The Truth About Tesla

[Aether84]

Next Up Tesla's Death Ray

Tesla's Death Ray does it have anything to do with HAARP & Tunguska as claimed by some?

was it particle beam weapon a powerful laser or something unknown to modern science did it really exist or was it just a idea tesla had but never made in reality

tesla first talked about it in 1934 Tesla Invents Peace Ray - Invention of a "beam of matter moving at high velocity" which would act as a "beam of destructive energy" was announced today by Dr. Nikola Tesla

The beam, as described by the inventor to rather bewildered reporters, would be projected on land from power houses set 200 miles or so apart and would provide an impenetrable wall for a country in time of war. Anything with which the ray came in contact would be destroyed, the inventor indicated. Planes would fall, armies would be wiped out and even the smallest country might so insure "security. against which nothing could avail

tesla described his death ray as a electric gun in a 1934 New York Herald Tribune article tesla said - a event that would occasionally take place while experimenting with single-electrode vacuum tubes in which a minute particle would break off the cathode, pass out of the tube, and physically strike him. "i could feel a sharp stinging pain where it entered my body, and again at the place where it passed out." In comparing these small fragments with the bits of metal projected by his "electric gun" Tesla said, "The particles in the beam of force . . . will travel much faster than such particles . . . and they will travel in concentrations End or part 1

[GSM]

Hi Aether84.
In Part 2 you wrote >
".... tesla believed current radio & power technology are using longitudinal waves."

From my limited readings I never came across this, nor drew such conclusion.
My take on it is that Tesla was already aware that Hertzian Waves are NOT Transverse.

Hence he wrote this in 1919 -
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for some while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognised as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history."

Sadly almost everybody remains unaware because they are so taken in by illustrative teaching that there are normally aligned electric and magnetic 'waves' propagating, whilst actually there are NOT !

It is only when there is realisation that all radiation is *photonic* (ie. borne of electron orbit excitations) that Tesla's work, plus the abject failure of conventional 'science', can be freshly reviewed with a view to real progress.
The requirement for energy transmission is to impulsively avalanche a charge without developing an alternating magnetic field (which would lead to electromagnetic radiation) before that charge potential can be coupled/used to kinetically induce localised transducable electric or magnetic field alternation.

Tesla understood Hertzian radiation, but chose to deliberately ignore it in order to investigate the longitudinal related (stinging shockwave) energy couplings - these becoming his directable energy transmission equipment (including 'ray gun') - as was confiscated and weaponised by the US Government etc.

Whilst I find some of Will Lyne's writing to be unsubstantiatable, I have no reason to doubt that he did not genuinely witness the 'UFO's he claims he saw.

[Aether84]

waves

Hi Aether84.
In Part 2 you wrote >
".... tesla believed current radio & power technology are using longitudinal waves."

From my limited readings I never came across this, nor drew such conclusion.
My take on it is that Tesla was already aware that Hertzian Waves are NOT Transverse.

Hence he wrote this in 1919 -
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for some while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognised as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history."

Sadly almost everybody remains unaware because they are so taken in by illustrative teaching that there are normally aligned electric and magnetic 'waves' propagating, whilst actually there are NOT !

It is only when there is realisation that all radiation is *photonic* (ie. borne of electron orbit excitations) that Tesla's work, plus the abject failure of conventional 'science', can be freshly reviewed with a view to real progress.
The requirement for energy transmission is to impulsively avalanche a charge without developing an alternating magnetic field (which would lead to electromagnetic radiation) before that charge potential can be coupled/used to kinetically induce localised transducable electric or magnetic field alternation.

Tesla understood Hertzian radiation, but chose to deliberately ignore it in order to investigate the longitudinal related (stinging shockwave) energy couplings - these becoming his directable energy transmission equipment (including 'ray gun') - as was confiscated and weaponised by the US Government etc.

Whilst I find some of Will Lyne's writing to be unsubstantiatable, I have no reason to doubt that he did not genuinely witness the 'UFO's he claims he saw.

i think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. i believed tesla made it very clear in his lifetime he didnt think Hertzian Transverse Waves existed and that all waves are longitudinal

as for stinging shockwave that Vassilatos talks about in his book (Secrets of Cold War Technology) tesla never said anything about them the only person who does is Vassilatos & and when Vassilatos is asked in what articles or writings tesla said these things

all Vassilatos says is that he discovered secret tesla pepers that no one else but himself as ever saw. when pepole make claims about secret knowledge it nomally means thir blowing smoke- P.T Barnum explains this in his books

[Aether84]

Death Ray Pt2

tesla wrote about his death ray in the his article THE NEW ART
of PROJECTING CONCENTRATED NON-DISPERSIVE ENERGY THROUGH
NATURAL MEDIA

The successful carrying out of the plan involves a number of more or less important improvements but the principal among these include the following
1. A new form of high vacuum tube open to the atmosphere.

