New Stan Meyer replication

[Aaron]

what is free energy

I have to admit I am one of the people who thought free energy was free.

I posted this for clarification of course from my perspective and to not deviate from the topic of this thread. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ergy-what.html

[tachyon]

meyer used ultrasounds from what I know

[Duncan]

Ultrasonic... the hedgehog?

Do you really think so tachyon? .. I recall reading that Stan was having trouble at one time with TVI (Interfering with local televisions) which rather indicates he was operating at RF. Although obviously the demonstration effort with pipes and wot not was a very different set up to the the Dune bug . As Stan was a radio Amateur that sort of fits in too.
It fact now I think about it the majority of the HHO guys were skilled in RF at one level or another. John Kansas (owned a TV station) Puharich was was also involved with cancer treatment using RF.
As for the Nitrogen /combustion debate …. who cares?
There is a huge range of uses for HHO alone if it can be produced economically safely and cheaply .. from cutting steel to a cheap economical clean torch that plumbers can use. And never buy gas .
Keep In mind that No … zero … Zip, free energy devices have made it into the big world yet .
If Jon has discovered a simple way to produce HHO if nothing else It forces a technology which most people know nothing about into the main stream … It may not be the whole answer to running a car on it ... but we all know its a giant step along the path.
Get 1000s of working operational units out there world wide and Millions who were only vaguely aware of “Browns gas” will be working on stage two. .. that’s the way greed works!
If Its possible to make a brilliant plumbers torch out of a few 555 times .. wow it would be a giant leap forward … and make a lot of money for the guys working quietly behind the scenes making and selling the things … as a kit of some sort perhaps. Look what HHO is doing here...
Browns Gas - YouTube
Unfortunately the state of t.p.t.b and the greed of the individual means each developer proclaims HHO to be “his gas” … “his invention” Its been Brown's gas … Dan’s gas …. and probably uncle Tom cobbley an all's gas .. The gas was demonstrated long before Brown in the UK and in the USA
Indeed HHO units were manufactured and marketed in the US as a “Hene's water welder” from 1961
developed from William Rhodes us patent 3,262,872... (So perhaps Rhodes gas too?) of course t.p.t.b were not about to let that manufacture continue.
However … If a few million units could be simply made with silly cheap parts world wide ( as Jon has indicated might be the case) and sold quietly to the plumbing Industry … the end result would be world changing IMHO!
As for the combustion in the ICE I don't really know enough chemistry … nitrogen or whatever to comment, research however indicates Yule Brown ran a Car on the gas in Australia and altered the engine to do so. The record shows that his engine worked on Implosion .. so make of that what you will!
For what its worth .. If this thing works as Jon says and can be made safe stable and portable and does all the things shown in the video … then we need little printed circuits … designed a system using perhaps an acrylic pipe , a gas torch spec .. and all the rest
and then get these things into the plumbing industry .. under the radar Every thing else will follow .. automatically.
Its obviously a technology who's useful development and manufacture is being suppressed private under the radar manufacture and distribution of cheap portable machines would I'm sure break the barrier.
like all things COP+1.. any sort of open maufacture, or development well .. any one with the slightest bit of nous knows the result
same as what Stan got
Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube
"Land of the free" ... Mortal coil!

[jonabel1971]

Thanks.

Thanks for the kind words. I did try hooking up Lawton's ENTIRE circuit.

My results were inconclusive in terms of efficiency, and I didn't spend too much time trying to hit "resonance" with Lawton's FULL circuit setup - but, running at 1 amp and 12 volts, it was visibly creating more gas then my limited Meyer's replication.

Lawton's FULL circuit doesn't allow you to go much higher - in terms of voltage & power input, however.

With Stan's circuit, you can scale up the voltage. My new VIC is completed at a ratio of 121:1. 30 volts should give me 3630 volts output - enough to test for polarization.

