COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[gotoluc]

@Witsend,

My contribution so far has been using time and money to make PCBs
for the circuit. I guess Luc still has some left?

My time is limited and I can't promise any extensive testing. The Tektronix o-scope is way out of my reach. It costs in excess of 100.000,- NOK.

Alex (Groundloop)

Hi Alex and all,

still have many of the boards left so don't be shy just email me your address at: [email protected] to receive your FREE board.

Keep up all the great work

Luc

[witsend]

FUZZY I held back comment so that I could do some numbers on your data dumps. You've excelled here. It intrigues me that the waveform - oscillations and harmonics seem to vary throughout the test period. But all variations seem to point to extraordinary gains. Frankly I want Harvey to confirm the values and post the official results from this. Do not trust my talents and nor have I managed to open all the files.

I notice that your resistor is again hung? I get it that this is preferred as there is less evident rf. MH may very well feel vindicated here - lol. In which case we will likely get another slew of posts.

But all I can give you is praise. The collation of this data is complex and clearly handled by the master. We are all blown away by the expertise here and truly indebted - on so many levels.

And it is indeed interesting that Stefan has reserved all comment on these results. Rather strange?

Anyway Fuzzy - this is getting repetitive but it's a repetition that I thoroughly enjoy. WELL DONE YET AGAIN. And THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Power Circuit Anislie

Hi all,

Just a little input of a circuit for power output, excuse the pun.

This is part of what I am working on and I thought that someone would like to try this.

I have been testing this and I am getting some very good results. I think that with some tuning on the pots of the 555 circuit you will be able to send charge back to the battery and power a 220v 20w bulb.

I am not using the same FET as I do not have one at the moment and the triggering circuit is different, but the basic idea will be sound for the circuit of Rosemary.

I am away for a week doing an exhibition and so I can not test more at the moment but I can light a 20w, 220v bulb to full brightness and send power back to the battery.

Will check in when I can in the next week, all keep up this very good work

Mike

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit - TEST #5

Hi everyone,

This is a repeat attempt of the results on TEST #3 with some new data which may surprise everyone but maybe not ...


The Load Prototype "Quantum" 10 ohm resistor was mounted vertical with two (2) size #5-1/2 rubber stoppers inserted in each end, elevated 3" from the desk surface.


TEST #5

Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit
"Quantum" October 2002

Replication Components -

1)
w/ Sil-Pad insulator between Mosfet and Heat Sink

2) Fairchild Semiconductor - NE555N Timer

3) Vishay Spectrol - SP534 Percision Potentiometer/ 10-turn 2-Watt

4) Exide Technologies Battery "Liquid Lead Acid" Model # GT-H - TRACTOR 12V 12Ah CCA 235

5) CSB Battery Company "Gel Lead Acid" #GP 1270 F2 / 12 Volt 7.0 Ah

6) Prototype "Quantum" Load Resister 10 ohm + - 1%

7) Shunt Resistor - "Dale" RS-2B 0.25 ohm, 3 watt, 3 %


Temperature Measurements -

Fluke 62 "mini" IR Themometer ( used maximum reading on each componenet )

Digital Mulit Meter -

Fluke 87 DMM true RMS

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Channel 1 - Mosfet source shunt
Channel 2 - Mosfet drain
Channel 3 - 555 Timer pin #3
Channel 4 - 24 VDC "Liquid" Lead Acid Battery Bank


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Glen

[Harvey]

dissipated

[Harvey]

multiplying the numerator of this factor by the number of turns while addingdecreasesfrequency is a count of how many cycles we have in a period, does the second waveform change our formula 2πfL? Or do we need to shift our definition of frequency to mean how wide the cycle itself is (dV/dt) rather than how many their are in a period?

We already understand this difference when dealing with electromagnetic wave propagation like light and radio. We quickly determine the frequency based on the wavelength of a single cycle and have developed different sorts of vernacular to describe the second example above - such as single cycle burst, burst frequency etc. We even have DTMF, dual tone multi frequency common in telephony. But for some reason, when we get into power systems where we begin thinking of current as a flow of particles, i.e. electrons, the concept gets a bit muddied.

I draw attention to this matter, because the RA circuit power is in fact a member of the second example. While the quantity of high voltage spikes may arrive at a frequency in kHz, the actual frequency of the spike is in the MHz, and that changes the calculations for inductive reactance.

[witsend]

Happenstance

Guys - here's a synchronous event that has to defy the odds. 10 years ago when I was trying to put this circuit together I knew nothing about inductance - resistance - or indeed anything much. I was looking for a resistor and simply shopped for the biggest diameter with the thickest wire that I could find. I think Harvey mentioned that this is usually his criteria for grocery shopping. Back then all I wanted to do was generate as much counter electromotive force as I could and - big seemed better.