2. Provisions for imparting to a minute particle an extremely high charge.

3. A new terminal of relatively small dimensions and enormous potential.

4. An electro-static generator on a new principle and of very great power

tesla's death ray worked by firing charged metal particles in a beam one thousandth of a millimeter in size to limit dissipation of the beam firing the charged metal particles at close to the speed of light

so it worked like a waterjet cutter - a waterjet cutter work by firing water at high velocity and pressure though tubes than a abrasive material such as garnet is released into the jet of water allowing it to cut though the hardest materials

so in tesla's death ray the waterjet is replaced by high voltage electricity the tubes by a high voltage generator & the garnet by metal particles the ray does its damage by the speed of the particles not by their size speed equals more force on impact

tesla gave the metal particles high speed & voltage in the generator like a particle accelerator firing them though a open vacuum tube that was sealed by compressed air

so tesla's death ray was a electrical waterjet cutter- so nothing to do with HAARP or Tunguska sorry tom bearden you are wrong according to tesla himself

[nat1971a]

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[GSM]

Hi Aether84,
In post 20 you wrote >
"...... i believed tesla made it very clear in his lifetime he didnt think Hertzian Transverse Waves existed and that all waves are longitudinal"

Correct - there are NO transverse 'waves'.

Tesla knew EM radiation is in radial 'lines' out from the source, and, his as being like sound waves was merely Tesla's way of providing simplistic illustration in attempt to persuade those holding erroneous beliefs relating to 'transverse wave' propagation.

This is all down to interpretation of the use of illustrative terms available at that time.

[LetsReplicate]

tesla wrote about his death ray in the his article THE NEW ART
of PROJECTING CONCENTRATED NON-DISPERSIVE ENERGY THROUGH
NATURAL MEDIA

The successful carrying out of the plan involves a number of more or less important improvements but the principal among these include the following
1. A new form of high vacuum tube open to the atmosphere.

2. Provisions for imparting to a minute particle an extremely high charge.

3. A new terminal of relatively small dimensions and enormous potential.

4. An electro-static generator on a new principle and of very great power

tesla's death ray worked by firing charged metal particles in a beam one thousandth of a millimeter in size to limit dissipation of the beam firing the charged metal particles at close to the speed of light

so it worked like a waterjet cutter - a waterjet cutter work by firing water at high velocity and pressure though tubes than a abrasive material such as garnet is released into the jet of water allowing it to cut though the hardest materials

so in tesla's death ray the waterjet is replaced by high voltage electricity the tubes by a high voltage generator & the garnet by metal particles the ray does its damage by the speed of the particles not by their size speed equals more force on impact

tesla gave the metal particles high speed & voltage in the generator like a particle accelerator firing them though a open vacuum tube that was sealed by compressed air

so tesla's death ray was a electrical waterjet cutter- so nothing to do with HAARP or Tunguska sorry tom bearden you are wrong according to tesla himself

My research indicated that Tesla was most likely using high intensity X-rays (which would cause pain and pierce the body), possibly even as a primitive laser. The ionizing radiation would cause the air in the beam to ionize the air (produce static electricity) and produce an ion wind that accelerated the projectiles toward the high potential terminal. It is HIGHLY unlikely that Tesla's "near the speed of light" claim is accurate; he was known to overstate the power of his devices for effect. It is also unlikely that projectiles had the power claimed, otherwise this would be in use in place of rail guns (the closest modern equivalent to the death ray's claimed results). It is possible that the rail gun may be loosely based on Tesla's death ray but Tesla defiantly was not using Laplace rails, and the projectiles were far to small. The metal Tesla used for the projectiles was tungsten (supposedly, not confirmed), which is the primary metal used in ammunition for rail guns.

