Bedini SG

[SkyWatcher]

Hi patrick, thanks for the reply and info.
So what capacitor dump circuit are you using, thanks.
Also, the way your charging the 6 volt input battery, integrating it with another 6 volt in series with it in your ssg video is a good idea, since the motor will not be bogged down as much, if at all with that setup. Did not think of ever doing that.
Clever method, wonder how that will work with solid state.
It appears that your setup is self sustaining when swapping the series input batteries back and forth, am I observing this correctly.
peace love light
tyson
edit: or are you using a triac for the cap dump.

[minoly]

Hi patrick, thanks for the reply and info.
So what capacitor dump circuit are you using, thanks.
Also, the way your charging the 6 volt input battery, integrating it with another 6 volt in series with it in your ssg video is a good idea, since the motor will not be bogged down as much, if at all with that setup. Did not think of ever doing that.
Clever method, wonder how that will work with solid state.
It appears that your setup is self sustaining when swapping the series input batteries back and forth, am I observing this correctly.
peace love light
tyson
edit: or are you using a triac for the cap dump.

Hi Tyson,
my post was not clear, I am using exactly the Esaki phenomena you show in your vid.

the alternator(or SSG) charges the capacitor until the voltage becomes large enough to get the emitter-base junction to avalanche. Those are PNP transistors you see in the vid. It is kind of like a comparator ckt, it monitors the differential of source and load, then dumps accordingly. different transistors behave differently.
here is another link:
A Negative Differential Resistance Oscillator with a Negistor
It should work fine with solid state, I have it running with the Doc's SEC - LED's lighting while a wireless L3 coil fills up a cap then this Negistor dumps to a charge battery. still trying to get the knack of the doc's capacitance, that SEC is a tricky beast, I can't tell heads from tails when I'm working with it. I don't have the correct equipment so I'm taking a break from it.

Patrick

[SkyWatcher]

Hi patrick, thanks for reply and info.
Yes I watched your video again and did see the base leg left out and what looks like one resistor, so yes negistor your using as you say, thanks.
Going to setup up a negistor cap dump for my solid state.
In the meantime, I hooked up another 12 volt battery in series with my primary 12 volt running my solid state oscillator, kind of how you have your 4700uf cap dumping into primary series. Though I have to use an extra diode of negative flyback to prevent short circuit, though I notice that if I connect the positive diode flyback to the primary 12 volt and the negative diode flyback to the passive 12 volt in the series primary, the passive 12 volt does not charge.
Though if I connect the positive flyback diode to the positive pole of the passive 12 volt input series battery, then that 12 volt charges great.
Not sure right now why that is, though I'm not using cap dump yet in those tests.
It looked like in the video your series primary batteries total voltage was gaining a net gain, or am i not observing correctly.
So then as you say, you could just swap those two front 6 volts and it should go for along time, i think.
peace love light
tyson

[redrichie]

Minoly,
So if impedance matching is where it is at, and as you have shown the impedance of charge battery must match imp of coil to get a quick but solid charge rate. then once you have matched the imp nicely on the charge end it appears your primary run battery starts to be able to charge faster than it is depleted because the back end batterys impedance has lowered making it less of a drag to the system. How do you use it?
Do you have a multi battery system and only discharge the battery down very slightly to keep its impedance low? That way when it goes back on charge it is able to charge faster and keep the primary topped off without draining it too long where it cant recover in the time it takes to charge the back end?
congratulations on your system. it is something to behold. ive watched it a few times now. I belive I see the back charged up and the front voltage rising. gaining more voltage than it is using in the system. Is that a correct statement?
I dont believe there is but one or 2 people on the forum that has worked as hard as you on the Bedini technology and your persistance shows.

[minoly]

You guys pretty much sum it up. the work comes in w/ balancing everything to get the most out of it. also remembering when you slow an SSG slightly the amp draw goes down and charging goes up slightly so all these must be in balance. C20 on the primary is a must or you will drop out of tune quickly etc... all the basic BM2 stuff. and yes, the front end climbs - I did not have enough meters to show both 6V's on the front - one goes down while the other goes up. I need to put a 555 flip flop on there. If I walk away from it too long, the 6V under load will go down too fast. If I stand there and switch them every few minutes, I can charge the back end without much if any loss to the front, the neos on there are 1inch x 1/2inch rounds - this makes the alternator popping to the front work.
Thanks for checking it out.
Patrick

[Guruji]

self charging

Did anyone try the SSG to self charge?
Thanks.

[blackchisel97]

Did anyone try the SSG to self charge?
Thanks.

Yes. One thing you have to remember; you cannot close the loop. If I can use comparison to snatching piece of cake from the table It is good idea to turn the light off so no one can see it. Similar principle here. Circuit cannot "see" this operation. In other words, you can collect the charge (in capacitor) and pulse back to the primary battery but this has to be done when the primary is disconnected. It has to be timed well and I would suggest using converted negative (bridge rectifier on the output not just a diode). Mysterious S1 switch on many drawing by John Bedini is not for powering system on and off but to be closed for very short time in the right moment. When the power is disconnected from the input collected charge can be pulsed over the primary source without causing too much confusion among ions. Same idea can be used with window motor. Collected charge can be used to pulse secondary or primary battery. Bipolar switch can be used for SSG and window motor.

