Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[Kokomoj0]

eric do you agree with this guys views on what tesla was trying to do? Tesla's Big Mistake?

You know I did not catch anything out of line in that read. I ma thinking it might be a good read for total laypeople who have no idea what so ever how the TC is really supposed to work.

Most people just look at the pretty sparklers.

[madhatter]

correct me if I'm wrong Eric, But I see a 'tube of toothpaste being squeezed' in that magnifier layout. I'll explain, the coil arrangement is increasing the capacitance of the dielectric and the Psi field is pushed to collect at the sphere, like an electron well. It's the edge effect being magnified, the one area not touched on and out rightly ignored by physics.

[t-rex]

@Eric

If you compress several bronze strips together (say 3) such that the total area is touching the next strip will the result be equivalent to one strip of 3x thickness or will they retain the same effect as using 3 separate strips?

This would be better if the strips were insulated, laminated like a transformer core

[t-rex]

It seems that "the long coils of popular design" have combined the secondary and the extra into one unit, while Tesla seems to say that the extra and the secondary should not be inductively coupled.

You are correct. The extra coil is series fed. Inductively coupling is at a minimum

[t-rex]

I had to read that a couple times myself.

I think he is talking about each?



Can we think of that as similar to the flat wound amature transmitter coils?

does any of that sound right?

So do I read it correctly that we want Hi Z, Low inter-winding C, because that will result in higher magnification?

I am still plugging away on a couple things in his response to me too.


So I presume that fence is a huge primary magnetizing coil, the one he is siitting under is the secondary, and the center which is that same height as the secondary I presume is the extra "tesla" coil with the sphere on top?

@Eric
is the secondary wire spacing that gets wider toward the top because of poor insulation and high voltage or is that some kind of tuning? both? From what you are saying it sounds like we would want that secondary to be close wound and also the extra tesla coil with the sphere on top to be close wound? The primary I remember you mentioned using strap bronze for good impulse response.

Maybe I should be asking what we are all looking at in that pic That sphere almost looks out of place? and the center does not look like coil but a pipe. Like the center of a transmission line?
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The fence is a single turn primary and a 22 turn secondary. Primary and secondary windings have the same weight. The size of wire used in both is 8 gauge. Obviously paralleled in the primary into one large conductor. The extra coil is wound with #10 wire. More specifically equal width to height ratio and the extra spacing on the outer turns is due to the accelerated voltage gradient. All of your odd harmonics add up at this point, and produce an enormous rise in electrostatic potential.

[madhatter]

Web000x, thanks for that confirmation, as it is what I expected. I am still amazed that this is NOT being taught in either high school physics and certainly not college/university courses.

I wonder if perhaps QEX of the ARRL might be a suitable forum for distributing this "oversight" so that more hams and engineers could become aware of the omission (purposeful or not) ??

Just a thought.

I guess it would depend on how open they are to it. I have to keep my mouth shut on the physics boards or get banned for even so much as question the status quo. Sad really, the blind would rather stay blind...paradigm shifts can be bumpy!

[Logical American]

Thanks

Web000x, thanks for that confirmation, as it is what I expected. I am still amazed that this is NOT being taught in either high school physics and certainly not college/university courses.

I wonder if perhaps QEX of the ARRL might be a suitable forum for distributing this "oversight" so that more hams and engineers could become aware of the omission (purposeful or not) ??

Just a thought.

[Web000x]

Eric:

Would you have time to explain the 2 types of voltages and 2 types of current to us?

Also, if the dielectric stores the electrical energy, then obviously it is the ether, because we do have vacuum capacitors. Why cannot people today make the inference? (as shown by the simple MIT video, wherein the metal cylinders were removed, and the glass clearly causes the voltage on the metal, when re-introduced)

I have a lot of questions that I wish to ask, but the first one is most intriguing to me (and others that I have talked to)

Thank you.

