I am going to build a gas processor for you? or have a ready to go VIC transformer complete with matching circuitry for you? I am sorry but that is just not going to happen as this is to be a grassroots effort in breaking the addiction to coal and oil. Not all cars made will be able to be converted and as such each and everyone of us has to find a car/gen set that will accept the switch over. Much work remains but at least we have this thread to read and a lot of good people working towards the goal of energy independence utilizing Stanley Meyer's technology.

    I hope you see my point in my line of questioning,

    h2opower.
    Just more useless talk. Nothing, its not about me, you or any one person, its about every ones future. I don't have to read all of this tread to understand that you are no closer then anyone else. I will say this, We now know what not to do. Good luck guys, I just hope that the one person who does get it right will freely share it with the world. Your not very good at being condescending. Work at it you my get better one day. Night all.

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  • h20power
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    Originally posted by natone_m View Post
    This Article i read a while back makes references to the mortgage reset chart that the IMF put out in their risk assesment. The scariest part of the report i beleive is the mortgage reset chart on pg 8. Towards the end of 2010 we're going to see all heck break loose according to the chart.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/.../pdf/chap1.pdf
    Hi Natone_m,

    Yeah their charts are pretty close to the ones I have seen on this. Starting in Oct 2010 people will start to lose their homes again, and when it peaks in July 2011 25%, or more, of new people will have lost their homes on top of the ones that have already lost their homes. At this point the dollar will begin to buckle and start it's downward slide to an new currency and a new America, with Mexico and Canadian added in after that new currency is accepted.

    Now you can see my sense of urgency in getting this project completed in time to make a difference. Not just to save myself but for all the people that will be hurt by this take-over move by the Ruling Class. You want to know the strange thing about all of this? When they do this Americans will demand this new currency and the fall of America will take place with thunderous applause from it's brain dead citizens.

    All I can do is try to help, and this technology can help if it is received in time to make a difference. If I get it up and running too late then it will be of little use for the starving masses that will demand the new form of currency with the promise it will get their lives back in order. Only time will tell how all of this plays out.

    This is also apart of their plans and has to be dealt with very quickly if American is to survive:
    YouTube - Part 1| Keith Olbermann Special Comment: Freedom Of Speech Has Been Destroyed - 01/21/10
    YouTube - Part 2| Keith Olbermann Special Comment: Freedom Of Speech Has Been Destroyed - 01/21/10
    YouTube - A NEW DOLLAR : an insider from the fed banks meeting
    Keep your head up, for people like me are out there trying to help.

    h2opower.
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  • natone_m
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    This is interesting

    This Article i read a while back makes references to the mortgage reset chart that the IMF put out in their risk assesment. The scariest part of the report i beleive is the mortgage reset chart on pg 8. Towards the end of 2010 we're going to see all heck break loose according to the chart.

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  • h20power
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    Originally posted by natone_m View Post
    This is the wrong forum to bring this question up in... but what sources have you read that led you to this conclusion? I'm not in any way in disagreement with you but i would like to read your source on the whole dollar collapse issue. The currency issue is (as far as i'm concerned) this country's #1 domestic issue. I find it scarier than any agenda this administration is pushing.

    Nate
    Not really the wrong form as this is a sense of urgency I got this information from here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post77932 and I have no reason to not believe this individual. I took a look at many other things to see if this held up to a plan and guess what? the housing is set to have the biggest fall starting in mid 2011 when the housing low interest rates are up and people are already struggling to pay there mortgages and when that ends those same people will be forced to pay from $850 to $2100. There are other indicators I found but that is a big and easy one to see. But if you haven't started reading that thread you should do so as much information is in there that can give you a heads up on what the Ruling Class is planning, doing, and have done.

    Now if I can't this technology up and running in about 18 months time, and the dollar starts to collapse I will be unable to finish for I will all the sudden be broke and fighting to find ways to just put food on the table. This technology gives us a fighting chance for if a person has this technology they gain control of their energy needs and no longer have to pay a retailer for energy of any kind. What does that mean for the person that has this technology if the dollar folds? All money that would have been spent on heating, cooling, transportation, electricity, and everything that can be converted by this technology will become free of charge, for it will be controlled by the individual empowering them. This way when the crash happens you will not have your power cut off, waiting in long gas lines and paying through the nose for it, and can drive anywhere you want free of this planned dollar collapse. Now if you have farm equipment then you can convert all of your equipment and still sow the fields when oil prices reach record highs as oil, for the most part, will be obsolete when this technology is up and running. But if I don't get it up and running in about 18 months from now and share what I know to others, when the dollar folds, many will die as a result. So, now you can see that the clock is ticking, and if the technology you are working can't predictably be completed in that time frame, then you should drop it and move on to one that you can see getting it done in the time limit we have been given.

