New Stan Meyer replication

[tutanka]

xogen and heterodyne

This image is extracted from xogen patent..

The xogen patent is an clear example of heterodyne effect and you can see clearly that the pulse frequency is on the positive!!

But.... I have found that the heterodyne effect is amplified if pulse is added also on negative.

In this case the extra current produced from the heterodyne effect is used from the cell producing gas without the INPUT power source.

[jonabel1971]

I mean it. Stop posting here. You have your own thread - so post there.

I have seen MULTITUDES of HHO generators make more gas then mine - it doesn't make it a scalable machine, nor a resonant machine.

And, that's really not the point. The point on this thread is to show a natural resonance in an LRC circuit - with water as the resistor. Your machine DOES NOT do that - it's just passing "beats" through the water. Single frequencies cannot produce "pulse trains". They only produce pulses.


EVERYBODY - 2 frequencies are needed for a Stan Meyer reproduction.

From your video I don't see flame test or good gas production.

When heterodyne effect work inside the cell you produce some gas because the reaction produce more current independently from the input.
This effect is visible clearly inside my video .. the power supply go to zero absorption producing every same amount of gas.

Here are my videos.. I have started in a fast time but the next week I sent new one increasing heterodyne effect building an new firmware with different heterodyne pulses on plates.


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post227792

[tutanka]

I mean it. Stop posting here. You have your own thread - so post there.

I have seen MULTITUDES of HHO generators make more gas then mine - it doesn't make it a scalable machine, nor a resonant machine.

And, that's really not the point. The point on this thread is to show a natural resonance in an LRC circuit - with water as the resistor. Your machine DOES NOT do that - it's just passing "beats" through the water. Single frequencies cannot produce "pulse trains". They only produce pulses.


EVERYBODY - 2 frequencies are needed for a Stan Meyer reproduction.

Just two frequencies are used inside my board.


However if gas production is the one that I saw in this video Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 1st, 2011 - YouTube I suggest you to update your circuit.

I stop to write in your threads!!

[jonabel1971]

You let me worry about that.

It's time that you let people deal with their own progress.
That is not up to you.
Bye.

Just two frequencies are used inside my board.


However if gas production is the one that I saw in this video Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 1st, 2011 - YouTube I suggest you to update your circuit.

I stop to write in your threads!!

[Duncan]

calm down....

Jon I obviously took it for granted that the circuit would be doubled up ! I guess the thing which is hard to accept is we are not discovering … proving or developing anything here Its all been done many many times and all the theory and the technology is known by hundreds if not thousands of people.
Many of those people have been murdered, maimed threatened, imprisoned and injured in order to keep that technology right where it is … suppressed …. Those who are prepared to comment on a forum like this are rare and of course its rather up to the reader to try and sort the honest broker from the huge amount of “paid agent” miss information posted on forums.
I can well understand you getting pissed if someone seems to be pulling your thread off the topic you are pursuing however in the case of Mike I happen to know he is one of the guys that has been there done it and got the tee shirt , quite a lot of years ago too . Now I only say this because guys like Mike and Tutanka have spent years and years on this energy source . It basically comprises two very Important stages as far as I can make out …
1/ splitting water economically and 2/ making a useful fuel out of the resulting gas
The first part has been done time and time again .. commercial welding and cutting machines produced , ...although they all tended to get shut down pretty quick! however t.p.t.b didn't kill and maim (as far as I know)
So Jon the work guys like Michael and Tutanka have done is very significant. They of course hope to profit from their endeavours and quite rightly too .. The chances of them ever doing that are scant in my opinion. From what I have said you may think that either one would have a motive for misdirection . I happen to know some of the background of both of these members and that really isn’t the case in fact rapid cheap economical production of HHO in the public arena is a big advantage to both of them, A little research will show that their real area of interest is the adaptation of the gas into a viable fuel. The fracturing process has been done time and time again so much so that if I started listing the guys who have done it the page would quickly fill up.
As I have pointed out a very cheap easily constructed piece of kit that serves a very useful purpose as a workman’s tool is a way forward
This is of course stage one .. and the only part of the operation you are considering … So far
After a deal of argy bargy .. miss understanding … I'm sure we can all see .. that two frequencies are required .. In truth everyone knows that Jon and I really don’t know if your being obtuse on purpose... still Its your thread so the benefit of doubt goes to you.
The reason Tutanka is pointing to hetrodyning and Mikes work is because he knows and points out the relationship between the two frequencies and how they interact. .. which of course takes all the guess work out of the second oscillator. So Jon why not take a step back and consider the information that is being presented ?
Best wishes Duncan

[MasterBlaster]

The reason Tutanka is pointing to hetrodyning and Mikes work is because he knows and points out the relationship between the two frequencies and how they interact. .. which of course takes all the guess work out of the second oscillator

Duncan, Did they show resonance?

