Multiple LCR resonance Circuits

[ltseung888]

Are you sure about this that constant DC current applied to LCR circuit produces AC current?

To be more exact, Pulsing DC supply has be used in all my past experiments. The pulsing can be from a switch, a signal generator with a diode or LED, a Joule Thief Circuit or some similar means.

You can compare such effect as pushing a swing. Gravitational energy is brought-in during the push. There is no need to apply a constant push.

The interesting point is that the Pulsing Source can be removed totally such as with the Steven Mark setup. It is like the many tuning forks in resonance. There is no need to strike the first tuning fork any more once many tuning forks are in sympathetic vibration (especially in a resonance chamber.)

[frenky]

To be more exact, Pulsing DC supply has be used in all my past experiments. The pulsing can be from a switch, a signal generator with a diode or LED, a Joule Thief Circuit or some similar means.

You can compare such effect as pushing a swing. Gravitational energy is brought-in during the push. There is no need to apply a constant push.

The interesting point is that the Pulsing Source can be removed totally such as with the Steven Mark setup. It is like the many tuning forks in resonance. There is no need to strike the first tuning fork any more once many tuning forks are in sympathetic vibration (especially in a resonance chamber.)

Thank you for your answer. That makes much more sense.
IF you pulse LC circuit it will start to oscillate, I couldn't see how could this be done by applying constant DC.

[ltseung888]

Thank you for your answer. That makes much more sense.
IF you pulse LC circuit it will start to oscillate, I couldn't see how could this be done by applying constant DC.

When you apply constant DC to the Joule Thief circuit, you will get it to oscillate. The transistor is the trick.

Thus in many complex circuits with transistors or equivalent, we have the elements of oscillation even if the source is constant DC such as a battery.

[ltseung888]

A number of teams in China and USA claimed to have achieved it. Are they real???

The recommendation is for the experimenters to use oscilloscopes to display the waveforms.

[ltseung888]

The prototype by Harvey Gramm

This prototype was done in May 2011 by Mr. Harvey Gramm. Harvey and wife (Catlady) visited me and discussed the multiple resonance LCR circuits.

Two weeks later, he sent me the following photos. It is clear that he achieved some resonance results. It may be a forced resonance (pulsing source must be on all the time). It will take some additional effort to achieve natural resonance (pulsing source can be taken off).

It is almost 4 months later now. The chance of Harvey achieving some useful resonance configuration is high. This is a clear case that the seed has yielded some results.

Hopefully, Harvey will supply more detailed information to benefit the World.

*** Please note - do not send me any information you do not want to share with the World. ***

[frenky]

Do you know of any good combinations of R, L, C values & wire gauge, number of turns... that could be used for this setup?
I have some different toroid cores at hand I could try some setups.

[ltseung888]

May God Bless the Hard Workers

Do you know of any good combinations of R, L, C values & wire gauge, number of turns... that could be used for this setup?
I have some different toroid cores at hand I could try some setups.

May God bless those who are willing to spend the effort.

[Armagdn03]

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

[Armagdn03]

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

For example, multiple tuning forks tuned to the same freq alone DO NOT alone make more energy. I can show this, explain this, demonstrate this...yet this is the basis for may such theories! There are preferred distances which need to be observed, there is an analogue to the maximum power transmission theorem to eccentric transformers, there are geometric patterns which make ALL the difference in the world.

If you take a transmitter and receiver, and place them one quarter wave length apart, you create energy....WHY???? (optics, quarter wave cancelation, etc.)

Refine your words! show proof in words that "resonate" with people, THEN blast away questions with perfect physical examples.

[ltseung888]

Learning from the Seeds

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

Dear Armagdn03,

Please read the information from:

What is New?

[Armagdn03]

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

7. The energy of the second and subsequent tuning forks comes not only from the struck energy of the first tuning fork but also from the kinetic energy of the moving molecules.

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered to augment the movement of the second resonant structure. Synchronization of resonant systems is a natural effect, however the the systems must be within each others bandwidth. How does the kinetic resonant properties of the air molecules (very small period) synchronize with the resonant source (tuning fork - VERY large in comparison).

You say this happens though and can be understood through the first divine revelation.....(shown below)

6. The First Divine Revelation was shown mathematically. A ball hitting a moving piston from behind will impart some of its kinetic energy to the piston. Please follow the exact mathematics. Once we accept the physics and mathematics, we can conclusively say that the moving air molecules can impart some of their kinetic energy to a tuning fork. If the pulsing or vibrating frequency is correct, a stationary tuning fork will be forced into sympathetic vibration.

This in NO way demonstrates what you are trying to show. The transfer of momentum by air molecules depends on the motion of the molecules being in phase with the fork. To an extent this will be true because of the pressure waves exerted by the source on the ambient air. However this energy COMES from the source, the energy they contained BEFORE the resonant state is what they have extra to impart. This extra, the kinetic present due to temperature and natural gas molecule movement, will both augment AND detract from the resonance. Some will impart momentum IN phase, and some will detract momentum (out of phase).

So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

If you really want to accomplish extra energy from resonance, you need develop a process where the BEMF falls outside the bandwidth of the source, or augments it.


I am very proficient in mathematics, please share with us your vigorous math. Keep in mind that an entire subset of classical physics (quantum mechanics, i know people could argue about subsets) has recently been shattered by an individual (Znidarsic) using high-school algebra. Revelation is simple, profound and should be explainable in a multitude of language by the receiver.

[ltseung888]

The Physics of a ball hitting a moving piston from front and behind

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered...


So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

*** Glad that you use the term probably. The vigorous physics and mathematics say otherwise. ***

Please refer to the posts related to the debate with MileHigh.

Scientific Debate with MileHigh - participants and moderator only

[ltseung888]

Tuning fork experiment in China

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered...


So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

*** Glad that you use the term probably. The vigorous physics and mathematics say otherwise. ***

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

[Armagdn03]

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

Good reply, thanks for pointing me to this, i will look it over.

[Armagdn03]

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

Yes you can do this with LCR circuits.

However you will have more results with a higher Q for your networks, so stay away from lumped element setups.

Instead, wind two air core toroids tuned to the exact same frequency. Excite one of them at its full wave frequency, giving two potential nodes and two potential peaks along its toroidal form.

Separate the second toroid by a distance (you may remain within the near field) and orient it so that the axis is orthogonal to the the first. This attempts to minimize mutual coupling.

Couple the toroids with a quarter wave transmission line.

Take care.