Bedini SG

[theremart]

Hi,

I just found in the morning, my digital AVO meter reading different value (lower) so I guess my previous post incorrect with voltage reading.

But for increasing on charging are correct...I'm sure that double (faster) than using 12-12 batt system...

would be interesting try 12 - 36 batt system and see the result..
Please advice me on this.

Sorry for the mistaken...


Selamatg

My advice get out while you still can this is a ADDICTIVE habbit

But it is too late for me. What I do is purchase about 30 of these transistors at a time since they are $1.00 each. I normally burn out about 5 a month from stupid mistakes. Since I have put case covers on my projects soldered and put electrical tape on all of my connections this rate has gone to about 3 per month because I try all sorts of combinations so with experimentation you are more likely to burn something. I found out that John Bedini burn MANY a transistor building his super monopole from reading material from the sites.

Here are some tips.

1. If ANY of your circuits are getting hot you have done something wrong. turn it off and check the wiring, or put more copper on the spools ( my mistake test the ohms of the coils). The coils need to match one another.

2. It is best to let the batteries do their thing and not play with them the longer they stay on the charger the better. There seems to be a "momentum of charge" that if you take the batteries off the charger, then they have to build back up to that level again.

3. If you are moving up in voltage move up the watts on your resistors / pots
You can save $ for resistors if you tear apart old TV's and look for the larger resistors then use your ohm meter to find the ones you need..








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[selamatg]

My advice get out while you still can this is a ADDICTIVE habbit

But it is too late for me. What I do is purchase about 30 of these transistors at a time since they are $1.00 each. I normally burn out about 5 a month from stupid mistakes. Since I have put case covers on my projects soldered and put electrical tape on all of my connections this rate has gone to about 3 per month because I try all sorts of combinations so with experimentation you are more likely to burn something. I found out that John Bedini burn MANY a transistor building his super monopole from reading material from the sites.

Here are some tips.

1. If ANY of your circuits are getting hot you have done something wrong. turn it off and check the wiring, or put more copper on the spools ( my mistake test the ohms of the coils). The coils need to match one another.

2. It is best to let the batteries do their thing and not play with them the longer they stay on the charger the better. There seems to be a "momentum of charge" that if you take the batteries off the charger, then they have to build back up to that level again.

3. If you are moving up in voltage move up the watts on your resistors / pots
You can save $ for resistors if you tear apart old TV's and look for the larger resistors then use your ohm meter to find the ones you need..

Mart,
Thanks for your advice and tips....
Appreciate that...

So far I get improvement in result for a few change...
I have burn about 5 Pots and 3 resistor already for the last 1 month...
Like you said..If I found something wrong ..I just off the device then back to the previous setup and try finding something else...

I like to thanks to everyone who help me on this my first project playing with magnet and electronic...


Best regrads,

Selamatg

[MGC]

Hi Mart,

I came across an interesting result on my SSG when I connected the charging battery's ground side to the power battery's ground side (instead of the positive side).

The voltage on the charging battery increased very rapidly and the load test ran twice as long as it used to with no measurable change in input current.

Have you tried this config before ?


Cheers,
Mike

[theremart]

RE: testing... results.

Hi Mart,

I came across an interesting result on my SSG when I connected the charging battery's ground side to the power battery's ground side (instead of the positive side).

The voltage on the charging battery increased very rapidly and the load test ran twice as long as it used to with no measurable change in input current.

Have you tried this config before ?


Cheers,
Mike

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Hi Mike,

Wow... I like your results. No I have not tried that, because I have heard that is taboo with radiant energy. I have broken many taboo laws of using the SSG, but I am finding there are reason for each of the methods.

I am starting to think that the object of John Bedini charging method is to produce batteries that have the "negative resistor" meaning they accept charge and hold charge for long durations of time. To do this you have to create the conditions for which the chemical reaction inside the battery are ideal for this.

I did just today watched a video of someone who did put voltage back to the primary battery with the output from the generator coils. They put it back to the charging battery and had increased rotor speed and longer duration of charging.

Now the voltage may of increased very rapidly because you maybe pulling voltage directly from the primary battery thus you have a "Jumper cable" effect. ( I am guessing about this ) You may of had direct energy transfer from the primary battery.

I have done this myself with my golf cart batteries is fully charge one of my standard batteries up to about 13 - 15V then I hook it up directly to the other Golf cart batteries and let them set for a few hours. I do this when I get to a point with a battery it just does not want to accept charge, I have had it on the SSG for hours and hours, and the voltage does not move.

