3 Battery Generating System

[wantomake]

A little success

To All,
Still experimenting with the deep cell 3BGS using 4 banks of batteries but only two in parallel in each bank so far. Position 4 bank is in resting and I plan to add a 5th bank later to power the inverter as I do need lights in my shop.

Connected smaller my1016 stock motor to larger my1016 modified Matt generator to a FWBR/capacitor then back to battery banks. FWBR with capacitor negative connected to #3 charge position neg. post. Then positive of fwbr to positive of #2 positive same as stock motor connection.

Primary. Primary Charge. Resting
#2. #1. #3. #4

If my memory is correct the above is the positions of the batteries. Please correct me I'm wrong.

I ran each cycle 30 minutes then moved #4 all the way to the left and moved other three to the right one position.

#4. #2. #1. #3

To see the primaries only loss 1/10th of a volt was good to see for me. And charged battery in charge position up to 15+ volts in only 30 minutes was good for my part.

Lowe's sells some 105 ah deep cells and this is my shopping for tomorrow to add to the banks.

This post may not impress or help anyone but I like what this system can do.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Switching

Matthew,
Thanks for the link, but I'm not even going to attempt the Tesla switch.

John Bedini had a hard time tuning his cigar box to get it work. That's beyond my knowledge level. I will settle for a "poor man's" version to switch the banks around.

For now just trying to get my mind wrapped around this concept that we all had success and the enjoyment of finally witnessing an alternative energy concept actually work. My own personal proof:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLGnLHFDVoe2c7K74T8EP7AQ&v=Dwk_bFXqiac

I arranged the banks yesterday, connected the ole Matt modified motor, and also the inverter. Even with 75 to 100 watt load the primaries dropped voltage slowly.

That's what I remember. Something with promise and expandable to a motor/generator build.

wantomake
PS: Hope link works.

[Turion]

[Matthew Jones]

Its funny after you have officially been on here a decade to watch people contemplate the work you have proven to at least yourself. So don't forget all this work:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch.html?highlight=tesla+swtich

Its funny in life, you meet rich a person they admire greed and greedier people then themselves, You meet poor people they have the tendency to admire Junkies and homeless people, people who have guns admire Hunter's and soldiers, foreigners admire citizens, ect ect ect... Its so backwards...
This happens because people forget that thing that has happened while they were not looking. They come along later or they ignored while it was happening.
Whatever,, if your not building anything that works its most likely because you stuffed yourself in a box, handed to you by the same people who tell you, you don't know what your talking about, or told you not to trust anyone.

I am so glad I grew up here. If you could see what I am seeing and understand it, you would be too. My only regret is I have never meet anyone on this forum I could explain it too. Free your mind and your ass will follow, I always liked that statement.

Bye

[jettis]

"Aaron contacted me and has agreed to my request to lock this thread. I encourage some of you to start your Own thread on aspects of this topic. I am tired of trying to defend myself and have more important things to do. Take care all. It was interesting.

One last thing:

Its not about current but voltage.... get the switching right, and the load right and you run into the extreme end of Peukert's law where the current draw is so low it does not actually even flow, just the potential across the load. Because current lags voltage you can skim the excess potential off the top. Want to know WHY it works, that's it in a nutshell.

http://www.bogartengineering.com/wp-...tsComments.pdf" Quote from Turion


It seems to me John Bedini has said you have to find a way to limit or block current from flowing in these pulse circuits to have a working system. Joseph Newman also said as much. Paul Babcock also stresses this, among others like Jeffrey SR. Miller etc.

I have done some experiments and can get a SG to run on very tiny amounts of current and still produce excellent magnetic properties for angular momentum production. Perhaps Turion and others are doing the same... It does sound like they are.

Dave Wing

p.s. someone posted this image on this forum before so I am just posting it again, I believe Babcock got this info from Newmans book.

[wantomake]

Batteries and inverter

Dave,
Thanks for the reply.

I have 115 ah deep cells and the inverter worked before on this setup. So will give it run tonight after supper. Do want to do the battery switch idea later on as I add to the 4 battery banks.

Regards and appreciate the help.
wantomake

[Turion]

Inverter

Nope. The inverter is wired into the 3 Battery system just like a motor would be. The positive of the inverter goes to the positive of the two batteries in series. The negative of the inverter goes to the positive of battery 3. The inverter "splits the positives". Unless you've got some BIG batteries, the inverter won't run long. Battery 3 will charge fast and there goes your potential difference. Start with a 100 watt load on the inverter or smaller. The wrong kind of inverter won't even work. Hope you get lucky!

[wantomake]

Best setup??

Bromikey, Dave,
I deleted the schematic to prevent confusion for anyone.
wantomake

[wantomake]

Coffee and musings of an old hobbist

Bromikey,
Thanks for the informative and kind response.

Having an honest approach to this forum is good for the heart and the advancement of teaching and learning aternative energy movement. This isn't free energy as some get fussy about cause the subject gets twisted into OU. I care about people, this planet, my 8 grandchildren and their future, not OU!!!

I as a self appointed student of the Dave's Institute of Learning and want to see the recovery process of the battery banks first. Then as memory of those earlier days kicks in, there will be an advancement of the system. A close coffee drinking friend via e-mail has been experimenting with that advancement and one day hope to get past talking and start building.

Well the day goes forward and it's getting ahead of me. First frost here in S. Carolina.
Later.
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Hello

Always good to hear from an experimenter who can follow directions
and let's everyone know when the money is the issue stopping you from
making a fair test. I ran the MATT MOD MTR this past year on 12v by
putting 24v in the 1&2 battery position in series then a 12v in number
3 position all 40ah-50ah each. Alum converted ultra deep cycle.

