Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

gotoluc, are you still here?
I have a question. Remember those tests you made of two different voltages on the primary cap, where the energy in joles was the same in both tests but the test with higher voltage and lower capacity showed a bigger effect? What circuit were you using? The basic one where there is only one primary cap that is dumped into ignition coil and the cap positiveterminal is connected to the HV output via a diode string? Or was ir a circuit with a separate booster side? Because I have a suspicion that there is a big difference in both circuits. Because I can't see almost any improvement in the plasma if I double the voltage on the booster side keeping the same capacity. The plasma seems the same no matter if you use 300v or 1000v on the booster side. If you used the basic circuit for your testsm then this should be investigated because so far it seems that the booster circuit needs more capacity (thus more amps and faster electrode wear) to get stronger effect, but the original circuit seems all about the voltage and the higher the voltage.
Thanks,
Jetijs

Hi Jetijs,

I'm still here just been busy with other commitments. Also I'm now in Florida for 2 weeks, so I'm limited to dial-up internet access during this time.

All my tests and video's are done with the basic circuit. The high voltage test was like the attached circuit below but with different cap uf value depending on charge voltage. Also note that the Capacitors I used for the hi voltage tests were both AC Capacitors (non polarized)

For those of you who have not seen the video Jetijs is referring too, here is the link: YouTube - Capacitance Vs. Voltage and Diode Test 1

If anyone else has asked me a question that I have not answered, please ask again as I may have missed your post.

Luc

[ashtweth]

Here you go guys, we were so impressed with all the groups efforts, and research that it inspired us to put this video production together with every ones collective efforts.

Water_Spark_Plug.avi

In fact i am so impressed with this research and how far every one is taking it working together that i am going to talk to the Panacea trustee's about making a donation to our head engineer Luc at the end of the year for this research

Greg, Luc, lapperll, Peter Lindermann ALL! you guys all know who you are and are mentioned and featured in this video.So you guys don't get board, we added in our results of the booster on the Brigg's also with the booster on the car, plus this video also features a suppressed plug (Ian's) exclusively given to us, we also aimed to help Rob Kupra and him, plus support the open source engineers.

You guys get the Panacea award for excellence - under the "open source device of the year", and at the end of the year ill be talking to Luc to help all, ill be adding to this video all other results and our plug wear report as they come in so its a good start.

Well done guys, the video is also a compilation as well.
Be on you tube as well tongiht

[ashtweth]

10A ...wuu huuu!! That leaves 20 amps for the booster
Thanks for the report Greg

[Ansis Freimanis]

to Greg

My calculations is similar to yours. I think this is optimal power used for this device.
Thank, you.

[Ansis Freimanis]

Hi, Greg!

Thank, you for your logical and of course intellectual circuit evolution. It is good through out inverter and making a simple, but of course anagogic device. I make real generator and it is simple as possible. There is 1 IRF540 + torroidal transformer + sinusoidal generator. This circuit is very small and I want make it- in box after some time. About HV wires: I want make custom wires. It means original wires- silicone (from distributor) + copper from "box" HV diodes. It is very simple. Sparkplug in top of anode is screwed head. Under this I think screwing copper HV wires from diodes, but on the top of screwed head connect HV wire from distributor. Other kind- is making 2 wires together custom contact with hobby crimp and this means- I have 2 copper wires- one from distributor and second from HV diodes box. This of course I connect under screwed head, but then I must isolate top of the Sparkplug. I think only about 12V- have I make a noise filter (for radio) or not?

[gmeast]

power usage

Hi all,

Now that I am generating ALL of the power my VexUs circuit uses (that includes the oscillator/inverter power) I can give you REAL power usage figures for the VexUs circuit.

at idle: 8A @ 13.8VDC = 110.4 Watts
at 4500 RPM: 10A @ 13.8 VDC = 138 Watts

I just wanted to share this information.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

Did you check this out?

This circuit is very simple. Your standard Coil+ plug wires are remaining the same. You must change Spark plugs (must be without resistors) and you must make secondary voltage (120V-220V DC out). After- You connect this (120V-220V) secondary voltage to Your Sparkplugs through High Voltage diodes. Your ordinary spark now is more "powerful".
P.S. I think your induction coil can be ordinary.

Hi Ansis,

Did you check out the VexUs circuit? I use solid plug wires, but initially I used the stock plug wires and ran separate plasma wires to the plug tops ... it works either way.

