Peg Motor

[blackchisel97]

Perhaps something like that, with bifilar coils?

PS Armagdn03 Thank you for sharing and starting this thread.

[rosehillworks]

Please

Yes John please show us what you are thinking.

[Armagdn03]

@Armagdn03
I don't like to use the terms Flux, lines of Flux nor lines of force but prefer a gradient of force or field gradient relating solely to field density.
Regards
AC

This is very interesting territory from what I have seen. Take for instance a coil, resonating at its fundamental. If another coil enters its space, it will have a preferred distance (which is a radius around the coil, and is different for each reciever) at which the all of the variables align to give the structure (reciever and transmitter) the highest possible Q and impedance point / field strength. At this ring around the source. Same thing happens with musical vibrations, and our planets interaction with mater (stratification of our earth and atmosphere).

I look at it like this, as soon as there is a source of movement, there is an interaction with the environment. This interaction creates field densities, which are radially decreasing in strength (inverse square) and circular in nature according to the right hand rule. As things enter this space structured by the movement of something along an axis, they want to move toward the space of equilibrium. When their density equals the density of the space they are in, they feel no force. This could be why every particle entering a field of a "transmitter" or source of movement, will try to find a place of equilibrium to it. When we put iron filings in the field of a magnet, they find their place of equilibrium, and a tube is born. lol. The whole network of linear movement surrounded by spinning sheaths of decreasing density perpendicular to the movement, with surface tensions defining each octave as they radially move away from the source.

I can see how its hard to engineer around the idea of flux we "know" it. But who can throw away the geometric structures which arise out of a field source interacting with its environment?

[erfinder]

This is very interesting territory from what I have seen. Take for instance a coil, resonating at its fundamental. If another coil enters its space, it will have a preferred distance (which is a radius around the coil, and is different for each reciever) at which the all of the variables align to give the structure (reciever and transmitter) the highest possible Q and impedance point / field strength. At this ring around the source. Same thing happens with musical vibrations, and our planets interaction with mater (stratification of our earth and atmosphere).

I look at it like this, as soon as there is a source of movement, there is an interaction with the environment. This interaction creates field densities, which are radially decreasing in strength (inverse square) and circular in nature according to the right hand rule. As things enter this space structured by the movement of something along an axis, they want to move toward the space of equilibrium. When their density equals the density of the space they are in, they feel no force. This could be why every particle entering a field of a "transmitter" or source of movement, will try to find a place of equilibrium to it. When we put iron filings in the field of a magnet, they find their place of equilibrium, and a tube is born. lol. The whole network of linear movement surrounded by spinning sheaths of decreasing density perpendicular to the movement, with surface tensions defining each octave as they radially move away from the source.

I can see how its hard to engineer around the idea of flux we "know" it. But who can throw away the geometric structures which arise out of a field source interacting with its environment?

About a year ago...possibly longer, there was a guy who visited this forum, he presented a motor/generator which when looked at closely was very similar to your peg motor. His device accelerated when the generator coils where attached to a load, or shorted. This effect was not limited to rotor speed like many devices that are popping up on the net as of late. It was a complete reversal of the lenz law as we (I) understand it. At the time of his visit, I didn't understand the significance of what he demonstrated...I have since built my own version of his device and can say that everything he showed is true..I say that to ask this.

You mentioned that to change this concept into a generator you would "suppress" the motor function. Why? What would you use as your prime mover? I'm thinking that this device could be a motor/generator where using the generator would result in acceleration of the rotor.....what are your thoughts in this regard?

If you think this is possible, how would you go about it?

Regards

[pault]

flux switching

... but I'm not going to waste my time if no one is interested in how this operates, with shorted loops.

I, too, am very interested.

I read the Bearden page you pointed to. I'm surprised that there is no Radus thread on this forum.

I did find this demo of flux switching, if anyone hasn't seen it yet:

Switching Permantent Magnet Field.wmv - YouTube

pt

[FRC]

I am getting confused here. Is not what is on Bearden's site about the space boots being employed with the gap motor here below ? Or is there something else I am missing ?

The GAP Motor-Generator.mpg - YouTube

George

[pault]

flux switch

I am getting confused here. Is not what is on Bearden's site about the space boots being employed with the gap motor here below ? Or is there something else I am missing ?