I've seen that Opie & Anthony Radio Show before. That is insulting as a human being to watch people openly mock a murder. Regardless of who.

That attitude is permeating most of the North Dakota population, right now. When you tell them about it - even the nicest old granny will look you in the eye and say "Oh Sonny, somebody's gonna come kill YOU!"

Sometimes, even a granny can sound like a b****.

The DJs didn't even attack the technology - just the dead inventor. We are not evolving yet.

Do you really think so tachyon? .. I recall reading that Stan was having trouble at one time with TVI (Interfering with local televisions) which rather indicates he was operating at RF. Although obviously the demonstration effort with pipes and wot not was a very different set up to the the Dune bug . As Stan was a radio Amateur that sort of fits in too.
It fact now I think about it the majority of the HHO guys were skilled in RF at one level or another. John Kansas (owned a TV station) Puharich was was also involved with cancer treatment using RF.
As for the Nitrogen /combustion debate …. who cares?
There is a huge range of uses for HHO alone if it can be produced economically safely and cheaply .. from cutting steel to a cheap economical clean torch that plumbers can use. And never buy gas .
Keep In mind that No … zero … Zip, free energy devices have made it into the big world yet .
If Jon has discovered a simple way to produce HHO if nothing else It forces a technology which most people know nothing about into the main stream … It may not be the whole answer to running a car on it ... but we all know its a giant step along the path.
Get 1000s of working operational units out there world wide and Millions who were only vaguely aware of “Browns gas” will be working on stage two. .. that’s the way greed works!
If Its possible to make a brilliant plumbers torch out of a few 555 times .. wow it would be a giant leap forward … and make a lot of money for the guys working quietly behind the scenes making and selling the things … as a kit of some sort perhaps. Look what HHO is doing here...
Browns Gas - YouTube
Unfortunately the state of t.p.t.b and the greed of the individual means each developer proclaims HHO to be “his gas” … “his invention” Its been Brown's gas … Dan’s gas …. and probably uncle Tom cobbley an all's gas .. The gas was demonstrated long before Brown in the UK and in the USA
Indeed HHO units were manufactured and marketed in the US as a “Hene's water welder” from 1961
developed from William Rhodes us patent 3,262,872... (So perhaps Rhodes gas too?) of course t.p.t.b were not about to let that manufacture continue.
However … If a few million units could be simply made with silly cheap parts world wide ( as Jon has indicated might be the case) and sold quietly to the plumbing Industry … the end result would be world changing IMHO!
As for the combustion in the ICE I don't really know enough chemistry … nitrogen or whatever to comment, research however indicates Yule Brown ran a Car on the gas in Australia and altered the engine to do so. The record shows that his engine worked on Implosion .. so make of that what you will!
For what its worth .. If this thing works as Jon says and can be made safe stable and portable and does all the things shown in the video … then we need little printed circuits … designed a system using perhaps an acrylic pipe , a gas torch spec .. and all the rest
and then get these things into the plumbing industry .. under the radar Every thing else will follow .. automatically.
Its obviously a technology who's useful development and manufacture is being suppressed private under the radar manufacture and distribution of cheap portable machines would I'm sure break the barrier.
like all things COP+1.. any sort of open maufacture, or development well .. any one with the slightest bit of nous knows the result
same as what Stan got
Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube
"Land of the free" ... Mortal coil!

[jonabel1971]

I wish someone would force Tachyon to do some reading - before posting.
I don't think I have heard him say 1 technical thing correctly since I came here a month ago. What is a senior member doing - talking like that? Disgraceful.

It's gotta be a bot.

[jonabel1971]

Thanks, have you tried this circuit with Naudin's WFC coil circuit?

Will it resonate?

Ok let’s see if this is bit more on topic. Jon made a noticeable improvement to the original “Dave Lawton Pulse Width Modulator” circuit. Actually anything would have been an improvement to Dave’s original circuit because as I recall the original had some errors in it and probably wouldn’t work. Anyway separating the two 555 timers and running their outputs through a logic gate to combine their outputs is a definite improvement.

