Water Sparkplug

[Jetijs]

All,

I've completed a test using 25 watt, 60 watt, and 100 watt bulb as resistor to see the effect on plasma booster. The higher the bulb's power the louder the effect and the bigger plasma result. Here is the video link:

YouTube - Plasma Bulb Comparation Effect on Motorcycle

I hope this make a clear information about requirement of a restriction.

Revizal.

Of course the higher wattage bulbs will give more effect, but this is not because they are letting more current to the smaller cap, the smaller CDI cap is fully charged even with 20watt bulb, but if you use bigger bulbs, you decrease the resistance and kinda let the storage cap partially act like a CDI cap along with the original CDI cap. And as you increase the bulb wattage, the storage caps get more and more discharged along with the CDI cap on each spark.
Thanks for the video
good luck

[Jetijs]

gotoluc, are you still here?
I have a question. Remember those tests you made of two different voltages on the primary cap, where the energy in joles was the same in both tests but the test with higher voltage and lower capacity showed a bigger effect? What circuit were you using? The basic one where there is only one primary cap that is dumped into ignition coil and the cap positiveterminal is connected to the HV output via a diode string? Or was ir a circuit with a separate booster side? Because I have a suspicion that there is a big difference in both circuits. Because I can't see almost any improvement in the plasma if I double the voltage on the booster side keeping the same capacity. The plasma seems the same no matter if you use 300v or 1000v on the booster side. If you used the basic circuit for your testsm then this should be investigated because so far it seems that the booster circuit needs more capacity (thus more amps and faster electrode wear) to get stronger effect, but the original circuit seems all about the voltage and the higher the voltage.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[revizal]

Bulb effect comparation

All,

I've completed a test using 25 watt, 60 watt, and 100 watt bulb as resistor to see the effect on plasma booster. The higher the bulb's power the louder the effect and the bigger plasma result. Here is the video link:

YouTube - Plasma Bulb Comparation Effect on Motorcycle

I hope this make a clear information about requirement of a restriction.

Revizal.

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
I made some plug wear tests. I tried to limit the current by using a smaller wattage light bulb. I replaced the 75w bulb with a 40w bulb, but it burned out. Then I tried to replace the 75w (50 Ohm) bulb with a 1k power resistor. But this also did not help, the power consumption stayed the same. Then I made the CDI cap size smaller - from 10uF to 4uF. This decreased the power consumption from 170w to 100w. Then I decreased the voltage doubler caps from 200uF to 100uF, this had no effect on the current consumption. So it seems that the only way to decrease the power consumption of the circuit is decreasing the CDI cap value. Now I am using just 2uF CDI cap and this setup consumes just 30w from the wall plug, but the effect appeared to be just as intense, maybe little less. With the 170w power consumption, the spark plug got over 100 degree hot and after just 30 minutes of firing at 50Hz, there already was signs of wear. Now I will try the same test with just 30w power consumption. Then I will try a voltage tripler and quadrupler and decrease the CDI cap value even more.

[revizal]

Hi All,

I have also made a test (crazy test) according to my last issue (adding NaOH solution to the plasma booster engine). I used 200 ml water and one tea spoon NaOH as the solution. I knew that NaOH is very corrosive, but I need to know the effect on a GEET-Plasma Booster Engine. May be, this is the only way to know what will happen if we add NaOH solution to the spark?
So, I run the genset on GEET + Plasma Booster with gasoline supplied from a bubbler and suck to the reactor thru air mixed valve for the first test. NaOH solution stored from the carburetor (plastic fuel tank) in closed valve position. Supply valve NaOH opened gradually to the reactor and engine while checking the effect.

I got good respond till valve 25% open, but when valve position reach near 50% open (high rate NaOH solution flow into the engine), the engine RPM goes down. I tried to keep around 25-30% open (moderate NaOH flow rate) for keep table running. I got the closest diode string broken off due to high temperature that never before when I run the engine in GEET + Plasma without NaOH solution. I thought this give information that NaOH make a Hot Spark and high RPM with very low resistant between the spark gap make just like short circuit cause the melting soldering.

After that I drain the NaOH solution from all the lines and reservoir and run the engine on 100% gasoline to flash remaining NaOH from the engine.

Revizal.

[Jetijs]

Hi all. I have made numerous tests over the weekend and used up about 20 liters of gasoline in these tests. So far my genset is not working properly and I can't get a stable data, but some things I observed are obvious and interesting. I used a vexus circuit to boost the spark. I used 100uF caps for the voltage doubler (about 600v) a 75w light bulb as a resistor between caps and 10uF pulse caps as the CDI cap. According to my wall plug meter (kinda like kill-a-watt), it consumed 170w of power. It is strange, shouldn't the light bulb limit the power going in the circuit? Anyway, that is TOO MUCH power (too big capacity) for the plug, because here's what happens:

I had some problems with the genset, the carburetor or something else was not working fine and suddenly it started to consume more fuel no matter if I used stock ignition and timings or custom ignition. Maybe this was due to a bad fuel. Bust as soon as I connected the water spark at this high power, the fuel consumption went down more and more after each test. After 5-6 tests and about 3 liters or consumed fuel, the generator consumed about 41% less gasoline than in the first test. Then I removed the vexus circuit to see how it would now work on an ordinary spark. It worked much better and also about 30% better that in the first test. So seems that the water spark kinda cleaned the engine somehow and made the engine work better. Then I attached the selfmade water injector and the engine started to run a bit more efficient than with water spark alone and the power consumption went down from 170w to 120w only.
Will test more

[Ansis Freimanis]

to Ash

How about radio and other electronic in Your vehicle? Is there noise in Your radio stations? How about music player?
Thanks.