The GAP Motor-Generator.mpg - YouTube

George

I got nothing from that video. Maybe he explains the tech in some earlier video, but I see no connection to Radus boots and that motor.

The flux switch - as I currently understand it - is about a magnet in the middle, and two possible paths for the magnetic flux to flow, one to the right, the other to the left.

If the paths are perfectly balanced, the flux is balanced.

If you break one of the paths, say the left, then all of the magnetic flux flows through the remaining path, the right. Hence, the magnetic force on the (remaining) right side, is suddenly much stronger.

The tail end of that Bearden website shows a diagram of a magnet-only manifestation of this. No electrical power. A magnet and a set of keepers that guide the magnetic flux. If you pop one end off, the other end is harder to pop off.

Near the top of the page, is the "flux switch", showing how to change the flux path with coils and some current through them. If you bias (favor) the path through one leg of the switch the magnetic flux will concentrate in that leg, leaving the other leg limp.

As I (currently) see it, this is opposite to what we're taught about current flow through resistors.

If you have two unequal resistors in parallel, current will flow in each leg, inversely proportional to the resistances (less resistance = more current).

Instead, the suggestion is that magnetic flux favors the easiest path. If one path is easier than another, then ALL flux will flow through that path.

I'm still working through this in my head, but I see a simple analogy.

You're on a sandy beach with your kid, or grand-kid.

The kid has dug a small hole a few feet above sea-level, along with two perfectly equal channels from the hole to the shoreline.

He pours a bucket of water into the hole and it begins to flow down to the shoreline.

The flow - water flowing from the hole to the shoreline - is perfectly equal in proportion, because the two channels are perfectly equal.

You, being a devious grand-dad, take a small stick and scratch one of the two channels a bit deeper.

Suddenly, more water flows into the slightly-deeper channel and gouges it and makes it even more deep.

The deeper channel carries more and more water (positive feedback) and, within a short amount of time, ALL of the water from the hole is flowing through the deeper channel, and the un-touched channel dries up and nothing more flows through it.

That's the Radus boot - strengthen the magnetic channel when you want the boot to stick, weaken the channel when you want to lift the boot.

An interesting experiment would be to set up the dual path switch and to see how much electrical power is needed to make the flux switch from left to right and v.v.

EMF and MMF are FORCES. They are pushing something, some kinds of grains of sand.

(Sorry that this post is so long. Thanks for making me write it. I've learned something in the process.)

pt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi erfinder, what your thinking of may be the Dan Quale lenzless generator.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...or-design.html
peace love light
tyson

[FRC]

pault

The similarity to the gap motor is that it uses an electrical current to disable
the magnetism in a neo magnet(s) this allows the piston to move closer to the
neo, When the current is taken away the neo's magnetism returns and repulses the piston which also has a neo on it. The neo's are NN or SS. I found out about this GAP motor while searching through older threads on this forum. If you do a google search you will find more videos for this. Here is their website.

GAP Power, Magnetic Neutralization

George

[broli]

Dan Quale's Lenzless Generator is not a motor and to be honest it's not even in the same class as this peg motor. Same goes for the gap motor. Like I previously said the only motors/generators that come close to this concept are lafonte based ones.

Geared Lafonte Attraction Motor - YouTube
LaFonte Group Pseudo Solid Perpendicular Magnetics Motor - YouTube

[erfinder]

Hi folks, Hi erfinder, what your thinking of may be the Dan Quale lenzless generator.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...or-design.html
peace love light
tyson

Hi SkyWatcher..

What I am talking about is superior to the Dan Quale lenzless generator. The Dan Quale device is a "generator" only!!! After years of burning things up in the lab I have come to the realization that motors are generators, and generators are motors...this has been pointed out by a few of the good folks here. The thing to do is get the counter electromotive force in a motor to work for you instead of against you, same holds true for the generator, get the "negative torque" to work for you... The individual referenceded in my last post accomplished this task.

10Lbs and 1000 toasted transistors later, I found that there is an even better version of this device patented by John Bedini.

7,109,671 B2

The device in that patent is what I am talking about, replace the magnets in the rotor with iron slugs and you will find that you have a very interesting motor/generator.... test that and see for yourself, then and only then will you begin to understand what I'm getting at. Replacing the iron slugs with magnets as its illustrated in the patent makes things even more intersting....(note how the coil polarity will change owing to how the coils are driven, and how the polarity of the rotor and stator doesn't change...) very interesting configuration.....