Then the results - that crowded in around this were unarguable and widely accredited. But still - wherever it was advanced on any theoretical basis it was met with scepticism - notwithstanding the evidence which then was still demonstrable. I was entirely unable to advance the technology.

Then, on these forums the same thing. Rank scepticism - and more of it - and only small evidence of gains. Then Fuzzy made his own resistor and used the only reliable criteria available being the diameter of his resistor. The wire, the windings and the rest of it were developed on a 'best guess' basis. But his resistor seems to have cracked that elusive barrier. I am wondering if the effect needs that wide space inside the coil and somehow - hamper this - and the effect goes away.

Just a thought. If so, then it's no wonder that the benefits here have eluded detection and for so long. And then too, it would explain the rank disbelief that was the unhappy reaction to our own claims. Perhaps Fuzzy can explore a resistor with a smaller diameter and check if this can reach that same optimised performance.

[Harvey]

Looking at the possible effects of inductive impedance combined with current lag (phase angle of voltage to current):

Excel Data Analysis

I bet there is some enterprising young programmer that could build a java interface to do this , but us old farts just look at the numbers and graphs.

Cheers,

Harvey

[Harvey]

Please investigate what Otto posted in Oveunity.com thread Steven Marks secret

Seems that I was right, ground of signal generator should not be connected with battery connected to FET and heating resistor-inductor. Negative impulses are also used.

Just read this thread

Which thread? Link?

EDIT:
NM read it.

[boguslaw]

Please investigate what Otto posted in Oveunity.com thread Steven Marks secret

Seems that I was right, ground of signal generator should not be connected with battery connected to FET and heating resistor-inductor. Negative impulses are also used.

Just read this thread

[Harvey]

power , which should not matter if it is AC or DC except for the aforementioned reactance. It would be interesting to run the resistor on a straight 2.5MHz sine wave and see the thermal footprint.

We are all greatly indebted to the painstaking efforts you have put into this thus far and I for one would like you to know how much it is appreciated

One thing I want to stress here, even though we are seeing a marked increase in battery delivery power over the last test, it does not mean the system is not operating at a COP > 1. The Ohmic treatment is 65:1 and that 65 gets reduced by the phase shift and reactance - how much? I bet MH could math it out better than me

I just had an idea for a floating FET recovery switch, I need to write this down before I forget it...

[witsend]

Hi Fuzzy. So many thanks for all this hard work. I'm blown away. There seems to be a difference in the two waveforms between these two tests. Here's my take - and from a rank amateur and as best I can describe the 'harmonics' - I think is the term. The previous looks like a tower at the edge of lake with the sun rising north, north east behind the tower - which throws a long shadow of the tower into water. This last waveform? Is that the same? Harvey, someone - can you check on this? I don't know how to make a graph of the wider sample range.

EDIT I'm referring to the source shunt - blue trace?

But thank you Fuzzy. Yet again. You threatened you'd keep us busy and indeed you are. Cannot tell you how impressed we all are.

[FuzzyTomCat]

Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit - TEST #4

Hi everyone,

Here is a replication of TEST #3 with three (3) sets of images and data dumps taken seven times one set every hour for six hours plus temperature readings every 15 minutes.

The Load Prototype "Quantum" 10 ohm resistor was mounted horizontal with two (2) size #5-1/2 rubber stoppers inserted in each end, elevated 3" from the desk surface.



TEST #4

Rosemary Ainslie COP>17 Heater Circuit
"Quantum" October 2002

Replication Components -

1)
w/ Sil-Pad insulator between Mosfet and Heat Sink

2) Fairchild Semiconductor - NE555N Timer

3) Vishay Spectrol - SP534 Percision Potentiometer/ 10-turn 2-Watt

4) Exide Technologies Battery "Liquid Lead Acid" Model # GT-H - TRACTOR 12V 12Ah CCA 235

5) CSB Battery Company "Gel Lead Acid" #GP 1270 F2 / 12 Volt 7.0 Ah

6) Prototype "Quantum" Load Resister 10 ohm + - 1%

7) Shunt Resistor - "Dale" RS-2B 0.25 ohm, 3 watt, 3 %


Temperature Measurements -

Fluke 62 "mini" IR Themometer ( used maximum reading on each componenet )

Digital Mulit Meter -

Fluke 87 DMM true RMS


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Glen

[FuzzyTomCat]

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Hi Harvey,

Those two images the 40us and the 20us is part of the wave form oscillation light show from the TDS 3054C, it gets washed out some with the white screen background in the .PNG's small data file ..... much more impressive in person with the black background and I'm unable to change it, so it looks missing but no parts really are missing ....

Glen

[Harvey]

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