Stanley Meyer Explained

[mmm_66]

That patent is not from Stanley Meyer. It is from a company called Zenion Industries.

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I was sent this patent in a mail and just always assumed it was from Stan, I then read it and then put it away in my files. I read so much that sometimes everything kinda runs into one topic at times.
I was toying with the idea of Electrolysis using maganese dioxide with a weak mixture of sufuric acid along with some copper plates to see if it is possible to coat it using typical battery charger current? It's just a thought. I will post my findings later on.

mmm_66

[Aaron]

nitrogen and oxygen

All I ask for everyone to do is look at how the theory of Nitrogen being transformed into nitrous oxide by the Gas Processor is in direct confrontation with the conservation of mass and chemical science.

Nitrogen in the presence of oxygen will not turn into this atomic nitrogen they speak of,

n2o won't be created in a gas processor that strips the electrons.

Also, atomic nitrogen will be created in the presence of oxygen because
the oxygen is also losing electrons at the same time so the oxygen won't
be able to bind to the nitrogen.

[h20power]

Hi all,
I just wanted to say HI. I discovered Stans work last week and just spent the last 48 hours reading this thread (the last 10 pages I'm sorry I couldn't follow - the freedom circuit debugging...)

I think I just got the steepest learning curve brain dump in history!

Anyway, I just wanted to say that from the perspective of a newbie with electronics and physics knowledge, your explanations are clear and they make sense.

Please don't let the "noise" defocus you all.

I've spent the past 2 years studying what you are calling the collapse. I keep my login online so you can track me down if you want. Please don't let this issue take away your focus. It goes much deeper than you think.

I noticed you mentioned after you have this technology sorted you plan on investigating the trade towers? JMHO but is there anything positive to gain from that? If I may be so bold as to suggest something more beneficial to mankind? I am thinking of the work of a man called Martin Armstrong (no, I'm not him). I think you would find it fascinating.

Anyway, I would love to join this war and as soon as I have some other prior commitments dealt with then I certainly will. In the meantime, I wish you all the best and I'll be following your progress.

Good luck and God speed.

Thanks Farside,

I am glade that you found this thread and can see what has been done here. I will try to keep my head up with all of the negativity I get from just about all turns even from people you would expect too know better like Aaron. That last bit about me not wanting him to post on this thread was totally uncalled for. All I ask for everyone to do is look at how the theory of Nitrogen being transformed into nitrous oxide by the Gas Processor is in direct confrontation with the conservation of mass and chemical science. Even the information they game me to read says that is true. Nitrogen in the presence of oxygen will not turn into this atomic nitrogen they speak of, and it says this right in the information they gave me to read. Furthermore the device know as the Gas Gun did not have any nitrogen flowing through the Gas Processor as it was directly connected to the gas processor and the source of water going into the stacked resonant cavities. And we all know that the Gas Gun was to demonstrate the atomic power of the water being tapped into by this technology. Pity none of the tapes of the Gas Gun in operation have found there way into You Tube so everyone could see the Gas Gun doing it's thing. But the point is the Gas Gun produced thermal explosive energy and did so without Nitrogen gas in the system, other than minute amounts dissolved in the water that got released when the water was broken down by the stacked resonant cavities into hydrogen and oxygen.

But if you have any question concerning the technology please feel free to ask, and I will do my best to answer them. And if I can't I am sure others will be able to help answer your questions if you have some. The technology is not all that hard but things have to be done the right way and the controlling circuit is a big part of how that is to be done. Plus I will look up Martin Armstrong and see what it is you want me to see with his work.


h2opower.

[h20power]

That patent is not from Stanley Meyer. It is from a company called Zenion Industries.

Hi Itzon,
Yes you are correct that is not Stanley Meyer's patent it is a patent that Stanley Meyer refers too. Now like Edward Grey the most important parts of the patent weren't really talked about very much, IE the electron extraction circuit and Gas Processor. Not too many people know that Stanley Meyer also spoke about using the Gas Processor to replace the catalytic converter, if someone has that patent please post it so everyone can read it, I seem to have lost it. But back to what I was getting at the important parts of the patent where barley talked about. Once I broke away from the hho bandwagon and started to study the Gas Processor understanding science the way I do I knew I have found out how it all works, and that is by Electric Fields and Moving media" YouTube - Lec 9 | MIT 6.013 Electromagnetics and Applications, Fall 20 coupled with the science of the "Aurora Borealis." That is the core of how to make use of water as a source of fuel. The unique properties of water do the rest, mainly the self ionization of water and it's dielectric properties, but there is more to it that that as the other properties of water are also used.

Now in this video the "Gas Processor" doesn't have air flowing through it or a electron extraction circuit, but an Gas Processor it is. YouTube - Lec 10 | MIT 6.013 Electromagnetics and Applications, Fall 2

I hope that helped some,

h2opower.