[Duncan]

Master Blaster .. I wouldn’t pretend to be anything near the calibre of Mike or Tutanka particularly in the area of RF … and so you need to keep in mind I’ve been looking at guys that have done this before and gratefully accepted the crumbs from their table.
I worked on Mikes project for quite a long time .. I Ignored some of his advice .. I didn’t believe the threats and intimidation stuff was real .. I know now ! I see Mike has already discovered and published an advance on that era so I see no problem in pointing out the operation .. AS I UNDERSTAND IT ..
most people view this operation as DC and … Resistance Jon in fact used the term resistance of course I'm only splitting hairs but its Impedance. .. when you talk of resonance Master Blaster it is of course resonant in the manor that a transmitting antenna is resonant... you see injecting a frequency into the water (or a power line or anything else for that matter) doesn’t result in a static wave ... like plucking an Instrument string harmonics go on up ad infinitum (In theory)
Quite a complex set of Maths was developed by Joseph Fourier dealing with the addition of these waveforms … The Fourier Analysis and transforms with out delving to far into these things .. (you can start filling ya boots here if you want to …)
Lecture 1 | The Fourier Transforms and its Applications - YouTube
The basic outcome of this is two sinusoidal waveforms F1 and F2 when smashed into each other (heterodyned) is F1 and F2 also (F1+F2) also (F1-F2)
at resonance of course any regular waveform will transform into a sine wave ! Do a resonance experiment with your scope and change from sine wave to sq wave to saw tooth .. you will see it is so! At resonance you will end up with … A sine wave
Normally these heterodyne frequencies would be expected to die.. (In layman’s terms smash into each other and die out) however Mike noted an exception where each frequency and its progression of harmonics can expand upwards and downwards with each fundamental and Its harmonic in its own space.
Mike demonstrated this progression long ago here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

I hope you can see the Importance of x6 separation and also why Tutanka is directing you to heterodyning fundamentals... however just to back up this observation .. and again just my presumption .. a three phase alternator run with one diode shorted out (always Null)… would (depending on harmonic) have a relation ship of 1st order 1 to 2 , 2nd order 1 to 4 3rd order 1 to 6 and at some frequency the “antenna's .. plates pipes ..or whatever will also be “resonant”
keeping that In mind listen to the description of Bob Boyce and how he “stumbled across the effect”At the beginning of this video clip
Bob Boyce Interview by Chris Patton (Uncut version) talking shop about hydroxy e - YouTube
he had the x6 effect with the 3rd harmonic and a resonant antenna by adjusting the frequency .. He pursued the effect with great tenacity ... another gentleman who has suffered horribly trying to alter this ****ty system and the bastards who apply it!
If you are actually prepared to study these guys and listen to them without biting their heads off (as Jon seems to do) .. probably because like us all he's also had a lot of diss - info thrown his way
there is much to be learned .. If you pay attention to Bob here you will hear him say .. with a series connection each plate had to be “adjusted slightly “ in order to maintain resonance (on each plate) .. you can perhaps now see what those slots are cut in Stan’s pipes .. (just with that little bit of information!)
IMHO It is nothing to do with acoustics .. It is fundamentally antenna element tuning rather after the style of the progressive elements of your television antenna
YAGI ANTENNA DESIGN BASICS - Learn More About a Yagi (Beam) antenna!
you are actually considering of course a casimir effect . Also I think you'll find that the WFC is tuned in the manner of radio Hams in such a way that a standing wave is across the cell (overall) in the fashion of a Standing wave which is Null (zero current) and maximum voltage
Standing Wave Ratio explained - YouTube
So Master Blaster you ask if resonance is Involved …. yes many many times over at different levels
At first glance there is no connection between a WFC or a Crystal battery a capacitor or a lead acid battery or even Peter Davey's water heater … of course the construction is the same .. plates with something In between just like the “bad battery” situation I wrestle with right now … And so Master Blaster and Jon .. for that Matter I am quite prepared to study .. listen to .. adapt change alter and present Plagiarise anything that I think will promote any of these causes . If these guys are prepared to risk their life’s and everything around it. In order to broadcast this information the least we can do is pay attention to what they say .. isn't it? Like them I think I have a method which will make this gas very useful... I can't help but wonder how many thousands of world changing developments are being held back by this disgusting system .. how many people and more importantly their families have been threatened and damaged by these bastards .. how many Stan's your never going to hear about.?
How many Dimitri's dead In a sewer with no arm's or teeth ? How many Dean Warwick's murdered in full view on stage ?
OK so I've been ****ed up a bit … blacklisted … had a few things smashed up nothing compared to some.
The development of any of these things can only progress if .. and its a big IF it can be made simple enough for one in about a thousand folks to make it in their garage ... or preferably on the kitchen table .Out of common materials. Listen to Nancy Hutchinson Nee Lazaryan keeping in mind that John has been roughed up. Had his Lab smashed had all his equipment stolen and we as a society let it happen
How to build a Hutchison Power Cell !!!! - YouTube
as I write this the forum has 32 members and 273 “guests” or should I say “parasites” …. what hope? .. one wonder's how many times this has to demostrated and prooved and how many more have to die