V

[Guruji]

SSG Self Charge

Yes. One thing you have to remember; you cannot close the loop. If I can use comparison to snatching piece of cake from the table It is good idea to turn the light off so no one can see it. Similar principle here. Circuit cannot "see" this operation. In other words, you can collect the charge (in capacitor) and pulse back to the primary battery but this has to be done when the primary is disconnected. It has to be timed well and I would suggest using converted negative (bridge rectifier on the output not just a diode). Mysterious S1 switch on many drawing by John Bedini is not for powering system on and off but to be closed for very short time in the right moment. When the power is disconnected from the input collected charge can be pulsed over the primary source without causing too much confusion among ions. Same idea can be used with window motor. Collected charge can be used to pulse secondary or primary battery. Bipolar switch can be used for SSG and window motor.

V

So can this be done automatic with a small circuit switching?
Thanks for response.

[mbrownn]

Did anyone try the SSG to self charge?
Thanks.

I have a circuit for this but you need to use the power of the wheel to charge the source.

As blackchisel97 says you cant close the loop but you can use this power to contribute to running the motor in a resonant circuit so that the input from the source is reduced. In effect you are running the motor using the power needed for the losses.

In an SSG the motoring is around 25% efficient and the recovery is 85+% efficient. Do the math.

[Guruji]

SS

I have a circuit for this but you need to use the power of the wheel to charge the source.

As blackchisel97 says you cant close the loop but you can use this power to contribute to running the motor in a resonant circuit so that the input from the source is reduced. In effect you are running the motor using the power needed for the losses.

In an SSG the motoring is around 25% efficient and the recovery is 85+% efficient. Do the math.

Sorry guys mine is Solid State. Can this be done with another small circuit maybe. I once saw a circuit with a neon that when the cap is filled is flushed through a mosfet; maybe if this is modified would work.
Any ideas?
Thanks

[allen_okc]

Hello my name is Allen - i know this isnt the right thread to introduce myself so forgive me...

im a fabricator of electric motorcycles - at present ive built a 72 volt chopper out of a 1985 honda shadow...

my battery configuration is LiFePo4 Headway cells "24S3P", 8ah each

my motor is a 72 volt Mars Motor 9hp...

my controller is 72 volt Alltrax 300 amp...

lighting system LED except for the HD4 headlight all running off a seperate 12 volt battering using the LiFePo4 again...

at present im looking for a way to charge my battery pack while riding and stopped at a red light, with a attempt to extend the range of the 72 volt battery pack...

Thats what im trying to learn here and i need your help - so any ideals or advice would be greatly appreciated...

Thank You...

This is a link to youtube of the bike at present;

72 volt chopper light test - YouTube

72 Volt Chopper - YouTube

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[SkyWatcher]

Hi allen, This may not be practical for your setup, though I have seen patents or designs of cars, bicycles that use air ducts leading to an air turbine generator.
If it could be made so as to not be cumbersome, it would help recharge your batteries on the move.
I know it may sound like it would only slow the bike down, though I don't think it would nearly as much as some may think and then you have the power generated and the air flow continuing behind the bike.
Otherwise, not sure if the motor your using can somehow be wired to recover any of its collapsing field pulses, it would have to be brush-less for that.
Hope that helps at all.
peace love light
tyson

[allen_okc]

Thank You Skywatcher, i appreciate your help - yeah my PM motor is a brushed motor. not the best of choices but it was more affordable...

controller and motor for the brushless with the kind of horsepower i need are very expensive...

turbine is not out of the question, actually a pretty good out of the box ideal...

it seems to me that a turbine could also help boost performance, sort of a air propelled push, i will definitely check into that one...

my ideal is to produce a generator that would individually charge the individual 3.2 volt cells. using i what im thinking of multiple capacitor storage then dumping their charge to the cells individually like a pulse... is this possible?

im not looking to come up with locomotion, but to get a few more miles of range before i need to charge the pack again...

easily done with a on board gasoline generator "hybrid", but my point is to break away from gasoline "combustion fuels" altogether - so that leaves me with trying to come up with ways of thinking outside of the box...

my lack of electronics knowledge cripples me...

[allen_okc]

also i need to use a BMS "Battery Management System",which could be powered by the separate 12 volt battery pack, so very little drain there...

of course the LiFePo4 battery cells have to be carefully monitored, not to let them drop to far below or to high in voltage, or severe damage with severe results will occur to the battery and motorcycle...

im very good at assembly of components, but not creating them...

if any one can come up with a diagram or construct this generator, i will definitely be willing to pay for it, and you will have come up with a solution that many more EV hobbyist's will be willing to pay for...

im not a salesmen or business man, im just a guy who is tired of big oils bull #@$&... and there are many of us who feel the same...

otherwise i feel good about myself breaking away from the fossil big oil trap, my bike will be solar and windmill charged while at work and or home, and if need be on occasion by a AC outlet...

[allen_okc]

forgive me for sounding desperate, but ive exhausted all ideals of trying to figure this out, now im hoping others can help...