Bedini's "Free Energy Generation" machine aka "1984" aka "Watson"

[baroutologos]

Does anyone knows where i can find a high torque permanent magnet motor (150+ watt) that has the ability to free wheel when not turned on?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Mark]

You mean like an automotive starter, blower motor or cooling fan motor?

[baroutologos]

@ Mark

As you already know, i try to replicate FEG. For this reason i look for a permanent type motor that is efficient enough and freewheels when unpowered.

I know that many Dc motors when unpowered, they oppose rotation. I do not want that.
Are automotive starters efficient motors? Are they freewheeling?
What do you suggets.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[tjnlsn255]

Maybe an electric scooter motor?

I bet they are freewheeling....

Tj

[Mark]

Baroutologos

I'm not sure how much torque you need but a heater blower motor and a cooling fan motor both free wheel. When you look at the picture of the FEG that Bedini built at this web sight the drive motor is a blower motor. Scroll down about 2/3 of the way down and you will see a split picture of Bedini'd and Watson machines.

Mark

[baroutologos]

I need to procure, some I laminations with the following characteristics.
High magnetic flux permeatability & low eddie-hysteresis losses.

Anyone knows any shop on line?

Regards,
Baroutologos

ps: Thanks tj for the electric scooter info

[wrtner]

[QUOTE=baroutologos;56831]I need to procure, some I laminations with the following characteristics.
High magnetic flux permeatability & low eddie-hysteresis losses.

QUOTE]
What about dismantling an existing transformer? Will that material suit you?

Microwave ovens are being regularly thrown out with the rubbish, and abound in recycling centres. They have a mean 8:1 mains transformer.
Paul_R

[baroutologos]

I have dismantled an existing transformer and make experiments on my device.
But i plan at using around my rotor some 10-15 coils, so i am gonna need too many laminations that will be uniform in dimensions.

Any shop that sells will be great. By the way i need laminations and bobins that fit those. :s too many materials...

Regards,
Baroutologos

[elias]

Hello all,

I put together my SSG-FEG combo and test it. I must admit its a failure..

With 40 volts and 3 axial coils max out 1100 rpm only with the finest lubrication.
I intended at achieving some 3000 rmp. Not such luck tho
For others to know, axial SSG is MUCH more defficient than radial in terms of speed/torque. Anyway, ssg does not fit the purpose as originally thought.

I am dissapointed.
Nevertheless, i will pursue the FEG cause with pulsed permanent magnet motor or rotorverter.

Can anyone suggests a source for high torque permanent magnet motors for FEg?
Or rotoverter. Have anyone experience from such units?


Regards,
Baroutologos

I am not sure why your results are like this, I wonder how is your magnet spacings. In order to get higher RPM you'd better increase your magnet spacings. My Machine has three coils with four magnets making it a Bedini/Muller Hybrid and I am planning to extract energy by adding more coils to it. It currently operates at around 1500 RPM with 20V,650mA. I have been able to extract about 0.6W with minimal drag, by using one coil, I am experimenting with different configurations. For now I have connected the Bedini charger output to a 40W lamp, with a capacitor across it.

I have hopes to make this machine go above unity. It currently recovers almost half of the supplied energy to the lamp around 6W. My machine is using 6W, therefore by being able to add around 10 such coils it will operate at unity, I am now trying to figure out if I can increase the energy output, by using different configurations.

I wonder what kind of geometry of the coil would produce the most output.

Elias

Elias

[nvisser]

Hi Elias
Please post some photos. It sounds as if you got a nice machine there. Something that I struggle with as I do not have all that mechanical skills.
Why dont you try Cody`s suggestion to get more voltage out of your coil.
There is a post about it a bit earlier in this thread(video). They short the coil as the sine wave reach its max voltage ie: when the magnet is alligned with your coil , I think! and it results in a huge voltage spike simillar to the bemf spike when you drive the coil with a pulse instead of a magnet
I want to try it but just doesn`t get time to do it.

[elias]

Hi Elias
Please post some photos. It sounds as if you got a nice machine there. Something that I struggle with as I do not have all that mechanical skills.
Why dont you try Cody`s suggestion to get more voltage out of your coil.
There is a post about it a bit earlier in this thread(video). They short the coil as the sine wave reach its max voltage ie: when the magnet is alligned with your coil , I think! and it results in a huge voltage spike simillar to the bemf spike when you drive the coil with a pulse instead of a magnet
I want to try it but just doesn`t get time to do it.