I mentioned this before...this patent with the magnets left in the rotor is like a G-field generator...this embodiment of the that device has a fixed magnet attached to the stator and one which moves, versus what we see on the net with two moving magnets. If the rotor magnets are replaced with iron slugs you have something like a Kromrey motor generator.

This is not what the device is, I don't claim to know what this thing is, what I'm getting at is that the device reminds me of two devices that John Bedini has demonstrated (then theres the Peg Motor and the Perpetual Motion Holder Motor Generator...my device, inspired by this patent....coming soon...)

Regards

[John_Bedini]

adding info

Erfinder,
The Dan Quale Lenzless generator was done years ago by Ron Cole all posted on the net in the Yahoo groups files. As for My patent it is much more then the patent states. It did use Irons slugs in one of the machines as a matter of fact 8 to be exact. Sorry you toasted transistors as the switching for that is not easy to do. When I get back to work I will post one of the machines, but first the Radus Motor. So far nobody has discovered what it really is, but I did say in passing one time what it was and what could be done with it.

The geometry of the machine is important. I have worked out a design for the Peg Motor but I'm going to show it to Peter L first about how it could work at very high speed. I would suggest you read between the lines on that patent and see if you can tell me what it is and how it does not need any input energy to run. That is why it is so important to view the Radus work.

The Kromray is also a motor and that was built By Ron Cole with Iron bars, which has been in the groups for a long time. I think everybody forgets when the internet first got going where most of these motors came from and how they got changed around. Peter and I have built motors the internet has never seen. Then Peter has built machines before that nobody has ever seen. Back to work on the Peg motor.

I'm going to list two books here for you and all.

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik

The Westinghouse Documents I can not post unless I scan them in PDF.

IDEAS AND MOTORS
John B

[erfinder]

Erfinder,
The Dan Quale Lenzless generator was done years ago by Ron Cole all posted on the net in the Yahoo groups files. As for My patent it is much more then the patent states. It did use Irons slugs in one of the machines as a matter of fact 8 to be exact. Sorry you toasted transistors as the switching for that is not easy to do. When I get back to work I will post one of the machines, but first the Radus Motor. So far nobody has discovered what it really is, but I did say in passing one time what it was and what could be done with it.

The geometry of the machine is important. I have worked out a design for the Peg Motor but I'm going to show it to Peter L first about how it could work at very high speed. I would suggest you read between the lines on that patent and see if you can tell me what it is and how it does not need any input energy to run. That is why it is so important to view the Radus work.

The Kromray is also a motor and that was built By Ron Cole with Iron bars, which has been in the groups for a long time. I think everybody forgets when the internet first got going where most of these motors came from and how they got changed around. Peter and I have built motors the internet has never seen. Then Peter has built machines before that nobody has ever seen. Back to work on the Peg motor.

I'm going to list two books here for you and all.

Handbook of Magnetic Phenomena, By Harry E. Burke
The Nature of Magnetism, By M.I. Kaganov and V.M. Tsukernik

The Westinghouse Documents I can not post unless I scan them in PDF.

IDEAS AND MOTORS
John B

Hi John,

I've gotten pretty good at toasting transistors. Its part of the experience. I don't regret it. It was money well spent, now I have 1000 directions to avoid...

I can't explain how or why I knew but since seeing that ferris wheel in action, and learning that its a "Radus motor" I knew it didn't need a supply, now you've officially confirmed what I always felt was true, my dream is now starting to materialize. If needed I will move heaven and earth to see this on my bench!

I have a few questions about this patent and will post them in the Ferris wheel thread.

Regards

[FRC]

I guess i missed the part about changing poles on the Beardon website about
Radus. I had read that page a long time ago and had only remembered the
part about disabling the magnetism completely, kind of a reverse Leedskalin.
(sorry for spelling). I was not suggesting that the Gap motor was similar to the Radus motor. Just that it was employing the above principle.

George

[broli]

You can use pretty much off the shelf parts for the important pieces of the setup. Two toroids and a couple of C cores can do the trick, ferrite or silicon steel. This is at least my plan for my next generator build.