However there still is a problem with using the 555 timer, you cannot change the frequency without it also changing the pulse width. The following circuit, using a single LM339, eliminates that problem. Either the frequency or the pulse width can be changed without the other being effected.

The circuit consists of two of the 339’s comparators wired as free running square wave oscillators, one for low frequency the other for high frequency. But I don’t care about the square wave output but rather the triangular wave across the timing capacitors. This is feed down to one input of a comparator the other input is a voltage controlled by a potentiometer. By adjusting this voltage it will produce a variable width pulse on the output which will be at whatever frequency the oscillator is set at. (PWM) Seeing that the output transistors in the 339 are open collector these two circuits can then be gated together, to produce a composite signal, by simply connecting their outputs together and tying them through a pull-up resistor to a plus voltage.
So connect this to a favorite driver circuit of your choice and state making HHO.



Alright so now who is going to be the first to drive their car around the block?

[Duncan]

circuit ...

comments ... A pleasure Jon .. you are sharing your experiance free of charge
as a hybrid of your control circuit and that demostrated by the Mad Scientist ..
This "best of both worlds" by RM cybernetics might fit the bill.
DIY Homemade Signal Generator with Pulse Width Modulation - RMCybernetics
It would seem they will supply built which is good for those with little or no electronics experiance .. or else the construction detail is there ... according to the detail the full range of the 555 is avaliable ... and like wise the duty cycle
Best wishes Duncan
PS also if of interest the Dave Lawton PCB is avaliable here
Dave Lawton Electrolyser Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) - PCB | eBay

[jonabel1971]

You need 2 frequencies & at least 1 duty cycle. The other duty cycle can be left at 50%.

This circuit doesn't do that.

comments ... A pleasure Jon .. you are sharing your experiance free of charge
as a hybrid of your control circuit and that demostrated by the Mad Scientist ..
This "best of both worlds" by RM cybernetics might fit the bill.
DIY Homemade Signal Generator with Pulse Width Modulation - RMCybernetics
It would seem they will supply built which is good for those with little or no electronics experiance .. or else the construction detail is there ... according to the detail the full range of the 555 is avaliable ... and like wise the duty cycle
Best wishes Duncan
PS also if of interest the Dave Lawton PCB is avaliable here
Dave Lawton Electrolyser Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) - PCB | eBay

[tutanka]

You need 2 frequencies & at least 1 duty cycle. The other duty cycle can be left at 50%.

This circuit doesn't do that.

You need just one board with one frequency max to 100Khz with variable duty cycle (trought two switches) for increase or decrease current on your HHO cell and an additional on/off pulse for save some electrical power creating splitting positive (and negative) effect. Of course .. for have zero oxidation on your plates you need electronic reverse polarity, That's all!!

[Joit]

Maybe?

You need just one board with one frequency max to 100Khz with variable duty cycle (trought two switches) for increase or decrease current on your HHO cell and an additional on/off pulse for save some electrical power creating splitting positive (and negative) effect. Of course .. for have zero oxidation on your plates you need electronic reverse polarity, That's all!!

Maybe in your Circuitry, but this one is not Yours, Tutanka.
So leave it, to try to make things here complicated.

Mixing 2 Frequencys did give often other Results as some expect.
Leave it, when its not your Case.

[tutanka]

Maybe in your Circuitry, but this one is not Yours, Tutanka.
So leave it, to try to make things here complicated.

Mixing 2 Frequencys did give often other Results as some expect.
Leave it, when its not your Case.

Let me think...

Mixing two frequencies what can appear??

Nothing of NEW.. in this forum Mike have written and explain sometimes about heterodyne effect!!!

CHECK --> http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post176297

[jonabel1971]

2 frequencies are needed for resonant Stan Meyer effects. The bifilar wrap is also needed.