    This doesn't just affect Americans but any country that has a lot of dollars will also fall as we fall. Someone call this the beginning of the new dark age that took place in the 1400's. But we will have to wait and see how it all plays out. Remember killing 80-90% of the worlds population is also on their agenda. Right now because of oil and coal we have a population bubble, and if that bubble burst God help us all. And all "they" have to do is raise the prices so high that everyone else will starve to death trying to pay for it or just say we ran out, sorry world. This technology can save us from these horrific fates.


    h2opower.

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  • natone_m
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    Just curious

    Originally posted by h20power View Post
    We now have 21 months before the collapse of the dollar,
    This is the wrong forum to bring this question up in... but what sources have you read that led you to this conclusion? I'm not in any way in disagreement with you but i would like to read your source on the whole dollar collapse issue. The currency issue is (as far as i'm concerned) this country's #1 domestic issue. I find it scarier than any agenda this administration is pushing.

    Nate

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  • h20power
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    Now I am going to give an example of asking and answering ones own questions.

    I, in an earlier post, said that I think that the voltage zone of the injectors might not be needed as the math clearly shows the ionized oxygen atoms have enough energy to break down the water molecule if intimately mixed. In analyzing this I ask the question, show the full events as they take place inside of the intake system to see what is happening step by step, maybe something was overlooked?

    As it turned out when I did this I saw that indeed something was overlooked and that was the properties of water cohesion and adhesion effects on the resulting water plume and parts that surround the water plume as it travels towards the combustion chamber. If I was to inject water into the normal intake system of an injection car the water mist would pass around the intake valve and seat adhering to it as it does forming larger droplets. On anything in-between the site of injection towards the combustion chamber too include the combustion chamber itself would have water trying to stick to it forming larger water droplets in the process. That is not intimately mixing of the fuel gases. Now no one ever pointed this out to me to correct my thinking on this, but asking and answering my own question lead to the need for the voltage zone just after the injection site going towards the combustion chamber.

    That is not the only reason I found out it is needed, the resulting water plume would be attracted to itself forming larger water droplets as a result of water's cohesive properties and that will also not allow an intimate mixing with the ionized air gases. The job of the voltage zone can be in this case to place a image charge on the water droplets that make them repel from the walls or anything negative to include themselves. Now this does allow very intimate mixing of the two, water mist and ionized air gases.

    As you can see I am not perfect I make mistakes all the time. But what I have found out is that for me, there is no one there to point out these mistakes for me. Nope, I have to be the one that finds and corrects them when I do. Now most people don't take the sequence of events into account fully to see problems like these. Now this post did help me find these problems: http://www.energeticforum.com/39933-post96.html
    A quote taken from the patent found there.
    ...Furthermore, electrically charged liquid fuel droplets resist coalescing into larger droplets, thereby permitting the fuel to be mixed more thoroughly with the air...
    As you can see even I read my own thread for there is a lot of helpful information in there even for me the one who wrote it. So, what does this say for those people who choose not to read the thread and try and form an argument with me? Or for those people actively working on a project of their own design? Here I set up a challenge to all readers: http://www.energeticforum.com/49354-post197.html


    h2opower.
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  • h20power
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    Originally posted by Toborg View Post
    Howdy all,
    I've read allot but not all as there is just to much on this tread. I for what all has been said have yet to see a finished product nor has there been given a positive conclusion to any or all of what has been said here. Super Ion's and protons blah blah blah (SORRY) Please let us all see a product functioning at 43,863 joules/mol of hydrogen/oxygen production. Anyone, yes, please,,,,,,,,,, no, OK Just asking. Be well all and please just go do it. I am making and testing and getting better and better results each time with some set backs each time as well . Diff is that I'm doing and not talking or getting off track with all this wide talk an so many gismos. Very expensive. Hybrid transformers GOD ITS ENOUGH TO DRIVE ONE CRAZZZZYYYYY. Please forgive the shouting. I just would like to see a working model.
    Really what I read from you is this: You didn't take the time to read the thread fully because it is too long and will take too much of your time. Is that what your are really saying. Let me tell you something time is not the issue for the time it would take you to read the thread will pass no matter if you read it or not, so time it not the problem.

    You want a video of a working model, right, then what? As if seeing would be believing for someone that doesn't take the time to read. As I have said before, if I do make a video, all I will tell you to do is read the thread if you want to learn how to replicate one for yourself. I view a video as nothing more than entertainment, and I am not in the entertainment industry, no I am just someone that wants to be free, and pass that freedom on to my children.

    Right now much testing remains, but the way I set up the thread each and everyone of us should be running test based on the math & science I posted on their own.