[jonabel1971]

Thanks- I think?

This is what they mean by killing a thread with obscurity. Way too much info here.

Both Stan and Bob said themselves that it makes little difference how the pulse trains are created. Your concentration on how to create the pulse train is really just splitting hairs.

The question that you did not answer is this- how many scope shots of Stan's resonant signal have you seen since Stan's death. Please attach any links you know of- that point to these screenshots.

Master Blaster .. I wouldn’t pretend to be anything near the calibre of Mike or Tutanka particularly in the area of RF … and so you need to keep in mind I’ve been looking at guys that have done this before and gratefully accepted the crumbs from their table.
I worked on Mikes project for quite a long time .. I Ignored some of his advice .. I didn’t believe the threats and intimidation stuff was real .. I know now ! I see Mike has already discovered and published an advance on that era so I see no problem in pointing out the operation .. AS I UNDERSTAND IT ..
most people view this operation as DC and … Resistance Jon in fact used the term resistance of course I'm only splitting hairs but its Impedance. .. when you talk of resonance Master Blaster it is of course resonant in the manor that a transmitting antenna is resonant... you see injecting a frequency into the water (or a power line or anything else for that matter) doesn’t result in a static wave ... like plucking an Instrument string harmonics go on up ad infinitum (In theory)
Quite a complex set of Maths was developed by Joseph Fourier dealing with the addition of these waveforms … The Fourier Analysis and transforms with out delving to far into these things .. (you can start filling ya boots here if you want to …)
Lecture 1 | The Fourier Transforms and its Applications - YouTube
The basic outcome of this is two sinusoidal waveforms F1 and F2 when smashed into each other (heterodyned) is F1 and F2 also (F1+F2) also (F1-F2)
at resonance of course any regular waveform will transform into a sine wave ! Do a resonance experiment with your scope and change from sine wave to sq wave to saw tooth .. you will see it is so! At resonance you will end up with … A sine wave
Normally these heterodyne frequencies would be expected to die.. (In layman’s terms smash into each other and die out) however Mike noted an exception where each frequency and its progression of harmonics can expand upwards and downwards with each fundamental and Its harmonic in its own space.
Mike demonstrated this progression long ago here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774

