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i posted this link a few years ago and still know nothing more than i did back then. can anyone help me test this concept
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The ideas at that link are all just guesswork and mixing info from multiple unrelated sources.Originally posted by tturner View Post
Read the patent on Tesla's radiant energy collector US Patent 685,957. In it he says, "It is very important, particularly in view of the fact that electrical energy is generally supplied at a very slow rate to the condenser..."
Which means his device accumulates the energy slowly and then may use the accumulated energy. If the rate of consumption, i.e. powering a motor, is faster than the rate of accumulation the consumption must halt while the energy is again accumulated.
Tesla Patent 685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy
Tesla's car was not powered by radiant energy. IMO, the antenna on the car was a red herring to draw attention away from the real power source. Note the story told about his firing a secretary for mentioning the car to someone. This was after his laboratory in NY City was burned and he became quite secretive. So attaching an antenna to the car as a distraction makes perfect sense and seems to still be effective today.
Moray did something similar but note that he used a wire antenna, not an insulated plate. If I remember correctly it was +160' feet long. That's not going to work on a car and his device only lit resistive loads so it wouldn't work on a motor that is an inductive load. Also note that his "valves" or vacuum tubes, as they were later known, contained radioactive materials which can, indeed, supply more power output than is input but eventually wear out when the radioactive material decays from use. The initial electrical stimulation came from the antenna and was magnified by a series of tubes to light the bulbs. I don't remember the total number of bulbs he could light but it wasn't enough power to run a 80 HP motor even if it could have been made to work with inductive loads.
The next thing is that post that caught my attention was the "splitting the positive" phrase. That was no more than a marketing slogan used by E. V. Gray to get peoples' attention. There's nothing about "splitting the positive" that enhances energy production or utilization. It just creates a voltage offset - in the given example 9 volts. Thinking of voltage as pressure in a water pipe, put 12PSI in one end and 3 PSI in the other and what will you get? All wet. E. V. Gray wasn't an engineer or scientist. He was a salesman. Some say a conman. People today have located some of his motors and they don't do anything unusual.
So the info at the link you posted is just a mishmash of ideas. You'll notice Rebus57 hasn't posted any followup in almost 4 years.
Go back to soundiceuk's post about the radioactive primary battery. That's pretty close but the details will likely never be determined since radioactive materials are so tightly controlled now.
To understand Tesla's work you must first understand the times in which he lived. Here's an example related to the car: the car was said to be a 1931 Pierce Arrow. In 1931 there were no controls on radioactive materials. The government controls were initiated after the nuclear bombs detonated in 1945 proved that radioactive materials could be weaponized. IMO, that's what the MIB that supposedly harassed Dr. Moray in the early 1950's were concerned with. But in Tesla's day no such problems existed.
You might find this interesting: GM built a sort of nuclear powered concept car based on thorium. Cool looking car. I'd like to have one with any kind of motor in it.
Cadillac’s World Thorium Fuel Concept
Also see NAS panel 'misled the world' when adopting radiation exposure guidelines
And to wrap it up, consider the statement that the Tesla's Pierce Arrow car could power a home when not in use as transportation. Then research RTG's (Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator). They've been in use since the 60's and are what is powering the Voyager space probes that are just now reaching the edge of the solar system having been in flight for almost 40 years with zero down time and zero maintenance. The USSR used RTG's to power lighthouses around the Artic circle that were only accessible for a few months a year but needed to be operable year round.Last edited by thx1138; 05-24-2014, 11:38 PM.Comment
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Another story about Tesla but not from Tesla.
Everybody asks "how could he have done this?". Why doesn't anyone ask "did he do this?".
Several newspapers reported this?Mr. Tesla got into the driver's seat, pushed the two rods in and stated, "We now have power". He put the car into gear and it moved forward! This vehicle, powered by an A.C. motor, was driven to speeds of 90 m.p.h. and performed better than any internal combustion engine of its day! One week was spent testing the vehicle. Several newspapers in Buffalo reported this test. When asked where the power came from, Tesla replied, "From the ethers all around us". Several people suggested that Tesla was mad and somehow in league with sinister forces of the universe. He became incensed, removed his mysterious box from the vehicle and returned to his laboratory in New York City. His secret died with him!
Get me one copy!
Just one...
Buffalo NY, 1931.... Should not be so difficult...
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Look at how ferrite rods are used to change the inductance of tank circuits consisting of an air core coil and cap. You slide the rod in until the point of desired inductance is achieved. Doc Stiffler was doing this with his early SEC units; TinselKoala used it with his electrosmog harvester unit.
Once you have an oscillation, I think you have the key to accessing the power of the aether. The rest is in the design of what follows from that initial oscillation.
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True, Bob.
Now get me a newspaper copy.
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Hmm.... sold out?Originally posted by Ernst View PostTrue, Bob.
Now get me a newspaper copy.
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doh it must be me ! There are two types of distance transmission radio and wireless, it is also no coincidence that there are two types of resonance to wit series and parallel one applies to each system.
It is also no coincidence there are two wave structures … harmonics and overtones again one applies to each system.
The one system (radio) we all know a little about and don't the jack asses just love to strut their stuff ! Endless crap about ohms law and power in and power out …even so few know anything of peak envelope power or demodulation and that’s just the Radio system about which endless books have been allowed to be written and printed.
The electrostatic wireless system of Tesla using the opposite resonance and huge ground currents .. There are no books in print.
The very bare minimum of information is allowed into the public domain and even then on a 'need to know' basis directed at various trade groups.