These batteries are twice the battery they were with acid in them.

I pick up a pile of rejected batteries a half dozen at a time and often
get 1 or 2 good ones. The price is $1 each at the bone yard. Many
thousands of batteries go right to the heap after only 1 or 2 years of
usage due to poor charging leaving the cells empty of any fluid.

I ran the MATT MOD MTR and instead of doing all that rotating I used
a 95-97 percent efficient boost converter to send back energy to the
24v side to keep a balance at all times. The tiny converter cost me $18
was fully digital. It was a snap, no more rotating.

Now i have a pulsating motor system with booster for continuous run.

Here is what i have gathered from Turion, he said that his goal is to
recover 80 percent of what is normally spent by the motor. Again I am
trying to wing it here and if I don't talk right he will butt in ever so politely
and get us back on course.

I guess there are extenuating circumstances where even more can be
recovered by letting ions enter the 4th battery resting as it is set aside
for that task. It could actually be a 4 battery system if you wanted to
go to the extreme outer limits of that experiment.

You understand there has been a great deal of learning evidence put
forth and the evolution has changed the face of today's practical
application? In other words the system I mentioned with a pulsed motor
of some form (Turion thinks stock pulsed motors might be better) coupled
with the returned energy to the front end via the booster.

Now if you tune it just right like I was instructed and did, the motor
runs, battery 3 charges and the booster created a negative differential
between the negative to negative plates of battery 2 and battery 3
as I understand it.

This brings us back to what we are looking for "Potential Difference"
between poles, maybe this is what the battery sees? I think and if we
pulse the energy right at the motor seeings how current lags the
voltage we get out with a little extra there.

So now we have 80 percent recovery. So now add a lenz free generator
onto the motor shaft that will give you even more recovery, or if
you don't want to go that far you could just use inverters to re-use
the same starting point energy 3 times and call it a day.

Glad you are wanting to follow the music. I just ordered
a 97 percent boost converter for my next experiment using a 48v string
of four 45ah batteries to run the MATT MOD MTR to charge a bank of
12v batteries in parallel to get my RPM's up at 36v to run my lenz free
generator.

[wantomake]

Will test more as I can

Hey Bromikey,
I'm digging out the 3BGS components to crank up the setup again.

My plan is simple but will take time to complete. I want to use the 3BGS to power an inverter system. My battery setup will be 4 banks of deep cells that will be switched by a rotating rotor made from pvc pipe. I plan to add to each bank as I can. Deep cells are not cheap.

I've followed Dave's motor/generator teaching very closely. But again not a cheap replication. I'm never trying to build a smaller version of an idea for proof of concept. I still have the modified Matt motor. But that's as far as I got with the motor/generator setup.

As the build goes will share here, not for any reason other than just conversing on the subject. But i will not argue or respond to any negative post here. I believe everything has already been posted, so diy. Do it yourself.

wantomake

[wantomake]

3bgs

Thanks Dave,
Glad you did this. I was re-reading these post to use with the inverter/battery setup for my shop. Still have the modified Matt motor with trifilar winding on the rotor. In fact have the dc/dc converter also.

We've been having more frequent storms that cause power outages and this can be a good backup system.

Plan to have 4 different battery banks to switch around as needed.

No comments needed, just wanted to tell you thanks.
wantomake

[Turion]

Info

I've had a few emails requesting that I somehow "pop" this thread back to the front page of the forum because there are links here to the PDF for winding the modified Matt motor, schematics for using the boost modules, and a bunch of other stuff that we did over the years, so here it is. Bookmark it, because I won't be spending any time commenting here.

If you notice, we had over 3,000 posts and 394,000 views on this thread, so maybe we were doing something right. Maybe.

Dave

[Turion]

Moved

As we have pretty much exhausted our efforts to replicate my original device, and have established that the 3 Battery system is but a PART of what you need for a device with significant COP, we have moved on to the Basic Free Energy Device thread. Hope to see you there.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device.html

[Flow]

Series resonance and the tesla switch

Hi guys,
This is my first post in this forum. I'm invested in free energy research for about 3 years now.
The last few months I tried to understand and replicate the tesla switch.
My first attempt was a basic 4 battery switch with a standard mechanical relay coil, similar to the simplified diagram T-6 from the Bedini/Muller paper. I had no success with my design. All batteries droped in voltage as expected.
Later I tried a diagram a russian guy posted on yoututbe. He seems to have success with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb-2hbUOLJQ

I replicated it according to the information he gives in the schematic and it didn't work. However I soon realized that hes talking about resonance (I unfortunately don't understand russian ) somewhere. And then I realized that the coils he has between the 2 battery banks could build a series tank and that he is tuning the cap discharge frequency to the resonance frequency of that tank.
I then looked at the muller paper again and saw that in Bedinis schematic T-1 on the negative side of the batteries, the batteries could also form a series tank with the secondary of the audio coils he used to trigger the transistors and maybe hes tuning the impulses to that frequency or a harmonic thereof. Same thing for T-7.
For the 3 battery configurations (T-3, T-4) I was very confused by the coil JB used to trigger the transistor. I first thought he drives them with a signal generator on a fixed frequency, but I tried that with some small audio coils and as far as I can tell, it doesn't work because of the reactance of the transformer between the negative terminals. All I was getting was normal induction current on the secondary. Then I looked at it again and saw that it looks like the triggering coil is coupled with the primary of the transformer and maybe its some kind of self resonating system.
I really wonder if someone in this thread already tried to replicate this schematic and can tell me about the results he had, because I think the 3 Battery switch is the basis for all the Tesla switch stuff and we really should try to understand and replicate it before we proceed with more complex designs.