Bedini Capacitive Discharge Chargers

[CaptainScat]

thanks guys for the quick response, so no 555 is needed in this setup either?
the local surplus store here has a half dozen or so big caps like the ones in aaron's video, think i might have to go shopping today

[Jetijs]

I tried the neon bulb triggering once. It went well, but after a while the neon bulb became dimmer, I could see that the inner surface of the bulb became dark as if the bulb has blacken with somke from the inside. Then I stopped this test.

[Aaron]

discharge info

Hi all,

You can certainly use higher voltage discharges if you want.

I've done up to 90v from caps triggered by neon bulb triggering a scr.
If voltage is too high with not enough current..example...I was using a
600v cap .1 or .01 uf...so it fills up fast...at high frequency discharge of
voltage like that...it will make the batts rise in voltage, but won't power
much...it is electrostatic voltage charge.

You need at least the bare minimum amount of current to get the lead
ions moving in charging mode to my understanding.

Those caps in the vid are 30,000 60volts...made by Aerovox or something.
Anyway, I got those from ebay about 6 years ago or so for about $5 each.

A neon/scr circuit can replace an entire 555 circuit but again, if the trigger
voltage is high and not enough capacitance to give a good burst, it will be
a very fluffy charge.

If capacitance is too high to get the voltage rise in the caps that you want, then the discharge frequency might be too slow and again, this won't charge a battery very well. I used a bike wheel motor with the 2000 turn trifilar charging 180,000uf to about 2-3 volts over the battery and triggered by mechanical switch on pully and it took about 2 seconds to get to a few volts above the battery...and that works fine as long as the capacitance seems to be high enough. On that example for example, I would charge the batt like a 12v 7ah gel cell for 1-2 hours then I would turn off the circuit. The voltage would continue to climb and climb for up to an hour with no additional input. According to Bearden, that is the momentum of the lead ions still moving and that may or may not be accurate. Either way, the effect is very real.

[Mario]

Discharge info

Hi Aaron,

thanks for the info. I was wondering, you said you used these hi capacitance caps rated for 60 V, but even if you discharge them at say 16V they still get hit by a few hundred volts from the coil. Isn't this bad for them? Does John do the same?

best regards,

Mario

[Aaron]

caps and high voltage

Hi Mario,

These caps seem pretty hardy and I haven't had any perceivable problems with them. John has used caps around the same voltages I think and with quite a bit higher capacitance.

[splocal]

Finally Im in.

Been trying to get in for weeks to post but had some strange problem that also strangly corrected itself. very strange! anyways I have been reading many of the discussions regarding the bedini motors here and thanks to all of you especially you aron for the simplified SG schematic I have succesfully replicated my first SG single coil. Well I havent yet tuned my SG but was thinking of using the cap circuit which was given in the free energy book by John. Or maybe I need to master my first creation before moving on.n What do you think?

[ren]

welcome. I would recommend replicating a ssg circuit and studying its charging capabilities on some new batteries to get some experience. If you get a feel for the basics then you will have a better understanding of the more advanced setups and are less likely to make mistakes. If unlike me, you're an electrical genius then dive right in! I have already learnt so much from the ssg circuit, and it is proving to be a stable platform from which to advance from.

Good luck!

[terence123]

Hi All. I'm running a 555 on my circuit. On my scope I see the signal over the cap rise to 120V (4.7 micro-farad). The voltage over the battery (4Ah) during charge rises to 16V.

question: when you people report about the voltage over the cap, do you use an oscilloscope or DVM (or analog meter)? And if DVM, (digital volt meter), is it true rms?

I'm confused now, because Aaron saying that it is good just to charge 2V over the battery voltage...

[Aaron]

2 volts over battery voltage

2V over the battery is just what John told me to start with and that was 6-7 years ago. It is still a good recommendation I believe especially if you're using high capacitance discharges. I was doing 6 caps at 33,000 uf's each.

[ren]

It seems to me that there are two ways to cap dump into the battery. On one side there is a high voltage(high potential) but low current hence a 500-600v cap @ 3.3 uf or such. Then I have seen other setups, like Johns in EFTV2 and Aarons video which have a minimum voltage (usually 2 or three volts over source) but a large current capacity, 100,000 uf plus, maybe even Farads. Id be interested to see if anyone has experimented with both as I am hesitant to spend big bucks on large capacitors if a small one but larger potential will achieve the same result.

[terence123]

so this 2V over battery-voltage, is measured with dvm straight on the battery poles during charging?

[splocal]

Thanx for the advice

welcome. I would recommend replicating a ssg circuit and studying its charging capabilities on some new batteries to get some experience. If you get a feel for the basics then you will have a better understanding of the more advanced setups and are less likely to make mistakes. If unlike me, you're an electrical genius then dive right in! I have already learnt so much from the ssg circuit, and it is proving to be a stable platform from which to advance from.

Good luck!

Thanx for the advice Ren, definatly not an electrical genius, I will keep charging, and documenting. I know their is more to learn then what is obvious, Just get anxious sometimes. Need to walk befor I run though.

[ren]

thats the spirit splocal. I know how you feel. A part of me is yelling out to wind ten huge coils and make a 20ft, half ton rotor! Maybe its a good thing that I cant afford that kind of wire at the moment.

There are many different variations you can attempt too. I got a little window motor up and running on the Bedini/Cole circuit the other day, which was rather satisfying. The circuit is a little more complex and it took me a few go's to get it. You can have a few projects on the side, and perhaps start collecting things for a cap pulser setup and constructing bit by bit. The best work I've done so far, is the work I have forced myself to be patient with.

[Aaron]

2 volts over and high vs. low capacitance

The 2 v over battery from the caps is a direct reading attached to the capacitors so I would have to say it is very accurate. Capacitors take out a lot of the pulsing questionability I believe.

I have used high voltage caps with low capacitance as low as 1uf and even as low as 0.1uf and 0.01uf. With these, yes the battery voltage goes up but it is TOOOOOO radiant meaning not enough current is moving the lead ions and it becomes just a fluffy electrostatic charge and not a real charge. Even though we are wanting to charge with voltage potential, there is still a voltage-potential:current ratio that we want to be idea. Too must potential and not enough current is bad...too much current and it is just a hot charge. We want the bare minimum amount of current to get the battery in real charging mode and that doesn't happen if using super low capacitance and high voltage (from my personal hands on experience).

[splocal]

Capacitors and voltage with the SSG

So how would you be able to trigger a capacitor to discharge using a neon bulb? If your cap is only 2V above you 12V batt so lets say 15V cap cause I cant find a 14V one. But your neon bulb is rated at 60V-120V wouldn’t your cap just get real hot because it would never get up to the voltage required to jump the gap in the bulb essentially destroying your cap! And whats the purpose of the SCR is the SCR going to the batt or is it on the SGG side? Iam not as electronically smart as much as most of you. An SCR is basically a diode with a set voltage trigger right? So would that be placed just before the bulb to prevent any Voltage form reversing back to the cap. Iam looking at purchasing a 180000 uf 15V cap but not sure how to oscillate it with the neon bulb any help appreciated!