I hope you can see the Importance of x6 separation and also why Tutanka is directing you to heterodyning fundamentals... however just to back up this observation .. and again just my presumption .. a three phase alternator run with one diode shorted out (always Null)… would (depending on harmonic) have a relation ship of 1st order 1 to 2 , 2nd order 1 to 4 3rd order 1 to 6 and at some frequency the “antenna's .. plates pipes ..or whatever will also be “resonant”
keeping that In mind listen to the description of Bob Boyce and how he “stumbled across the effect”At the beginning of this video clip
Bob Boyce Interview by Chris Patton (Uncut version) talking shop about hydroxy e - YouTube
he had the x6 effect with the 3rd harmonic and a resonant antenna by adjusting the frequency .. He pursued the effect with great tenacity ... another gentleman who has suffered horribly trying to alter this ****ty system and the bastards who apply it!
If you are actually prepared to study these guys and listen to them without biting their heads off (as Jon seems to do) .. probably because like us all he's also had a lot of diss - info thrown his way
there is much to be learned .. If you pay attention to Bob here you will hear him say .. with a series connection each plate had to be “adjusted slightly “ in order to maintain resonance (on each plate) .. you can perhaps now see what those slots are cut in Stan’s pipes .. (just with that little bit of information!)
IMHO It is nothing to do with acoustics .. It is fundamentally antenna element tuning rather after the style of the progressive elements of your television antenna
YAGI ANTENNA DESIGN BASICS - Learn More About a Yagi (Beam) antenna!
you are actually considering of course a casimir effect . Also I think you'll find that the WFC is tuned in the manner of radio Hams in such a way that a standing wave is across the cell (overall) in the fashion of a Standing wave which is Null (zero current) and maximum voltage
Standing Wave Ratio explained - YouTube
So Master Blaster you ask if resonance is Involved …. yes many many times over at different levels
At first glance there is no connection between a WFC or a Crystal battery a capacitor or a lead acid battery or even Peter Davey's water heater … of course the construction is the same .. plates with something In between just like the “bad battery” situation I wrestle with right now … And so Master Blaster and Jon .. for that Matter I am quite prepared to study .. listen to .. adapt change alter and present Plagiarise anything that I think will promote any of these causes . If these guys are prepared to risk their life’s and everything around it. In order to broadcast this information the least we can do is pay attention to what they say .. isn't it? Like them I think I have a method which will make this gas very useful... I can't help but wonder how many thousands of world changing developments are being held back by this disgusting system .. how many people and more importantly their families have been threatened and damaged by these bastards .. how many Stan's your never going to hear about.?
How many Dimitri's dead In a sewer with no arm's or teeth ? How many Dean Warwick's murdered in full view on stage ?
OK so I've been ****ed up a bit … blacklisted … had a few things smashed up nothing compared to some.
The development of any of these things can only progress if .. and its a big IF it can be made simple enough for one in about a thousand folks to make it in their garage ... or preferably on the kitchen table .Out of common materials. Listen to Nancy Hutchinson Nee Lazaryan keeping in mind that John has been roughed up. Had his Lab smashed had all his equipment stolen and we as a society let it happen
How to build a Hutchison Power Cell !!!! - YouTube
as I write this the forum has 32 members and 273 “guests” or should I say “parasites” …. what hope? .. one wonder's how many times this has to demostrated and prooved and how many more have to die

[adys15]

My machine has always produced rust with tap water, and has always left the water clean-looking with distilled water. This has never changed. I don't believe conditioning is needed with Stan's tech. I don't believe it is ever mentioned.[/QUOTE]

Hy Jon(we talked on fb) ,glad that i found you on this forum...Good info you posted.I don't know why people make it so complicated,Jon adviced like to a child...simple and compact...For those who dont understand the transformer please see ''The Birth of...'' fig 6.1 or injector vic...Jon do you remember how you wired the start/end of winding of all coils? about the conditioning...Stan's setup pics are public for over an year...did someone seen the white coating on the 3inch wfc or the democell?NO ....Don also said that the tubes were clean...

About Ravi...he might inspire some of us at the begining but he didn't replicated anything related to Stan...I don't know why people ''worship'' him so much.1.st ravi coaded his tubes ..Stan didn't.2.ravi used just simple chokes that acted as a little resistor because he didnt use the DIODE to keed the wfc charged...You might think chokes restricted the curent but didnt,what restricted the curent was the coating on the tubes...i tried coated tubes on strait dc and consumed below 1amp.so...3rd..he didnt use a stepup transf with chokes...just chokes wired badly...4.he didnt had stepcharge,nor hv.. I think the real replication was that of JL Naudin and later Jon that showed the S.M. phenomena...Once again thanks Jon for your efforts in trying to learn people and hard work.So guys start winding coils and less complicating the process you will learn alot...Cheers!