Otherwise, yes - you can reduce heat and current with your PWM.

Many companies already sell these online with their HHO generators for cars today - but it's not using resonance - it's just a cooler running and more efficient DC electrolysis. No magnetic transformers are needed if you do it that way.

But, you won't be able to build the step-wise, repeating, resonant signal with only one frequency.

Please don't confuse the issue by telling people that - this is a thread about a Stan Meyer replication.

And then you add a link to direct people to Nunnerly's paper? This isn't Stan Meyer's work either. Can we keep on topic here?

Let me think...

Mixing two frequencies what can appear??

Nothing of NEW.. in this forum Mike have written and explain sometimes about heterodyne effect!!!

CHECK --> http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post176297

[tutanka]

2 frequencies are needed for resonant Stan Meyer effects. The bifilar wrap is also needed.

Otherwise, yes - you can reduce heat and current with your PWM.

Many companies already sell these online with their HHO generators for cars today - but it's not using resonance - it's just a cooler running and more efficient DC electrolysis. No magnetic transformers are needed if you do it that way.

But, you won't be able to build the step-wise, repeating, resonant signal with only one frequency.

Please don't confuse the issue by telling people that - this is a thread about a Stan Meyer replication.

And then you add a link to direct people to Nunnerly's paper? This isn't Stan Meyer's work either. Can we keep on topic here?

The link is just for understand how heterodyne work!!
When you mix two frequencies togheter We are talking of heterodyne!
The resonance inside ALL HHO CELLS is reached ONLY with heterodyne..
If your circuit work why you don't share an video as me?
Thanks for read me

[jonabel1971]

I got lots of videos showing rising pulses and actual resonance that matches Stan's RESONANT signal from page 137 of his Tech Brief.
See links below.

Where are the links to your videos?

I am not even going to question your statement, "The resonance inside ALL HHO CELLS is reached ONLY with heterodyne.. "
It's obviously false.

I wish you would research - a little - before saying stuff like that.

Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 1st, 2011 - YouTube (June 1st, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 20th, 2011 - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Replicated at Fargo ND University - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Replicated at Fargo North Dakota University - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Resonance with a diode.mp4 - YouTube (May 3rd, 2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwenfkbDi9Q (unpublished - 15 minute video showing how to reach rising pulse signal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzLov6nDlQ (unpublished - 3 minute continuation - showing actual resonance).

The link is just for understand how heterodyne work!!
The resonance inside ALL HHO CELLS is reached ONLY with heterodyne..
If your circuit work why you don't share an video as me?
Thanks for read me

[tutanka]

I got lots of videos showing rising pulses and actual resonance that matches Stan's RESONANT signal from page 137 of his Tech Brief.
See links below.

Where are the links to your videos?

I am not even going to question your statement, "The resonance inside ALL HHO CELLS is reached ONLY with heterodyne.. "
It's obviously false.

I wish you would research - a little - before saying stuff like that.

Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 1st, 2011 - YouTube (June 1st, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Machine Replicated at a Fargo, ND university on June 20th, 2011 - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Replicated at Fargo ND University - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Scalable Rapid Hydrogen Production Replicated at Fargo North Dakota University - YouTube (June 20th, 2011)
Resonance with a diode.mp4 - YouTube (May 3rd, 2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwenfkbDi9Q (unpublished - 15 minute video showing how to reach rising pulse signal).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgzLov6nDlQ (unpublished - 3 minute continuation - showing actual resonance).

From your video I don't see flame test or good gas production.

When heterodyne effect work inside the cell you produce some gas because the reaction produce more current independently from the input.
This effect is visible clearly inside my video .. the power supply go to zero absorption producing every same amount of gas.

Here are my videos.. I have started in a fast time but the next week I sent new one increasing heterodyne effect building an new firmware with different heterodyne pulses on plates.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/13605-kit-board-hho-dry-cells.html#post227792