If you look at Rick's schematic for the School Boy motor ( Self runner ) I think you will find this thought out in a very reasonable way. Rick disconnects the primary battery from the circuit for a short time and then allows it to get a blast from a charged capacitor.

I am trying to figure out the best way to optimize my auto battery switcher, and I think I have figured out how to incorporate what Rick said about it. He said that the battery should get some time to rest to regain its own charge before jumping to the charge stage and join with the other batteries.

My idea is to add another relay DPDT to the curcuit that would allow for the Pic to tell it to shut off that battery from the curcuit after it had completed charging for an hour. Thus one could let the charged battery pull it's own voltage up before charging again.

I find it amazing what small changes can do for improvement. Yesterday I was going for my normal walk and I found an HP scanner tossed out into the trash, I grabbed it and tore it apart, inside I found a long shaft. It just so happens that it fits PERFECTLY into my rollerskate bearings I am using on my wheels. I lost a 1/16 gap from the old shaft. The rotation is now up from 1000 RPM to over 1200 RPM at 1 AMP.

Anyhow... I would be interested to find out when you make this connection what the voltage of the primary battery does.

Mart

[MGC]

Hi Mart,

I also thought the battery must be draining quicker since the outbound current to the battery was about doubled as well.
I haven't seen any odd behavior on the input side yet but I will run more tests and post the results.
If anyone has tried this already and can prevent me from ruining my batteries, I will appreciate it


Here's some summary data to get started ...

[Test / Specs]
12" plastic wheel rotor w/ 10 magnets.
One quad-filar coil, 150' of 24awg
Master - slave config
2-hour charging, one hour resting
Discharge through 50 ohm resistor (~ .252mA)
Power source: 2x22Ah batteries in parallel or 12.2v regulated powersupply

With standard config
[Input] .245mA @ 305 rpms, output is 72mA to 7Ah chg battery, 13.01v final
[Load] 12.81v to 12.4v : 36 mins

With non-standard config
[Input] .245mA @ 254 rpms, output is 145mA to same. 13.22v final
[Load] 12.92v to 12.4v : 68 mins.


I did run two other types of tests :
(1) One - hour test : using a regulated power supply, charge the 7Ah for one hour.
Results : Although the charging time was cut in half, the terminal voltage was .06 higher and the load time performance was comparable to the two hour test.

(2) Battery Swapping - Try to isolate the energy impact.
Run alternate config using parallel batteries on the front end, 7Ah on the back end.
Swap batteries and restore to original config. Run SSG on the 7Ah "supercharged" battery.
Because the input draw of the SSG is similar to the 50 ohm resistor I do load testing with,
I figured if the powering battery were draining in an unusual way that the ammeter didn't see, the duration of the test would be affected.
The load times were within minutes of each other.
However, it probably is draining faster considering this is a pulse motor and the duty cycle is < 100%.



Mart, thanks for your reply and nice job on the battery swapper!



Thanks again,
Mike

[gmeat]

Hi Everyone,

Has anyone noticed a corrosion buildup on they're negative terminals of the battery? .I noticed this on one of my battery banks that this white powdery buildup was starting to form on the cable end where it connects to the terminal,I use these cables to connect three batteries in paralell to run tests and charge them with the renaissance charger.I've seen this in my car at the positive terminal as i'm sure everyone else has too but WHY at the negative side?.Any thoughts


-Gary

[gmeat]

4 pulses

Hi Everyone,


I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .


YouTube - Bedini SSG 4 pulse motor


-Gary

[theremart]

Hi Everyone,


I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .


YouTube - Bedini SSG 4 pulse motor


-Gary

So you have found that 1 pulse is better? I have done this but as of yet I have not done a test to find which charges the battery better.

[Sephiroth]

I just got done doing a load test comparing the normal SSG 1 pulse as compared to 4 pulses and 4 wins .So Sep and SMW thx for showing me the neat trick with the LED and trigger choke .

That's very interesting gary... I see your pulses are fairly well seperated too.

Would you mind posting the results of the load tests?

[gmeat]

No problem

That's very interesting gary... I see your pulses are fairly well seperated too.

Would you mind posting the results of the load tests?