Thanks nvisser

I would post some photos as soon as possible, BTW I think that the high voltage is resulted when the magnet is leaving the coil. thanks for the nice comments. I am currently working on it on some days, and will try some different configurations if possible, it is a whole mess here in Iran, so I'll post it as soon as I get home: Iran's Disputed Election - The Big Picture - Boston.com

There are some strong evidence of rigging the election and people are protesting against the government.
Plz pray ...

Elias

[nvisser]

[QUOTE=baroutologos;56426]
Can anyone suggest a source for high torque permanent magnet motors for FEG?
Hi
I remembered last night about this video I saw. I also download the pdf awhile ago from a torrent.
The fuel less motor!! See:

YouTube - The Fuelless Engine

They turn the coils with thin wire (27 awg), lots of turns. I made a coil like that and it measured about 660 ohms using the thin wire from east, west correction coils on crt monitors. I do plan to build a motor like that one day.
Anyway they use a battery and inverter to get a 110 or 220v ac voltage depending on your countries standards. It goes to a voltage trippler (diodes and capacitors) and the result is 1000v dc low current. That goes into 2 or more capacitor banks and these voltages are switched to the coils by normal brushes (commutators)
They recon that if you switch such a hi voltage into a coil like this it will expel a magnet to the roof. Apparently dangerous!
They also claim this motor to be high torque and it only draws low current.
They also claim to recharge the drive battery with the bemf like in Bedini`s ssg with a diode
I personally think there are great potential in this method. Only no time to explore

[wrtner]

high torque motors

[QUOTE=nvisser;57290]

Can anyone suggest a source for high torque permanent magnet motors for FEG?

I am not sure about applicability to the FEG, but an interesting
series of high torque magnet motors is the Lynch Etek range
made by the electric branch of Briggs & Stratton.

[baroutologos]

Its time to post my results to thsi forum also as i did not the overunity.com

You must excuse my initial frustration since the damned motor failed to my expectations. But I have many things to learn from that, in low-medium rpm region. (1100)

So far my "FEG-PEREPEITEIA" combo is not about efficiency. Its about pointing out the pirnciple.

Thus not taking into consideration the input power, feeding the inefficient motor (SSG) as much as possible, i managed to achieved some 1200+ rpm.

THE TEST
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My coil specs: 55mm height, 13mm core stuffed with wire rods (33) insulated each other, wound smoothly (with a drill) with 0.3mm enameled wire @ 72 ohms.

Naturally any coil put in generator mode under load decellarates. (Lenz's law) This is not always the case.

I run it and above the 1100 rmp threshold yes there was accelaration on rotor when the coil shorted.
I repeat, I confirm accelaration, as many have claimed (Heins, Bedini, Muller etc). I do not own yet a tachymeter but its easy to see it by the increasing voltage produced due to rmp increase.

0.13 Amps (more or less) current was oscillated in that coil (AC) at 105+ volts


Regards,
Baroutologos

[baroutologos]

First Impressions
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Shorting means smoother action
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The particular High Volatge coil when shorted in the low rpm region (that's relative, for my case >900 rpm) showed a remarkable decelaration.
Between 900-1100 the shorted coil made no difference to rpm, whereas above 1100 it started slowly to accelarate. (not much though)

By the way, no matter what the rpm, (accelaration or deccelaration) when the coil remains unshorted infront the spinning rotor of neos there is signifficant vibration and noise in the whole structure. (8mm gap)

When shorted, (accelarating or deccelarating) the vibration and cogging action just vanishes! It goes as if it is "lubricated", in a smooth fashion. Interesting effect...

HV coil shorted accelarates, if loaded then deccelarates!
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I reapetedly made the same experiment and observation. With two coils so far.
There is a peculiar property of the HV coil. When shorted and goes to accelaration mode, you can measure the current that oscillates in it. (mine had 0.13 Amps AC through it)
Notice i use the term "oscillating" current through it.

The bizzare thing is that, if you apply to the HV coil an signifficant load that restrain its oscillating current, (form 130 ma to 60 ma via an 1K ohm load) not only accelaration does vanishes, BUT, it start to act as a normal generator coil. (brake)

Notice that i did not reached those coclusions easily. But to my setup at least it more than obvious.

Bottom line, if I want to harvest any power from my HV coil, it must be done in such way as to impose as low as possible impedance to the oscillating current.

(Note the max outputted power that my HV coil can deliver in a 1kohm resistance and acts as a break is 3 watts, whereas if i connect it to charge a batt via a FWBR i can harvest almost 1watt with minimal if any deccelaration)

Regards,
Baroutologos