[Aether84]

death ray

My research indicated that Tesla was most likely using high intensity X-rays (which would cause pain and pierce the body), possibly even as a primitive laser. The ionizing radiation would cause the air in the beam to ionize the air (produce static electricity) and produce an ion wind that accelerated the projectiles toward the high potential terminal. It is HIGHLY unlikely that Tesla's "near the speed of light" claim is accurate; he was known to overstate the power of his devices for effect. It is also unlikely that projectiles had the power claimed, otherwise this would be in use in place of rail guns (the closest modern equivalent to the death ray's claimed results). It is possible that the rail gun may be loosely based on Tesla's death ray but Tesla defiantly was not using Laplace rails, and the projectiles were far to small. The metal Tesla used for the projectiles was tungsten (supposedly, not confirmed), which is the primary metal used in ammunition for rail guns.

i'm not to sure about high intensity X-rays beam tesla talked about such a beam tesla said - I made tests on a large scale with the transmitter referred to and a beam of ultra-violet rays of great energy in an attempt to conduct the current to the high rarefied strata of the air and thus create an auroral such as might be utilized for illumination, especially of oceans at night. I found that there was some virtue in the principal but the results did not justify the hope of important practical applications although, some years later, several inventors claimed to have produced a "death ray" in this manner While the published reports to this effect were entirely unfounded

[Kokomoj0]

there is a lot of confusion about tesla and his work today mainly because of people making claims about what tesla supposedly believed and said when in fact the idea's they talk about are thir own & not tesla's

they use tesla's name to sell products to the gullible and easily lead. people like john bedini - tom bearden - Konstantin Meyl - peter lindemann and so on make claims that they know tesla's secrets and you can to if you buy thir products

claims like- scalar waves - free energy - anti gravity - super scalar weapons -
weather control - Ufo's

whan if fact tesla never believed such things so in this thread i hope to show you what tesla really said & believed by using his own words and articles

first up tesla's views on electricity & the supposedly called scalar waves

they even have a tv show called the santuary with amanda tapping and a zap guy who is some kind of vampire figure and uses electricity and just happens to have the name nikola tesla. I am not sure if its entertainment or mockery

[amigo]

This is an interesting conversation, albeit it is filled with your own personal opinions and theories, even though you are criticizing others for doing so.

To put my foot into (all of) your mouth(s), please make citations when you are posting some claim of what Tesla said. And I mean it, quote Nikola Tesla and include where it was printed.

Of course quotations from the books you are criticizing will not do as those could've been redacted by the respective authors themselves, so only Tesla published documents and news articles please.

[LetsReplicate]

i'm not to sure about high intensity X-rays beam tesla talked about such a beam tesla said - I made tests on a large scale with the transmitter referred to and a beam of ultra-violet rays of great energy in an attempt to conduct the current to the high rarefied strata of the air and thus create an auroral such as might be utilized for illumination, especially of oceans at night. I found that there was some virtue in the principal but the results did not justify the hope of important practical applications although, some years later, several inventors claimed to have produced a "death ray" in this manner While the published reports to this effect were entirely unfounded

There is a distinct difference between UV and X-rays. X-rays are the lowest band of light that is classified as "ionizing radiation" because of its penetrating power. Tesla would have been calling them "cosmic rays" and known that they were different from UV. Tesla already knew about "cosmic rays" (x-rays or higher) from when he was working with radiation in 1897.

Also in 1897, Tesla researched radiation, which led to setting up the basic formulation of cosmic rays.

UV and lower are capable of ionizing the low pressure air in the upper atmosphere to create auroras (HAARP uses microwaves and lower). The key to that is that the air MUST be under low pressure. The light actually comes from electrons moving up and down in valence level; and the effect comes from the magnetic part of the wave, not the voltage. Since the light itself is extra energy being cast off as photons, there is no major static electricity from it, and therefore, no ionic wind.

An X-rays would impart the electrons enough energy to strip them all off the atom entirely including the lowest valence levels (and the emitter probably had large positive voltage so it could remove the electrons), which would produce a large positive the static voltage along the entirety of the firing tube required to cause the ion wind. With the high potential terminal at the far end negatively charged, the ionized particles would accelerate towards it and momentum would carry them out of the weapon. This effect could be made more pronounced by use of compressed air since ion wind is dependent on particle density.

There are only 3 methods I know of that would even have a hope of firing a solid projectile electrically.

1. Ion wind (high voltage that's unevenly distributed)
2. Laplace rail (high current that accelerates a projectile along the rail)
3. Coil gun (high intensity timed magnetism; not a constant acceleration; requires magnetic ammunition like iron or nickle)

Given the construction of the system, ion wind seems to be the only option that fits the bill. It is possible that he was simply using high voltage on both sides of the tube instead of x-rays, but that would require exponentially higher voltage as the length of the tube increased for higher top speed making it far more impracticable.