I am only using 3uF CDI cap but it is a very nice plasma spark. I'll post the new spark event video (since I added my new oscillator transformer).

Peace,

Greg

[Ansis Freimanis]

to Ozi

This circuit is very simple. Your standard Coil+ plug wires are remaining the same. You must change Spark plugs (must be without resistors) and you must make secondary voltage (120V-220V DC out). After- You connect this (120V-220V) secondary voltage to Your Sparkplugs through High Voltage diodes. Your ordinary spark now is more "powerful".
P.S. I think your induction coil can be ordinary.

[Ozicell]

Coil Primary

Hi Guys,

I just posted over on Ball Spark plug an update for those interested.

Now I have a question regarding your circuits. or more to the point, what's happening at the primaryand how that translates to the secondary! I am waiting on a distributor kit to replace my points but meanwhile I have purchased a coil with a lot of grunt! I am hoping that I may not need any more power for my plugs than this will produce.

Ok, the coil primary is of course 12volts input but operates at .45ohms. If I am correct, that will translate into around 26.5amps going in at the primary. The secondary produces 60,000volts, I don't know what amperage to expect at the secondary, I realise resistance is a factor so I will be running my Kiker replicants or similar.

My question is, how will this stack up beside your circuits?

Has anyone played with a coil like this before? Knowing the effects I got with my plugs on just standard points and standard coil, I am hoping for big things with the new set up!

All thoughts and suggestions greatly received.

Cheers
Ozi

[Gibs]

Think twice

Nice to have you back Mike.

I hope that everyone has already took this as a serious advice.

Maybe by sharing this experience, you just saved somebodys life!

We WILL think twice.

Thank you.


Gibs

[roxaz]

someone made it? YouTube - Cold Fusion Plasma 9

[gmeast]

Thanks

Hi Greg, There are some very easy and updated hydroxy designs in the open source hydroxy course on the university site. The most efficient and easy to construct so far i have found is the Tubular stainless steel ones. They are under the Karma booster and wouter's water fuel for all. Also i would be careful injecting too much hydroxy into the bug unless you know how to retard the timing?, from memory those bugs have a one liter engine? So 2LPM will be allot more then for a normal engine. But you probably know all that already

Hi Ash,

Thanks for the heads up.

Greg

[gmeast]

transformer

Greg,
Awesome results

Was that the 20vac transformer that you used?

I can't believe that you received it already!! I'm still waiting on my parts from Mouser

Good to know there was positive results though.

Are you still planning on using the voltage doubler?


Lapperl

Hi LapperL,

The one I used was one I had ordered earlier. It is a 10 VDC X 1.2A output. When the 20V one comes I'll swap that one out and add the voltage multiplier back in. I wanted to verify that the higher amp rating for the xformer would prevent 'drooping' at higher RPM and I got that verification.

Thanks and I'll let ya know when the other gets here.

Peace,

Greg

[lapperl]

Hi all,

I just got my new tranny from Digi-Key today and changed out the old one. I also eliminated the voltage multiplier for test reasons. It is important for the plasma arc to not decrease in magnitude with increases in frequency ... or more simply engine RPM.

I have included a scope capture showing the engine running at around 4000 RPM. This can be computed from the period between each discharge event. So every 7.5 u-secs a plasma discharge occurs. With 4-cylinders and every other cycle for 4-stroke ... do the math.

The trace is the same for each event at high speed as it is for idle. The new transformer I just bought for the oscillator fully supports the energy draw required to generate the plasma events at high frequency.

As you can see the discharge transient is nearly 180+ VDC solidly and consistently without droop. I'm very satisfied.

The difference the smallest amount of water makes in the arc is astounding! I am going to introduce atomized water in the intake air as a first test. I am in the process of building a SID CELL Hydroxy generator that I will eventually run in the Bug.

Thanks for reading. Peace,

Greg

Greg,
Awesome results

Was that the 20vac transformer that you used?

I can't believe that you received it already!! I'm still waiting on my parts from Mouser

Good to know there was positive results though.

Are you still planning on using the voltage doubler?


Lapperl

[turbotrana]

Mike, sorry to hear about your mishap. This is a wakeup call to all of us. Lack of sleep and HV experiements dont mix. The other day had to cut down a huge tree when I was really tired. Made a judgement call to do it the following day. A foggy head can kill you.