[adys15]

This image is extracted from xogen patent..

The xogen patent is an clear example of heterodyne effect and you can see clearly that the pulse frequency is on the positive!!

But.... I have found that the heterodyne effect is amplified if pulse is added also on negative.

In this case the extra current produced from the heterodyne effect is used from the cell producing gas without the INPUT power source.

Xogen patent is a joke,i wonder how they receive it...in a skematic they show you how a skematic that uses a555 and 2 crap transistors pulsed and a wfc...Now thats hi-tech...What the pulses are doing to the water?i think magical thinkerig of the atoms...

[adys15]

Hey, I already posted my plans and videos for free, to show a different behavior than DC electrolysis - what more do you want? As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online. If Aaron DOES have some sort of hidden Meyer's technology, then what is he doing here on the discussions? - It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of, too - does that mean I should interrupt and discredit OTHER people's attempts at Meyer's technology? Believe who you want, but I don't get a cent for giving away my work. Also, anybody can write a book full of nonsense - its called science fiction. So, I don't try to misinform - just to get a book sold. I'm not doing this for money, so again, who is tainted?

Aron please keep the forum clean and stop bothering people with your nitrogen crap NITROGEN IS A NON-COMBUSTIBLE GAS...the ''secret'' that is in the patent writen as big as your head... is striping the electrons of the oxigen atom (from ambient air)to increase his power output that was done with the gas processor located on the intake of the engine...Watch IronDmax on youtube...Cheers!

[Ein~+ein]

Aron please keep the forum clean and stop bothering people with your nitrogen crap NITROGEN IS A NON-COMBUSTIBLE GAS...the ''secret'' that is in the patent writen as big as your head... is striping the electrons of the oxigen atom (from ambient air)to increase his power output that was done with the gas processor located on the intake of the engine...Watch IronDmax on youtube...Cheers!

How do you know what Aaron says is crap?
How do you know what IronDmx says isn't?

You realize that in the very least, you're going to have to provide evidence as Aaron had (unless you're disputing that evidence), that S.M. made reference to LEDs or lasers OR prove it, because those who've done this research make NO SUCH CLAIM.

[adys15]

How do you know what Aaron says is crap?
How do you know what IronDmx says isn't?

You realize that in the very least, you're going to have to provide evidence as Aaron had (unless you're disputing that evidence), that S.M. made reference to LEDs or lasers OR prove it, because those who've done this research make NO SUCH CLAIM.

I dont have to proove nothing,just build Jon's setup like he advices and you will see it works,worked for me

''How do you know what Aaron says is crap?
How do you know what IronDmx says isn't? ''


Max prooved everithing he said...about S.M. efect...he is working on the gas procesor now,and what he said makes sense.What Aron proved?what he have done with nitrogen since is a noncombustible?lower the burnrate?Stan did this with exaust gases....Lets close this discution on nitrogen and say that Stan mentioned about nitrogen when he said that it is not a danger for the environment because is in very small amount coming out the exaust...So lets not polute this thread with more nitrogen.
here is a scopeshot,,it is a souncardpcscope so its no clearThe secound is where Stan mentions about LED;s...Cheers

[tutanka]

I dont have to proove nothing,just build Jon's setup like he advices and you will see it works,worked for me

''How do you know what Aaron says is crap?
How do you know what IronDmx says isn't? ''


Max prooved everithing he said...about S.M. efect...he is working on the gas procesor now,and what he said makes sense.What Aron proved?what he have done with nitrogen since is a noncombustible?lower the burnrate?Stan did this with exaust gases....Lets close this discution on nitrogen and say that Stan mentioned about nitrogen when he said that it is not a danger for the environment because is in very small amount coming out the exaust...So lets not polute this thread with more nitrogen.
here is a scopeshot,,it is a souncardpcscope so its no clearThe secound is where Stan mentions about LED;s...Cheers

Again, again and again..

We are talking every of plasma air.. and the reaction for start need plasma and electrons bt remember also that ionization don't have long life..

[adys15]

Again, again and again..

We are talking every of plasma air.. and the reaction for start need plasma and electrons bt remember also that ionization don't have long life..

if you imediadly consume the electrons the oxigen atom remain highly energized untill gas ignition.