Also, given his use of "near the speed of light" claim, the particles would have been producing x-rays as they moved anyway:

When high-energy particles are in rapid motion, including electrons forced to travel in a curved path by a magnetic field, synchrotron radiation is produced. This is similar to a radio antenna, but with the difference that, in theory, the relativistic speed will change the observed frequency due to the Doppler effect by the Lorentz factor, γ. Relativistic time contraction then bumps the frequency observed in the lab by another factor of γ, thus multiplying the GHz frequency of the resonant cavity that accelerates the electrons into the X-ray range. The radiated power is given by the relativistic Larmor formula while the force on the emitting electron is given by the Abraham-Lorentz-Dirac force. The radiation pattern can be distorted from an isotropic dipole pattern into an extremely forward-pointing cone of radiation. Synchrotron radiation is the brightest artificial source of X-rays. The planar acceleration geometry appears to make the radiation linearly polarized when observed in the orbital plane, and circularly polarized when observed at a small angle to that plane. Amplitude and frequency are however focussed to the polar ecliptic.

TROLL!

Yes, willy96 is totally a troll. It is pretty obvious really, just ignore him, he has nothing interesting to say anyway.

[Aether84]

could be?

There is a distinct difference between UV and X-rays. X-rays are the lowest band of light that is classified as "ionizing radiation" because of its penetrating power. Tesla would have been calling them "cosmic rays" and known that they were different from UV. Tesla already knew about "cosmic rays" (x-rays or higher) from when he was working with radiation in 1897.



UV and lower are capable of ionizing the low pressure air in the upper atmosphere to create auroras (HAARP uses microwaves and lower). The key to that is that the air MUST be under low pressure. The light actually comes from electrons moving up and down in valence level; and the effect comes from the magnetic part of the wave, not the voltage. Since the light itself is extra energy being cast off as photons, there is no major static electricity from it, and therefore, no ionic wind.

An X-rays would impart the electrons enough energy to strip them all off the atom entirely including the lowest valence levels (and the emitter probably had large positive voltage so it could remove the electrons), which would produce a large positive the static voltage along the entirety of the firing tube required to cause the ion wind. With the high potential terminal at the far end negatively charged, the ionized particles would accelerate towards it and momentum would carry them out of the weapon. This effect could be made more pronounced by use of compressed air since ion wind is dependent on particle density.

There are only 3 methods I know of that would even have a hope of firing a solid projectile electrically.

1. Ion wind (high voltage that's unevenly distributed)
2. Laplace rail (high current that accelerates a projectile along the rail)
3. Coil gun (high intensity timed magnetism; not a constant acceleration; requires magnetic ammunition like iron or nickle)

Given the construction of the system, ion wind seems to be the only option that fits the bill. It is possible that he was simply using high voltage on both sides of the tube instead of x-rays, but that would require exponentially higher voltage as the length of the tube increased for higher top speed making it far more impracticable.

Also, given his use of "near the speed of light" claim, the particles would have been producing x-rays as they moved anyway:



Yes, willy96 is totally a troll. It is pretty obvious really, just ignore him, he has nothing interesting to say anyway.

interesting ideas i think they would be hard to prove them till somebody builds a full sized model to see if the theory works

[LetsReplicate]

interesting ideas i think they would be hard to prove them till somebody builds a full sized model to see if the theory works

Feel free to replicate it, but I would recommend encasing it in lead if you enjoy having the ability to reproduce and not having cancer.

Odds are the death ray didn't really work in any of his tests. Tesla didn't believe in electrons.

[Aether84]

Tesla Wireless Transmission

tesla in the 1890's said that he developed a wireless transmission system that was directly opposite to hertz wave technology & at colorado springs he sent power in unlimited quantities to all corners of the globe

not surprisely many scientist in tesla's time and our own believe such a thing is completely impossible but tesla was certain he did and from the time of tesla's announcement many theorys have been put forward to explain tesla's claims

from secret electric waves - Schumann cavity resonance - ionosphere circuit - forgotten Aether physics - and evan bending the laws of known physics

but what did tesla himself say about his wireless transmission system? you maybe surprised to learn that tesla had a lot to say about his system. in many articles tesla wrote in his long life time tesla explained his system in full

but people of his time & ours still dont listen to what he had to say. tesla said time and again that his system did not send or use radio waves(what tesla called radiations or hertzen waves) that his system worked through the ground like a straight wire what tesla called through the earth transmission

so how did it work and can it be replicated in todays world?. hopefully by using tesla own words and articles we can understand tesla & his wireless technology

End of Part 1

[Aaron]

@Willy

Willy, your posts are off topic. There doesn't seem to be a point to your posts. Please don't repost here.