[ashtweth]

Hi Greg, lapperl and all

So far this circuit has held up well after 3 days, we just need one fill up to see MPG benefits, it drew slightly less with 50uf. (6-8amps DC peak 13.8 volts). We have 20 amps from the booster already so we didn't want to go over 30 amps on the alternator as it might take away the benefits.

It makes sense to us to start with the spark plug, Kupra gets 40% alone with the energy from the car ignition system! Work that out!

[lapperl]

Hi Ash,

Is Rev's circuit the one with the light bulb feeding the bridge rectifier?

Greg

Greg,
You are correct. Here is a copy from the panacea pdf document.

LapperL

[gmeast]

Rev's circuit

Thanks Warren and Aaron.Adding them to your docs. Also guys we are on day 3 of Rev's plug circuit running with the booster, allot of power and no hic ups, average of two 30 minute trips a day. Its funny to see us take off in second gear and then straight to 4th

Hi Ash,

Is Rev's circuit the one with the light bulb feeding the bridge rectifier?

Greg

[ashtweth]

Here is the post with the patents zip link:

http://www.energeticforum.com/27633-post749.html

"Also make note of how the windings on the ignition coil is less. " That is also in the Suckewer patent(s). Many of these plasma ignition patents have modified ignition coils, something I'm not sure if anyone has delved into.

ASH - Maybe try
wear
gap
growth
damage

Thanks Warren and Aaron.Adding them to your docs. Also guys we are on day 3 of Rev's plug circuit running with the booster, allot of power and no hic ups, average of two 30 minute trips a day. Its funny to see us take off in second gear and then straight to 4th

[Chris31]

Chris31, I don't think that a more red spark is hotter than a blue/white one. On the contrary...
In order to burn a piece of paper, the spark must have a long duration. With its one or two hundreds of microseconds duration, even a plasma spark can't do much. I managed to burn a piece of plastic using sparks, but it was a multispark, running continuous setup. The visual appearence was like a long, continuous plasma spark.

Kinetix, I think you are right. The high energy discharge gives out longer duration sparks. Im sticking with high energy then start cutting down or upgrading as necessary. The ultimate goal here is to run engine with water.

I remember a mention of - to run the firestorm plug, the ignition circuit should provide 1J of energy atleast.

I dont know if these sparks is able to improve MPGs further out of a modern already efficient engine.

[Aaron]

coil with fewer winds

Hi Greg,

Nice synchronicity on the coil mention. Even in a few others patents relating to some of these concepts, the coil has fewer windings. In the Suckewer patents, I think they even give specifics.

[Aaron]

patent references

Here is the post with the patents zip link:

http://www.energeticforum.com/27633-post749.html

"Also make note of how the windings on the ignition coil is less. " That is also in the Suckewer patent(s). Many of these plasma ignition patents have modified ignition coils, something I'm not sure if anyone has delved into.

ASH - Maybe try
wear
gap
growth
damage

[gmeast]

multi-spark w/plasma

Hi everyone,

I see issues of not wanting to burn plugs.

The answer was really addressed in some of the Suckewer patents. I put a bunch of relevant patents into a zip file and it is in this thread somewhere.

Nasa for example was using several hundred uf's up to several thousand volts...not on spark plugs but "igniters"...different geometry to emit donut shaped bursts. Anyway, point is, that power will kill plugs fast because impulses with that many joules will can easily disintegrate just about anything.

The other patents get around the plug damage this way: it is basically multiple spark discharge from the low voltage source several times per cycle. Each successive impulse pumps the plasma with Lorentz force to eject it from the plug far into the combustion chamber.

So instead of one gigantic crazy burst, you produce 4-7 smaller multiple bursts really quick. This way it prevents the plug from wearing down and you also maintain the plasma effect for longer. It is basically MSD (multiple spark discharge) but with this plasma effect.

Hi Aaron,

This is very possible but the ignition coil would need to have a different spec' in order to get the re-charge for multiple event (providing we use the same architecture of a coil, cap diode that is). I've tried to produce the same bright blue-white plasma from just a cap discharge and it ain't the same as with a cap, inductor (coil) and an HV diode.

I'm staying the course with my present efforts but am thinking about a self initiated, free-running, in-line component that keeps pulsing the coil upon initiating the ignition cycle ... then it self-times out. This might fit in with the 'drop in' approach as our second priority. The VexUs circuit might be a good guinea pig for this ... and I have one ... tee hee.

Just blabbing. And thanks again for the voltage multiplier circuit you sent me long ago.

Peace,

Greg