I am not Eric, but I think it goes as follows:

Voltage

1) E.M.F. as in the development of potential on the secondary winding of a transformer. (E,Weber per second)

2) Electrostatic Potential as in the dielectric energy stored in a capacitor. (e, Coulomb per Farad)

Current

1) Displacement Current as in the current that charges a capacitor. (I, Coulomb per second)

2) Conduction Current as in M.M.F. or the conventional current that flows continuously in a closed loop. (i, Weber per Henry)

On a side note, Eric is not working any real job right now. He is spending his time fixing his car and writing for the Energetic Forum. He isn't trying to do all of this for free. Everybody must eat. If he doesn't get some income soon, it is likely that we will not see him around for much longer.

Dave

[Logical American]

Hindrances to true knowledge

Kokomoj0 posts Oliver Heaviside complaining about the mindset stuck in older people who have a hard time grasping new concepts, whereas the younger generation gets it.

I think that this is a problem we all face. Once I asked the question of what does a circle in 3d space look like? It took me 2 weeks of hard thinking before I finally came up with an answer. I asked the math head at a local university what a 3d circle was, all he could do is run a symbolic algebra program and give me a 3x3 matrix full of products of sines and cosines which clearly no one could ever remember. I tried other math professors, they gave up. Finally I contacted the chief math editor of one of America's prestiguous math journals. He admitted that he too, could not describe a circle.

I realized then that original thinking is very hard and original thinkers are hard to come by. For geometry, one original person is H. M. S. Coexeter. As, as someone recently said, and I paraphrase (and agree) "all the rest are parrots"

Yes, too true. And attitude is a key here.

I am hoping that we all can be patient. I did come here to learn.

Thank you.

[Logical American]

Question for Eric

Eric:

Would you have time to explain the 2 types of voltages and 2 types of current to us?

Also, if the dielectric stores the electrical energy, then obviously it is the ether, because we do have vacuum capacitors. Why cannot people today make the inference? (as shown by the simple MIT video, wherein the metal cylinders were removed, and the glass clearly causes the voltage on the metal, when re-introduced)

I have a lot of questions that I wish to ask, but the first one is most intriguing to me (and others that I have talked to)

Thank you.

[Aether84]

Eric Dollard

The oscillating current transformer

eric do you agree with this guys views on what tesla was trying to do? Tesla's Big Mistake?

[everyidea]

The following is from the Steinmetz book Theory and Calculation of Transient Electrical Phenomena.

If someone could locate the paper that would be helpful:
Abnormal Voltages In Transformers. J.M. Weed. American Institute of Electrical Engineers. September 1915, p 2157

Here's the link:
Transactions - American Institute of Electrical Engineers - Google Books

My best to you,

rw

[Kokomoj0]

@Eric

If you compress several bronze strips together (say 3) such that the total area is touching the next strip will the result be equivalent to one strip of 3x thickness or will they retain the same effect as using 3 separate strips?

[t-rex]

The following is from the Steinmetz book Theory and Calculation of Transient Electrical Phenomena.

If someone could locate the paper that would be helpful:
Abnormal Voltages In Transformers. J.M. Weed. American Institute of Electrical Engineers. September 1915, p 2157

[t-rex]

Electrical Oscillations in Induction Coils

The following quote is from John M. Miller in Further Discussion on Electrical Oscillations in Antennaes and Induction Coils

"When applying the theory of uniform lines to coils I think a very large error is made at once, which vitiates, very largely any conclusions reached .The L and C of the coil, per centimeter length, are by no means uniform, a neccessary condition in the theory of uniform lines; in a long solenoid the L per centimeter near the center of the coil is nearly twice as great as the L per centimeter at the ends, a fact which follows from elementary theory, and one which has been verified in our laboratory by measuring the wave length of a high frequency wave traveling along such a solenoid. The wave length is much shorter in the center in the center of the coil than it is near the ends. What the capacity per centimeter of a solenoid is has never been measured, I think, but it is undoubtedly greater in the center of the coil than near the ends."