[1NRG24Seven]

Maganese Dioxide is the rust looking material that is inside a typical D cell battery.

YouTube - Get Zinc, Carbon Electrodes and MnO2 from a Lantern Battery

Seems to me this metal could be electroplated to the copper grid. Maybe that is what Stan did.

Good Day!!!...24

[itzon]

Originally Posted by mmm_66 View Post
Hi,
I have a question which may or may not be relevant to this thread. In patent number 5,010,869 Stan is talking about a copper grid coated with manganese dioxide. I am having trouble locating this material with the coating. Any leads as to the fabrication of this grid or how it is done ? Thanks in advance for any info or leads

MMM_66 Hi mmm_66,

No, I also didn't find it, so I went with a 304 SS fine screen mesh in it's place. Digit's has gotten his working, but I don't know of the material he used for the EEC screen mesh grid. Chasson321 thanks for you help as I couldn't answer that one.


h2opower.

That patent is not from Stanley Meyer. It is from a company called Zenion Industries.

[Farside]

Hi all,
I just wanted to say HI. I discovered Stans work last week and just spent the last 48 hours reading this thread (the last 10 pages I'm sorry I coudn't follow - the freedom cuircuit debugging...)

I think I just got the steepest learning curve brain dump in history!

Anyway, I just wanted to say that from the perspective of a newbie with electronics and physics knowledge, your explainations are clear and they make sense.

Please don't let the "noise" defocus you all.

I've spent the past 2 years studying what you are calling the collapse. I keep my login online so you can track me down if you want. Please don't let this issue take away your focus. It goes much deeper than you think.

I noticed you mentioned after you have this technology sorted you plan on investigating the trade towers? JMHO but is there anything positive to gain from that? If I may be so bold as to suggest something more beneficial to mankind? I am thinking of the work of a man called Martin Armstrong (no, I'm not him). I think you would find it fascinating.

Anyway, I would love to join this war and as soon as I have some other prior commitments dealt with then I certainly will. In the meantime, I wish you all the best and I'll be following your progress.

Good luck and God speed.

[h20power]

Hi,
I have a question which may or may not be relevant to this thread. In patent number 5,010,869 Stan is talking about a copper grid coated with manganese dioxide. I am having trouble locating this material with the coating. Any leads as to the fabrication of this grid or how it is done ? Thanks in advance for any info or leads

MMM_66

Hi mmm_66,

No, I also didn't find it, so I went with a 304 SS fine screen mesh in it's place. Digit's has gotten his working, but I don't know of the material he used for the EEC screen mesh grid. Chasson321 thanks for you help as I couldn't answer that one.


h2opower.

[chasson321]

Maganese Dioxide

Hi,
I have a question which may or may not be relivent to this thread. In patent number 5,010,869 Stan is talking about a copper grid coated with maganese dioxide. I am having trouble locating this material with the coating. Any leads as to the fabrication of this grid or how it is done ? Thanks in advance for any info or leads

MMM_66

Maganese Dioxide is the rust looking material that is inside a typical D cell battery.

YouTube - Get Zinc, Carbon Electrodes and MnO2 from a Lantern Battery

[mmm_66]

Maganese Coated Copper Grid

Hi,
I have a question which may or may not be relivent to this thread. In patent number 5,010,869 Stan is talking about a copper grid coated with maganese dioxide. I am having trouble locating this material with the coating. Any leads as to the fabrication of this grid or how it is done ? Thanks in advance for any info or leads

MMM_66

[h20power]

Hello Everyone,

Well, I don't see any questions regarding Stanley Meyer's water fuel injection system patent or any other work of Stanley Meyer's related to making use of water as a source of fuel, so that must mean that everyone that has read my thread is busy working on replicating Stans work . I look forward to seeing everyones designs come to life as per the designers interpretation of how they think it will work best on what ever the designer has in mind to what the device will be connected too. Going from a gasoline ICE to an hydrogen on demand HICE or taking a step back and hooking a WFC set up to a water fuel cell. Since I have no more questions then I believe I have accomplished my mission in bringing Stanley Meyer technology back to life.

Have fun everyone in becoming energy independent, and don't forget to pass on what you have learned to your fellow man.



h2opower.

[h20power]

Hi Everyone,

Now Everwiser posted this site as to teach everyone more about ionization: HowStuffWorks "Ionization" but note a thunder storm actually has three capacitive zones not just one from the bottom of the cloud to the earth. It also has one from the top of the cloud to the bottom of the cloud and another from the top of the cloud to the earths stratosphere and strikes occur in all of these voltage zones. The ones that take place within the cloud make the thunder that shakes the ground for it is igniting the hydrogen/oxygen mixture the clouds voltage zones are producing. Strikes from the top of the cloud to the stratosphere have a very pink color pretty close to that of hydrogen ionization spectrum does for all of the hydrogen being produced by the cloud floats upwardly. So the next time your in a thunder storm look for these things and note the different sounds of the lightning strikes and what happens after the strikes. For the strikes that take place inside of the cloud produce a earth shaking sound and right after dump a large amount of water on the ground as the hydrogen/oxygen mixture is turned into water and gravity does the rest. Anyway I just thought this would help to better understand some of the processes involved in Stanley Meyer's work.


h2opower.