Hi Sep,


I'm not sure how to download the graph and its in .MAS format so I'll need some help doing that,The particular battery that I use for comparisons is a 340cca auto zone battery that I know is not that good (I think)But I know the characteristics of the battery and prefer to run tests on older stuff instead of ruining newer batteries.This battery after being charged on the Renaissance charger will run down to around 12.20 volts in approximately 40 minutes at 1.8 amp load and then drop like a rock to the low to mid 9 volt range and bounce back up to mid 10 range after that, Kinda weird aye.Well to make a short story even longer I terminate the tests at that drop out range of 12.20 and look at how many minutes it took running a 1.8 amp lightbulb.The first test I did was a single pulse at 270 milliamps and charged the battery up overnight for 9.5 hours and woke up to find the amps went up overnight to 600 milliamps by the morning,Anyways I waited 1 hour rest period and ran the load for 33 minutes till the battery dropped out at 12.20 then waited 10 minutes and started charging with 4 pulses with the addition of the trigger choke at 270 milliamps and terminated the charge at 7.25 hours because I remembered Aaron saying that you'll notice the battery go up in voltage as it charges and then begin to drop and you'll know it has reached its peak charge state( I think he's right).So I repeated the 1 hour rest period and ran the same load for 37 minutes till it dropped out at 12.20.Now this is only 2 load tests so far and I'll do more in the near future on my new batteries so as to get a more solid result but this looks promising to me anyways especially since its on par with the Renaissance.Thanks to all for sharing and God Bless


-Gary

[Runnningrage]

Up running finally

Hey guys i finish working out the bug in the ssg but i want to develope the motor torque . i know you guys are about charging rate but if can bring more physical power out of ssg motor maybe it will blow up on the internet before mythbuster get it it I thinking place magnet at an against next to the motor to see if the repelling power of the same pole will add torque to the motor.

[theremart]

RE: More torque...

I think there is a way to get more torque out of the SSG...


1. Take the Pendulum swing of the Bedini like Tic Tock....

2. Hook it up to this device.

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovi


3. Many times the energy in mechanical force.

[theremart]

This battery after being charged on the Renaissance charger will run down to around 12.20 volts in approximately 40 minutes at 1.8 amp load and then drop like a rock to the low to mid 9 volt range and bounce back up to mid 10 range after that, Kinda weird aye.Well to make a short story even longer I terminate the tests at that drop out range of 12.20 and look at how many

-Gary

Hi Gary,

I wanted to ask you what did you think of the Renaissance charger, how do you like it?

Mart

[gmeat]

Hi Gary,

I wanted to ask you what did you think of the Renaissance charger, how do you like it?

Mart

Hi Mart,

Ok, Let me start by saying any SSG that I have built to date (only 3 lol)Does'nt perform like the Renaissance does (I sure would like to have a peek inside that little black box but John has made it so you have to destroy it to get it opened ).I have noticed that my batteries are becoming more energy dense.If you recall in an earlier post I mentioned that I had 3 cheap 275cca walmart tractor batteries that i have hooked up in paralell that I said went up in standing voltage from 12.84 to 12.95 in one night?,Well the night before that i hit them for a couple hours with an 8 pulse charge at about 1.2 amps on the SSG and than threw them on the Renaissance and they went to 12.95 the next day standing voltage so I'm not really sure if it was the SSG or the little black box that caused this.Since then these 3 batteries stand at 12.93 after a renaissance session.When I bought these batteries new the highest voltage was 12.71 and lowest was 12.68 volts.Also I have a Power Sonic sealed lead acid 28AH battery that I know is about 15 years old that over the years lost basically all voltage from it that happily sits at 13.35 volts today and is hands down the best battery I have and I have done load tests with it and lets just say that battery has me scratching my head.Also one other 425cca tractor battery is happily sitting at 13.10v today and performs close to the Power sonic.So to sum it up,I bought the charger to support John and Tom's great work which I strongly believe in and really cant thank them enough.Hmmm,I wonder if I had an inverter what Could I do ,Dont get any ideas Mart .The bottom line is I would recommend anyone experimenting with the SSG's to buy this so at least they'll have a better idea of comparing the two chargers.Hope this helps .


-Gary

[Runnningrage]

Mmm...might work

I think there is a way to get more torque out of the SSG...


1. Take the Pendulum swing of the Bedini like Tic Tock....

2. Hook it up to this device.

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovi


3. Many times the energy in mechanical force.

So do you think i should connect Velijko Mikovic design to the ssg like a piston that going to taking some serious finding the part kind of challenge Does anyone else has a suggestion