Even then the language is corrupted as the information is directed at each group …. That there is obviously another option for transmission and reception available, That the system was designed and used by Tesla and that information and science is not available should alert you to the distinct possibility that his car possibly converted and ran on huge ground current AKA magnetic current as his wireless system did .
Defending his wireless system in court over many years Tesla stated time and again to deaf ears “wireless is not an electromagnetic system” In that Era the courts and officials had been bribed and controlled, specifically it seems by interference from agents of Morgan, in this era I think the control is just wanton blindness and ignorance . Kind Regards Duncan
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Aether plug
Hi all, there is an spanish inventor known between spanish free energy community , but not outside, called Honorio Perez Picasso who had very powerfull machines running on ether that he taped with paralel LC tanks tuned to some frequency.
I have direct friends who visited him and we know is not fake, he also had a van running with an electric motor powered with this energy.
We speculate there is some precise frequency into the mhz, cause are air core coils, when you tap into "The Dominant" field of energy.
Here an 27000 HP f.e. generator from this inventor
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I'm beginning to wonder whether Tesla had already set up a local wireless power station for his own experimental purposes, and simply tuned a receiver in his car to power its electric motor. Here's something I just came across in JJ O'Neil's Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla. O'Neil quotes from a statement from Tesla published in the Electrical World and Engineer, March 5, 1904 (p. 212 of the book) --
If we read Arthur Matthews' account of Tesla's temporary setup of a wireless electricity system in rural Quebec during a short vacation with friends, we can see that this might've been how he powered the car:[Meanwhile, the transmission of energy on an industrial scale is not being neglected. The Canadian Niagara Power Company have offered me a splendid inducement, and next to achieving success for the sake of the art, it will give me the greatest satisfaction to make their concession financially profitable to them. In this first power plant, which I have been designing for a long time, I propose to distribute 10,000 horsepower under a tension of 10,000,000 volts, which I am now able to produce and handle with safety.
This energy will be collected all over the globe preferably in small amounts, ranging from a fraction of one to a few horsepower. One of the chief uses will be the illumination of isolated homes. It takes very little power to light a dwelling with vacuum tubes operated by high frequency currents and in each instance a terminal a little above the roof will be sufficient. ... There are innumerable devices of all kinds which are either now employed or can be supplied and by operating them in this manner I may be able to offer a great convenience to the whole world with a plant of no more than 10,000 horsepower. The introduction of this system will give opportunities for invention and manufacture such as have never presented themselves before.
Arthur Mathews about Tesla - Nu Energy â„¢ Research Archive
Well Ernst, I still can't find that newspaper he he. But I did find a link to the above article. My quote is about two-thirds the way down the page:
Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires
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If I read Arthur Mathews story, I see that Arthur is a great source of disinfo.
Maybe he is the one that changed Tesla's autobiography in such a horrendous way.
Is there any other account of Tesla setting up a wireless plant in Quebec? Guess there is not.
On the quote you included, isn't it obvious that it is about wireless transmission? That means a transmitter is needed, not just a receiver...
I think we can put Arthur Mathews together with Gerry Vassilatos in the fantasy section...
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Hi ErnstOriginally posted by Ernst View PostIf I read Arthur Mathews story, I see that Arthur is a great source of disinfo.
Maybe he is the one that changed Tesla's autobiography in such a horrendous way.
Is there any other account of Tesla setting up a wireless plant in Quebec? Guess there is not.
On the quote you included, isn't it obvious that it is about wireless transmission? That means a transmitter is needed, not just a receiver...
I think we can put Arthur Mathews together with Gerry Vassilatos in the fantasy section...
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That's pretty much my point - that it seems more likely to me that Tesla was operating a transmitter, and that the car was simply outfitted with a receiver. Occam's razor - simplest explanation often best... but I wasn't there, and all any of us can do is conjecture. There very well may have been some kind of cosmic induction kind of goings on in the box. All we need is a pulse train to step up, and the slide-in rods could've provided a kind of variable inductance for coils in the magic box. That said, I'm leaning toward the leaning tower of Tesla somewhere.
Yeah, Arthur Matthews - who knows... They say that 80 percent of intelligence work today is actually in the form of disinformation in the print and electronic media.
But you know, if this stuff gets us to think outside the box and dream a little, and perhaps work together toward the realization of these kinds of dreams, why not?
I guess I'll give up on that newspaper.
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Hi Bob,
You should try my personal Occam's razor, it says that this car story is something that never happened. Lack of evidence can never be conclusive evidence, but my guess is that if this story were real, there should be at least one newspaper article that we could find.
This whole story seems to be coming from one single source and for such an amazing story that is very, very thin support....
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It is possible that Tesla kept this all a bit quiet. In the early to mid thirties, oil industry insecurities about a replacement for oil may have been a worry. Tesla may have wanted to get around for free and not be bothered by politico/economic pressures.Originally posted by Ernst View PostHi Bob,
You should try my personal Occam's razor, it says that this car story is something that never happened. Lack of evidence can never be conclusive evidence, but my guess is that if this story were real, there should be at least one newspaper article that we could find.
This whole story seems to be coming from one single source and for such an amazing story that is very, very thin support....
Ernst
Someone is seriously trying to build a scaled down version of Wardenclyffe with this expired funding project:
It is a crowd funding site. If it can be got back on track (who ever heard of it?), it would be interesting to see what we would have to specify now to use these guys gear to drive a small hatchback. Possibly they may put some of their revenues into this end of the chain.
Maybe a new funding initiative can be organised. Here is their home page:
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Yes,.... I know.... I am! : Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter: New WardenclyffeOriginally posted by wrtner View Post
(and I have the funds already)
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