    Question, have you built a Gas Processor?
    Did you understand that the circuit was being tested for functionality?
    Have you built a VIC transformer in anticipation of the circuit that controls it?
    What kind of testing have you been running to shed some light on things like what is the purpose of the electron extraction circuit?
    Have made any conclusions on which wavelengths you are going to try and/or use? and also why you picked them for use?
    Have you learn from this thread what the explosive mixture is according to the patents of Stanley Meyer?
    All of these questions and testings are for you to solve and try. And there are many more questions that you have to answer as this is a do it yourself thread, for if you want to be free of energy enslavement you are going to have to do the work for yourself and pass on, if you so choose, what you have learned to your fellow man. Do you think I am going to build a gas processor for you? or have a ready to go VIC transformer complete with matching circuitry for you? I am sorry but that is just not going to happen as this is to be a grassroots effort in breaking the addiction to coal and oil. Not all cars made will be able to be converted and as such each and everyone of us has to find a car/gen set that will accept the switch over. Much work remains but at least we have this thread to read and a lot of good people working towards the goal of energy independence utilizing Stanley Meyer's technology.

    I hope you see my point in my line of questioning,

    h2opower.

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  • Toborg
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    Working Model, Anyone

    Howdy all,
    I've read allot but not all as there is just to much on this tread. I for what all has been said have yet to see a finished product nor has there been given a positive conclusion to any or all of what has been said here. Super Ion's and protons blah blah blah (SORRY) Please let us all see a product functioning at 43,863 joules/mol of hydrogen/oxygen production. Anyone, yes, please,,,,,,,,,, no, OK Just asking. Be well all and please just go do it. I am making and testing and getting better and better results each time with some set backs each time as well . Diff is that I'm doing and not talking or getting off track with all this wide talk an so many gismos. Very expensive. Hybrid transformers GOD ITS ENOUGH TO DRIVE ONE CRAZZZZYYYYY. Please forgive the shouting. I just would like to see a working model.

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  • h20power
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    Thanks you two for all you have done for humanity in aiding me to complete the much needed circuit. I couldn't have done this with out you two .
    We now have 21 months before the collapse of the dollar, so I will get to testing ASAP. Hopefully it will be up and running well before the end of that time frame , only time will tell.

    Thanks for everything, energy independence will be a dream come true for me that I have been dreaming of for well over 25 years now.


    h2opower.

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  • Tecstatic
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    You are welcome.

    Don't say you could not solve it, with time, will, persistence and being a quick learner I think you could do it.

    But if H20 is right, time is a limited resource.

    I let it up to you and H20 what to do with the debugging stuff, but it should be preserved in some way or another as a debugging guide to the SM circuit for others trying to make this work.

    Don't forget to check the value of every single component, so the diagram exactly matches your running circuit.

    Then you can consider a new PCB if the modifications are too much on the existing PCB.

    By the way I forgot to mention you can throw away U6 (4066) and one 4001 IC as you don't need U7D and U8A anymore and have spares in U15. The simpler the better.

    When an extra board are ready, H20 can proceed, hopefully to succeed.

    Eric

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  • bussi04
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    Originally posted by Tecstatic View Post
    Hi Bussi,

    Now we finally nailed it

    And what did we learn (at least)

    1. Dimensioned components near the 4046 is a must
    2. We can throw three 4017 away and replace with one 4024
    3. We can throw U3 (555) and its helper components away.
    4. We can add a jumper so we can connect RV7 to midpoint of R12-R13 to force the frequency for testing of phase on a real VIC.
    5. C10 must be scaled so it fits to another resonant frequency, e.g ~15nF@40kHz
    6. A wrong component value can completely change the circuit behavior
    7, Simultaneously resonance in all windings is to prefer.
    8. Modifying the tank resonance seeing a new frequency with zero phase difference at U4 pin3-14 is a good success indicator for the 4046 PLL operation.
    9. Testing the PCB in its final application would not have left a single hair on the testers head.

    and last but not least

    10. 8. good corporation and persistence lead to success

    Thank you bussi for being patient with me

    Eric

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  • Tecstatic
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    Hi Bussi,

    Now we finally nailed it

    And what did we learn (at least)

    1. Dimensioned components near the 4046 is a must
    2. We can throw three 4017 away and replace with one 4024
    3. We can throw U3 (555) and its helper components away.
    4. We can add a jumper so we can connect RV7 to midpoint of R12-R13 to force the frequency for testing of phase on a real VIC.
    5. C10 must be scaled so it fits to another resonant frequency, e.g ~15nF@40kHz
    6. A wrong component value can completely change the circuit behavior
    7, Simultaneously resonance in all windings is to prefer.
    8. Modifying the tank resonance seeing a new frequency with zero phase difference at U4 pin3-14 is a good success indicator for the 4046 PLL operation.
    9. Testing the PCB in its final application would not have left a single hair on the testers head.

    and last but not least

    10. 8. good corporation and persistence lead to success

    Thank you bussi for being patient with me

    Eric

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