The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus applied to electromagnetism

[MonsieurM]

about the emf egg,

principle of correspondence: this observation is applicable to many other experiments using primary and secondary coils....

even to lord kelvin experiment: (2 small eggs in a larger egg )



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[Dave45]

I would really be interested in the direction of the magnetic fields produced by the cylinders that the water falls through in the Lord Kelvin experiment.

[MonsieurM]

I would really be interested in the direction of the magnetic fields produced by the cylinders that the water falls through in the Lord Kelvin experiment.

magnetic paper

[Dave45]

magnetic paper

Yea I started gathering parts at one time intended to build one but never followed through.

[shawnnweed]

Iv been thinking of how to magnify the magnetic field and I think this is what a Tesla coil does if you look at the primary the way that its made like the pancake coil, even without the high voltage pulse the coil is concentrating a field to its core a big field because of the way the coil is laid out.

So the broader the coil the smaller the core the more concentrated the field and if hit with a high voltage pulse bam
I'll have to think this over for awhile

I have the toroid in ice now it has one wind left and one right around the toroid
I made two electrodes out of sheets of aluminum with acrylic as the dielectric between the aluminum posts and inserted them into the core, Im going to hook this up to the function generator in a couple of days if I get anything I'll let it freeze for two or three days and take another reading I have a hunch that if left to form the field will channel through the ice more and more I will keep you posted.
Dave

I would have to agree that a larger coil with a smaller center is much aiken to having a large volume of water with a small spout. The stream will be smaller but the pressure behind the stream will be exponentially stronger. To keep the rotation at an equalibrium the energy has to pass through the smaller opening more quickly creating a larger initial burst which should theoretically elongate the field from both ends. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. What I mean is that although it should elongate the field it will probably cause the field to become more narrow from the sides. In other words you will have a tall skinny electromagneic field instead of a short and fat electromagnetic field. But this is just an assumption, I could be wrong.
,Shawn

[MonsieurM]

you are quite correct Shawn, however you are limited by one factor, and that is the form factor or if you prefer the angle of the spiral coil to form a perfect emf egg

you could choose between the purple area on the top of the egg or the lower green area at the bottom of the egg




as you put it , to every action there is a reaction, if you choose one or the other you will have to recalibrate your whole set up accordingly

[shawnnweed]

[QUOTE=MonsieurM;154067]have you taken into account the multi - directional spinning of the quartz/neodymium ball (see rodin exp with neo )and the gold strands would break off or restrain the spinning, as for the dielectric, isn't water dielectric?

which could also turn the egg into a capacitor .... (see post http://www.energeticforum.com/148474-post141.html )

from Hydro-Magnetic Generator (link above )



water is a dielecric when its frozen(2-3) yet is also a dielectric when its superheated and under pressure but only at low densities(2-3) Once you go to a higher density it reverts back to it's normal dielectric contstant of 8 or even increases. Ithink we have a winner. The only concern is that water will still carry a charge but will this help or hender us. I think it might be helpful unless it cause a full discharge of our crystal capacitor.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CGQQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pnas.org%2Fcontent%2F80%2F14%2F4575.full.pdf&ei=SUlcTtWZM-eusQKO3_gr&usg=AFQjCNG4fBsMJ0Dn558Eq4CMNuqtY0P3pA

[Dave45]

Water structure and behavior

Phase diagram of water and ice

[shawnnweed]

I would have to agree that a larger coil with a smaller center is much aiken to having a large volume of water with a small spout. The stream will be smaller but the pressure behind the stream will be exponentially stronger. To keep the rotation at an equalibrium the energy has to pass through the smaller opening more quickly creating a larger initial burst which should theoretically elongate the field from both ends. But for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. What I mean is that although it should elongate the field it will probably cause the field to become more narrow from the sides. In other words you will have a tall skinny electromagneic field instead of a short and fat electromagnetic field. But this is just an assumption, I could be wrong.
,Shawn

But hey this could have huge thrust potential. It should be something to seriously consider and contemplate if we are trying to acheive antigravity. Here's a thought imagine a series of torruses, one above the other at a set distance so that they self resonate. And using the ball and thrust theory you could have the torrus get smaller and smaller as it rises. Therfore the lower will resonate but have greater power over the upper levels and therefore should be able to pass a neodymium ball up through the center of the multilevel vortex. A self-resonating multilevel vortex that physically immitates a pyramid starting from a large base and getting smaller as it ascends. would love some feedback.

