Water Sparkplug

[xVx]

240Vac?

Can anyone shed any light on possible problems with running an inverter of 240Vac?

Thanks

[xpskid]

Direction

Hi NXUS,

Gotoluc originally posted his finding on this interesting effect that is simple to reproduce. The ultimate goal and hope for this technology is to run an engine on 100% water.

Through collaborative effort, there have been quite a few developments to increase the strength of effect as well as efficiency. Several very talented experimenters here have already put this ignition system into some vehicles and some gas generators.

The ignition system has proven to increase engine speed for the same amount of fuel giving evidence that this plasma absolutely is releasing more potential.

This experimentation is an ongoing process and little by little the effect will become stronger and easier to replicate as well as being understood better. There will be gradual steps in the direction of 100% water fuel power and we're fortunate to have so much open sharing of the progress that everyone is making.

Hi Folks,

Aaron may not be to originator of the effect but he definitely kick the ball down the hill and got Luc's circuit rolling. Several have jumped onboard and continued the advancements. Greg's VexUs circuit currently is the easiest to apply to a vehicle and is still being tweaked. Having said that, it's robust enough to experiment with. Now we need to invent some sort of combustion test bed. Something where we can test the power of mixtures, the differences between gaps and frequencies, differences with a booster kick. I've lined up a high speed video camera to look at the spark, but to really make an impact we need to zero in on the right spark, frequency, and fuel source. I'm open to ideas on simply, quantitative or even qualitative combution tests.

Shoot me your ideas,

Regards,

Timm

[gmeast]

5 uf

oops posted twice

[gmeast]

5 uf

Just to make sure, if I decide to play with other uF caps. If I am using four 120uF caps in my voltage quad, that = about 30uF total available output uF to the discharge cap correct? So, I should still be safe if I wanted to try a 5uF discharge cap? Also dependant on the ohms level of the resistor, right?

Mike

Hi Mike,

I'm chasing your posts. 5uf on the CDI cap and 200 ohm on the flow restrictor puts you right at a 6000 RPM for a 4-cylinder. Now this is based on a full 5 time constants for a full charge. But just 2 time constants puts you above 85% + charge. So you're fine for your 8 - cylinder at 5 and 200.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

frequency - 200 ohms

That's cool stuff NXUS,

So, IF I increased the resistence to 100 ohms instead of 50 ohms, that should cut my capability in half...........theoretically able to fire only 4,000 times per second instead of 8,000.............correct? If I were to use 100 ohms instead of 50 ohms, would that translate into a lower operating temperature for the circuit? Not that it overheats now (you can look back a page or two and see my temperatures), but less heat is always better in my book. With that theory, my circuit should still be able to function fine with 200 ohms of resistence, (2,000 cycles per second, since I would definitely stay well below 1,000 cycles during actual circuit's top required performance). That all depends on what 200 ohms of resistence would do to my circuit, if anything. Please tell me if I am on track here or not. Thanks in advance.........................................Mi ke

Hi Mike,

The the size of your CDI (dump) Cap?

Greg

[NXUS]

Lookin good, seems like you have this well thought out.

This is the stage where we don't want to mimic the hadron engineers and hear...aww shi....BANG!

[jstadwater]

Just to make sure, if I decide to play with other uF caps. If I am using four 120uF caps in my voltage quad, that = about 30uF total available output uF to the discharge cap correct? So, I should still be safe if I wanted to try a 5uF discharge cap? Also dependant on the ohms level of the resistor, right?

Mike

[jstadwater]

@ NXUS

I am presently using four 120uF 450V electrolytic caps and four 1N5408 1000V 3A diodes. I started out with a doubler and have, as of today, moved up to quad. Each time I have increased the voltage, I have a greatly increased effect at the plugs, today was no exception. I made my quad from a diagram in one of Jetijs's posts, here's the link http://www.energeticforum.com/29722-post1026.html

I have it hooked up as in diagram A, is B a better way?