[h20power]

Hi everyone,

Here are some questions I will answer for everyone.

"How is Stanley Meyer's two designs that he employed an oxygen rich system?"

Answer: The WFC produces hydrogen and oxygen on demand and the water fuel injector also do this. Then the outside air is sucked into the intake system of the car adding even more oxygen to the system. The oxygen that the WFC and WFI's create is in a stoichiometric mixture with the hydrogen, so any outside air being brought into the system containing oxygen, the oxygen that it does bring in is more than is needed as the resulting mixture from the two sources are a perfect match for burning all of both atoms completely.

"What two components Meyer used can strip electrons from the atoms?"

Answer: The water fuel injectors and the gas processor.

"Why does Stanley Meyer specifically say that you have to strip four or more electrons from the oxygen atoms?"

Answer: When looking at the math of the process, one can see that at the fourth energy level the mixture over takes gasolines energy content.
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol and that is more than gasolines 5080 kJ/mol. And note these numbers assume no hydrogen was created by the water fuel injectors only a charge placed on them so they can't reform into larger water droplets and/or stick to other things while traveling towards the combustion chamber if it has the same charge. Also the hydrogen has not been ionized in this equation as-well. This is a worst case equation or one could view it as cold start situation.

"What advantage did Meyer get when he went from a gaseous injection system to a direct water injection system?

Answer:
1. The loss of 10 VIC transformers and controlling circuitry that went along with them.
2. He had no more need for the quenching circuitry, pressure regulators, and transport issues of the hydrogen/oxygen mixture created by the water fuel capacitor.
3. It cut down the size of the retrofit kit considerable.
4. It cut cost by not needing all of these missing items.
5. It cut weight off of the conversion kit and lost weight saves fuel.
6. Easier to diagnose a problem if one occurred.
7. Easier and faster installation times.
8. I am sure there are more that everyone can think of that I didn't mention here.

If you have questions you would like answers too I and others can try to answer them for you, all you have to do is ask .


h2opower.

[h20power]

Aaron, sorry but that was my mistake at first when the theory was proposed to me as I didn't at first know the chemical make up of nitrous oxide. Like I said it was new to me and I had to look into it to fully understand what was being proposed. But no matter if I made that mistake the problem still would exist that the oxygen used to create the N2O or NO2 comes from your one balloon source of air. But the only way to know for sure is to set up a Gas Processor and fire it up with a gas spectrum analyzer and see what gases are produced by the Gas Processor with an air flow rate of 32ft/sec minimum. To do that you have to have the correct circuitry one with an electron extraction circuit, and the correct pulsing of the LEDs to boot.

But my main point in all of this is if you make the N2O from the same supply air that feeds into the intake system you will get no net gain in oxygen concentration. But if you understand that Meyer's system already has an excess of oxygen already, what would be the point of adding in any more oxygen? My points are valid and have to be considered with his theory in mind excepting that those problems I found with the theory can't be over-looked and just swept aside as if they didn't matter. No they have to be addressed in order to prove the theory to be a valid one.

Now in my theory of Meyer's work the two processes Meyer employed one had an advantage over the other in that the wfc produced untreated oxygen to be injected into the combustion chamber and the water fuel injectors could treat the incoming oxygen that was being produced on demand by the water fuel injectors. Then there is the problem of what is explosive and what is non explosive and what is an oxidizer. Nitrogen is non explosive, Nitrous oxide is non explosive, Nitrogen dioxide is non explosive, and Nitrogen monoxide is non explosive. There are only two reactants in the system that are explosive when mixed together and they are hydrogen and oxygen.

Aaron you also didn't understand that the paragraph I wrote in saying if you converted all the available oxygen to nitrous oxide you would have no oxygen left for the gasoline to burn in to produce the 565 degree F heat to break down the nitrous oxide.

h2opower.

[Aaron]

atomic nitrogen + atomic hydrogen

If I give you a balloon full of air and told you to make all of the nitrogen found in it into NO2 how much oxygen would you have left over? Given that Nitrogen makes up 78% of our air and oxygen only 21%? Composition of Our Atmosphere - Geography For Kids - By KidsGeo.com The answer is none as all the oxygen would be used up to create nitrous oxide and since it is a two to one ratio then only 42% of the nitrogen would be used to create nitrous oxide. That leaves 36% of the air as pure nitrogen. Since this balloon is all you get to play with in running your ICE, then what is left to combust with the hydrogen? Answer, is nothing. You would not get the engine running at all as Nitrous oxide is non combustible.