[shawnnweed]

or maybe it should be upside down

[MonsieurM]

principle of polarity

When an aircraft breaks the sound barrier an incredible surrounds the aircraft.

also called

shock wave approaching infinite pressure is produced as an aircraft approaches the speed of sound. Because it is invalid to apply the transformation at these speeds, the predicted singularity does not emerge. Nevertheless, extreme atmospheric conditions are produced which may give rise to a vapor cone, shock collar, or shock egg of visible condensation.[1]

[MonsieurM]

But hey this could have huge thrust potential. It should be something to seriously consider and contemplate if we are trying to acheive antigravity. Here's a thought imagine a series of torruses, one above the other at a set distance so that they self resonate. And using the ball and thrust theory you could have the torrus get smaller and smaller as it rises. Therfore the lower will resonate but have greater power over the upper levels and therefore should be able to pass a neodymium ball up through the center of the multilevel vortex. A self-resonating multilevel vortex that physically immitates a pyramid starting from a large base and getting smaller as it ascends. would love some feedback.

Not a bad idea, your are using the musical scale principle, a large cord will vibrate slowly, pinch it in the middle, and the hlaf cord will vibrate at a faster speed. you have just thought up a Rodin Harp

the following is a high tech version

The laser harp



this is just to show you that it is also applicable to lasers as cords

[MonsieurM]

Shawn, for the ball to pass through all the rings, you 'll have to create an imbalance that is going in one direction, meaning, that a Rodin coil produces 2 equal vortices , you'll have to find a way for one vortice (the direction you desire) to have more pull than its opposite

[MonsieurM]

Back to Tesla's Egg, Dave in 3d electromagnetic thread, asked a very relevant question....

from the thread:

so you have solid rings that create a a spherical field

what if i told you this is what happens inside the Tesla copper egg with the crystal inside (see http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...gnetism-9.html )

a spinning solid sphere that creates the emf rings

a 2d version

Could be you just have to figure out how to pull energy from the system unless it lifts off

simple once the ball inside the egg reached the right rpm, the system will start producing an excess of energy (no external input needed ) the internal interaction will take over that could be fed back to the Tesla coil...remember if an antenna can emit , it can also receive (prinicple of polarity )


and guess what, Rodin Coil was considered an amazing Antenna by the military

Indeed, wasn't Tesla trying to use the Coil as a transmitter and receiver of energy , (see Farmhand's replication)

well, here the same Tesla coil, will be the transmitting energy source to the Tesla Egg, once the ball inside the egg reaches the correct spinning, a cascade effect will take place inside the egg, which will take over as the source of the spinning and thus become an emitter. In turn, the Tesla Coil (or emf egg) will become the receiver, and convert millions of volts into useable voltage...and this is a fractal construct for you (all 7 principles of the Kyballion respected )



note: just a thought, but you may have to recalibrate the primary coil's angle to become a receiver, why, because you'll be inverting the emf egg... on the initial set up the copper egg and emf egg are pointing in opposite direction...as a receiver you may want the bottom of the emf egg to be on the primary coil side, so the emf egg can pull the energy from the copper egg

you could choose between the purple area on the top of the egg or the lower green area at the bottom of the egg



water seems to be the appropriate liquid to have the crystal Ball spinning in ...see the various anomalies of water in this post: http://www.energeticforum.com/154170-post496.html

[MonsieurM]

as was re-reading this thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ystals-17.html

the following information is relevant to this thread:

the original set up is two RESONANT SPIRAL COIL PARALLEL (and vertically positioned to the ground )

the effect

Spiral coils generate very powerful electromagnetic fields by operating with two different but simultaneous resonant behaviors. Quarter-wave resonance is established by adjusting the frequency (and wavelength) of a radiofrequency (RF) voltage source until the length of the spiral conductor is equal to 1/4 of the wavelength of the alternating voltage. This generates an electromagnetic standing wave with at least one peak node and at least one null node. Inductive-capacitive (L/C) resonance is established by optimizing the thickness and width of the wire ribbon used to make the spiral coil. When inductance and capacitance are balanced, the current response will synchronize with the voltage input, creating in-phase behavior, minimal total impedance, and maximal power output. If two such coils are placed near each other, they will create an extremely powerful electromagnetic field between them, which can promote chemical and plasma reactions involving charged particles such as ions or plasma particles, possibly including nuclear fusion reactions (Leon Sprink got the Same results .

for the primary coil in the Tesla coil, the egg should be your inspiration for the ratios, if you prefer the golden egg ratios

important note:

the Tesla copper egg and the emf egg (created by the tesla coil) have to be identical (one being the small scale version of the other) principle of correspondence

ps: i understand transmutation between two rods

Adept Alchemy (Robert A. Nelson): Transmutations of Carbon

Inspired by the pioneering work of Dr. Kervran, Dr. George Ohsawa sought to transmute sodium into potassium in vitro. The method revealed itself to him in a symbolic dream. Thus inspired, Dr. Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, et al., constructed an experimental electric discharge tube with copper (Yin) and iron (Yang) electrodes (and the egg is created )

Yin and Yang in Chinese Mythology
The Pangu* legend
In the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. The chaos began to coalesce into a cosmic egg for eighteen thousand years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu, emerged from the egg.

Yin - Yang - Chinese Customs



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Dave, the following is the induction video you posted a while back:

induction heater levitation melting aluminum - YouTube

do you see it now...