[NXUS]

Mike , if you are using a voltage multiplier just be aware that they are good for voltage generation but not so good if you need any amount of current. Do you notice if the arc is getting leaner as you up the voltage? You may be current starving the charging circuit, or is all working ok? Would like to take a peek at your multiplyer.

Imfamouse last words at the hadron collider..."Hey it works"..."BANG"

[jstadwater]

Plug wear.....................

@ NXUS

The lower capacitence and higher voltage = less plug wear. I am on the same set of test plugs here for about two weeks, running the circuit some amount everyday. If you have watched my vids, you have seen me spin this V-8 distributor as high as 5,800 rpm. Multiple tests at 4,300 rpm for 30 minutes+. The only thing I see at the tips is a little discoloration from time to time, probably from me spraying tap water on them over and over. I can't help it, I like to watch the water blow up! The discoloration comes right off with a few strokes of a fine wire brush. I see no visible damage on my plug ends at this juncture. Hope that helps..................................Mike

[NXUS]

Has anyone actually determined the ideal energy requirement for the plasma arc and what discharge profile works best, or are these part of the unknowns being determined at this time?

My brain is like a FIFO shift register and its full !!

[jstadwater]

OK I just WENT for it!!

I set my 100/100 resistor to full range at 100 ohms, AND jacked my tripler circuit to a quadrupler!!! I don't know how many VDC I am charging the caps because my meter only measures to 600 volts! AND.......the inverter is STILL HAPPY at 4,300 rpm. This plasma is getting LOUD in here! I think I want to try and "clamp" out the rest of the amperage in this circuit, like Aaron did. Who was it on here that said they did it with a MOT primary with no core? The thing I need to know is exactly where to insert it in the circuit. I'm just about ready to put this circuit into the Suburban. As playtime continues......................................... Mike

[NXUS]

Thanks Greg for the information, helps a lot, especially being new and trying to absorb all this. No one has touched on the plug wear issue, do I assume this isnt an issue then?

TTFN

[NXUS]

Hi jstadwater, you hit the nail on the head, you are absolutely correct in your extrapolations

Too really see, we need to close our eyes and open our minds!

[gmeast]

pictures

@ Greg,

I attached a couple pics of where I have the 1.5KE150CA diodes placed. I still have not hooked up the 1.5KE15A between the battery and the inverter yet. Seems fine on the bench without it, but when I install it in the vehicle I will put in the added protection, just in case I somehow get a voltage spike from the vehicle's charging system.

@ Everyone

I need a little help with trying to figure out this resistence thing. I am using three MW caps hooked up parallel for discharge, total capacitence is 2.5uF. I am charging them via a voltage tripler circuit, after the isolation transformer, total charge is about 450VDC. I do get a better plasma with the 100 watt 100 ohm resistor than when I was using the 100 watt light bulb. This better plasma is NOT dependent on where I have the slider set on the resistor. Until....I adjusted the slider to within a 1/2 inch of the feed end, very low resistence right? the plasma was bigger but my isolation transformer was getting "pinged". I was turning the distributor by hand, trying different slider settings. It runs powered by the inverter just fine at 4,300 rpm with the slider at halfway (50 ohms). As little as I know about this subject, the formulas for figuring these (p X e= 6.0000005 squared to the 10th power of y after you divide r by the 6th pie root of i multiplied by E=MC squared!) factors escapes me completely. It's all Greek to me! If I turn the distributor at 4,300 rpm (factory style hookup on tach gauge), that means I am at 71.67 turns per second. 8 plugs are firing per turn, so, I am firing 573.36 times per second? Which is to say, the capacitor must be discharging once every 0.0017 seconds? WOW, It's mind boggling that it can even function normally at such a rate!

NOW, I can use the full range of the 100/100 resistor and still have no misfires on the plugs at 4,300 rpm. (I have spun it at 5,800 rpm too) If the resistor slows down the charge rate for the caps, is it the frequency of the 450 volts that allows the stability of the circuit at these rates or is it something else? Is 50 ohms of resistence a comfortable rate or does it need to be more? Sorry for all the questions, but hopefully someone can throw a few thoughts at me. Later...........................................Mi ke

Thanks pal,

Greg