H2OPOWER,


HEAT instantly separates oxygen from nitrogen in N2O (nitrous oxide) and
just simple engine heat makes all that extra oxygen available for combustion,
but...



You mention NO2, that isn't nitrous oxide, that is nitrogen dioxide.

If you have a gasoline engine, why does N2O (which is nitrous oxide)
make the fuel burn better? It lowers the temp making a denser mixture
meaning you pack more fuel and air in there, but also the N2O acts as a
oxygen delivery system for more oxygen available to burn the fuel more
thoroughly.

The premise of your argument that oxygen is bound to nitrogen makes
it unavailable for aiding in combustion is actually not true N2O breaks
down under high temperature meaning it instantly separates freeing
up all the oxygen. This truly is a fact about N2O and has been known
for ages as it applies to Internal Combustion Engines.

But to the point of water fuel engine, nobody is proposing that N2O
(nitrous oxide) is what makes it work. It is the fact that in the air
processor, when electrons are stripped from nitrogen and oxygen both,
they are BOTH unstable and are difficult to combine into N2O before
any combustion takes place anyway.

The atomic nitrogen mixed with atomic hydrogen, which is freed up
from HH from the plasma becomes "very reactive." I have searched and
found the same that active nitrogen and hydrogen produces "anomalous"
reactions.

"active nitrogen" hydrogen - Google Search

Spend a few hours and pour through the literature of active nitrogen
and reactions with water vapor, water, moisture, hydrogen, atomic
hydrogen, etc...

There is a lot about active nitrogen and hydrogen and hydrocarbons and
other chemistry but don't throw the baby out with the bath water, they're
all pointing to amazing properties of active nitrogen and apparently in
much of the science, it is an unknown why nitrogen has these properties.

Also, the nitrogen acts as a EEC in the combustion chamber as part
of the process.

H2OPower, it would be a shame for you to have put so much time,
money, and effort into this project to simply be so easily dismissive of
what Tutanka has shared and again, nobody is saying nitrous oxide is
what makes it work, just that some nitrous 'could' be produced in the
combustion chamber - but that is NOT the key. Active nitrogen +
atomic hydrogen is.

Whether you agree with him or not or think he was argumentative towards
you in this thread, the published literature over a hundred years points
exactly to verifying that the "Thermal Explosive Energy" results from a
peculiar reaction with ACTIVE NITROGEN and ATOMIC HYDROGEN.

Again, the nitrogen is very positively charged in the air processor just
as oxygen is, so therefore, how much nitrous would be created?

Arguing against it by arguing against nitrous oxide isn't even arguing
against what Tutanka shared.

I studied active nitrogen a bit in the past because of a completely
different application in electromagnetics..sealed nitrogen in a tube with
rotors, etc... Anyway, coming full circle, to active nitrogen and I do
see absolutely in the literature amazing characteristics to active
nitrogen and atomic hydrogen. I'm still sorting it out in my head but
is is absolutely undeniable.

Check this page:
Lord Rayleigh: Active Nitrogen

It has been known for years that the active nitrogen can emit more
energy that it received and may account for part of the "anomalous"
reactions with hydrogen.

You already have just about all the parts needed for a full replications.
You have the air processor, you posted pics I saw them, you can put
the led's in there and the electrons stripping circuit is no more complicated
than a positive ionizing hair dryer schematic from the sharper image patent.

Anyway, you're light years ahead of me in terms of having nicely machined
parts, you seem to have the circuitry for efficient HHO production even
though you don't need tons of hho, just a bit, etc... you're in the position
to probably more quickly replicate a 100% water fuel engine than anyone
else on the forum maybe. I know a lot of others probably think so.

We are both aware of the fact that something doesn't make sense about
having the fuel be 100% hho because nobody is creating enough hho
in any cell to fully run an engine. NOT EVEN MEYER regardless of what
he states. All video evidence shows HHO production that is NOT impressive
in the least bit. He may be doing it very efficiently but he certainly is not
making enough to run an entire dune buggy engine on it.

I'm not arguing with you here so please don't take it like that. Simply,
you've done so much... Forget about nitrous oxide, its irrelevant.
Active nitrogen + atomic hydrogen. Do the research and you'll come to
the same conclusion. If you have the Air Processor built right and are
positively charging the air and stripping electrons from oxygen, then
you absolutely MUST BE producing active nitrogen at the same time.

I don't know many people that have put this much time and effort into
these projects as you have and I'm only trying to help. If you don't want
me to post in this thread either, I'll step out, that's fine but please don't
get stuck on nitrous oxide or even nitrogen dioxide.

Active Nitrogen + Atomic Hydrogen