Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Duncan]

in other words , get to know your tools

water and resonance

he he I'm going to buy some bigger switches for the capacitor bank....more experiments required...

[Slovenia]

Wow!!

This is all getting so incredible. Thanks posters for all your efforts!!

[RAMSET]

Good morning Slovenia

Yes it is good stuff!!
As you know where I'm working this week there are a lot of troubled young people trying to turn there lives around!!

It would be so good to be able to Focus there young minds with hope for the future!!

It will be good for us Too...............

Have a good day
Catcha later

Chet

[MonsieurM]

I posted this in another thread, but it is just as relelvant here

from: http://www.tesla-symp06.org/papers/T...mp06_Corum.pdf

Abstract – The electrical properties of RF coils are deduced from
the boundary value solution of Maxwell’s equations. In the
1890s Tesla concluded, on the basis of experiment, that very
large voltages were attainable on helical resonators through the
mechanism of wave interference and standing wave phenomena.
For such structures lumped element circuit analysis fails
because its inherent presuppositions are inadequate. In the limit,
as the frequency is lowered, the mode distribution becomes
uniform and the RF solution passes to conventional lumped
circuit elements. This passage is demonstrated analytically.
Experimental measurements are employed to support Tesla’s
assertions.

[boguslaw]

Duncan,


What if I ground one output terminal of DC to AC inverter ? Would that be the same as neutral in grid ? I mean real grounding to Earth soil via metal

[Slovenia]

Boguslaw (Ring)

Hi Boguslaw,

I'd like to see you experiment with the ring made from a can while you are waiting for a better ring material. This tin can ring will at least show you the power of this device. You will see it first hand and it will motivate you. Also, we would like to see your device working. Think about it. Thanks for sharing with us.

Also, the tin can ring will give you practice making these rings which is not so easy as I make it look. If you follow my radius method though it is very doable. Good Luck!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[boguslaw]

Slovenia

I still don't get it ... how I can cut larger ring from beer can when beer can's diameter is smaller then ring Call me nut but I think I need a can with larger diameter . I will try with cheap SS mug this weekend, we will see what is the thickness used in India mugs

[Slovenia]

Ring Material

Hi Boguslaw,

No, you are a smart guy I must not have explained well. You don't make the ring out of aluminum can but out of steel can. So, find a can that has a circumference of about ten inches and make your ring from that. The ring is iron/steel and the can is aluminum. I'm glad to help any time you need me. The steel cans here are about .1mm thickness and Mr. "C" called for .2mm in thickness, but .1mm works well too. So, try it for grins and it will help motivate you quickly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia

I still don't get it ... how I can cut larger ring from beer can when beer can's diameter is smaller then ring Call me nut but I think I need a can with larger diameter . I will try with cheap SS mug this weekend, we will see what is the thickness used in India mugs

[daemonbart]

Water rotation?

Hi!

I had a dream last night that after shutting of device and lifted it up from water, water started to rotate in bucket..

This gave me a creepy feeling in my dream so i waked up

By the way I remember from dream it rotated anti clockwise??

Would this be possible in real?? Anyone??

Kind rgds D

[Duncan]

Duncan,


What if I ground one output terminal of DC to AC inverter ? Would that be the same as neutral in grid ? I mean real grounding to Earth soil via metal

Hi .. boguslaw sorry been busy else where … The supply authority In different ways bond on leg of the supply to ground both at the centre tap of the substation and along the cable and usually when the cable enters your home.
And so The fact that one of the mains incoming cables is bonded to ground is as far as this construction is concerned arbitrary. In other words I would suggest you don’t attempt to ground either side. In fact just leave the voltage floating ...in this Instance it makes everything safer , In fact It is almost the same as using an isolation transformer, which effectively does the same thing.( removes the reference to earth) In short running straight from the mains because the neutral and ground are common touching the water is liable to shock . Using an inverter that hazard is removed.
I see no good reason to reintroduce it.

[RAMSET]

absolutely!!

Daemonbart
Quote:

Would this be possible in real?? Anyone??

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You have seen the Wave??
I believe Core ,Or some one on The Davey thread posted that they could rotate the water with a current present,may even have done a video??

Its the Heat that is the Best !!{well so far anyway]
I will be doing a test here this evening with some of our future engineers
we will be bringing 1 liter of water up in Temp with a resistance heater.

Taking notes on start Temp, Power used ,finish temp and Time....
And posting results .

just for a baseline.
Thanks
Chet

[Duncan]

even the spoons seem to show spin ... resistance heating at least you'll end up with a nice straight line graph,very different from this! Specific Heat

[MonsieurM]

Hi!

I had a dream last night that after shutting of device and lifted it up from water, water started to rotate in bucket..

This gave me a creepy feeling in my dream so i waked up

By the way I remember from dream it rotated anti clockwise??

Would this be possible in real?? Anyone??

Kind rgds D

Watch the vid:


Using magnetic vortex as eddy heater. - YouTube

The idea behind this was that if we have a stationary magnet but a moving field we should be able to use it. In this video I use a small aluminum bowl filled with about a cup of water and a tablespoon of baking soda. In the middle is a ring magnet that is not touching the bowl but seperated with a plastic spacer. I attach a signal generator with the leads to the bowl and one on the magnet. The yellow wire going through the black holder is a temprature probe. In the beginning of the video I try different frequencies before finding the sweet spot of 276hz sine wave although 5-8hz seems good also. The loaded readings is 40VAC, current drawn is 3.5amps and the water starts to spin counter clockwise. As you can see the temprature will start to rise it won't win any awards for high speed heating or efficiency but the principle is working. The spinning magnetic field is causing eddy currents in the aluminum which causes heating.

[boguslaw]

Hi .. boguslaw sorry been busy else where … The supply authority In different ways bond on leg of the supply to ground both at the centre tap of the substation and along the cable and usually when the cable enters your home.
And so The fact that one of the mains incoming cables is bonded to ground is as far as this construction is concerned arbitrary. In other words I would suggest you don’t attempt to ground either side. In fact just leave the voltage floating ...in this Instance it makes everything safer , In fact It is almost the same as using an isolation transformer, which effectively does the same thing.( removes the reference to earth) In short running straight from the mains because the neutral and ground are common touching the water is liable to shock . Using an inverter that hazard is removed.
I see no good reason to reintroduce it.

Duncan

Mr "C" mentioned can being an antenna. I feel that every 1/4 antenna has to be properly grounded while inverter output is floating voltage. That's why I have some doubts about implementing inverter as a testing tool to check is this device is consuming reactive power. But I'm not EE.

[Duncan]

Duncan

Mr "C" mentioned can being an antenna. I feel that every 1/4 antenna has to be properly grounded while inverter output is floating voltage. That's why I have some doubts about implementing inverter as a testing tool to check is this device is consuming reactive power. But I'm not EE.

Yeh I can understand the trepidation … being a traditionally trained EE is a positive disadvantage going into the zones that we are.. I have to almost “unlearn” things that are written in stone. We really have to go forward by experimentation, conjecture, and communication,
The text books of course say heating by reactive current is impossible a direct comparison of a unit working on the mains and one working on an inverter should give a useful information.
It would also (if successful) mean we could all work on one standard
however if Mr C has been there,done that, & got the Tshirt there is no point repeating