Found treasure, could use some advice

[Neight]

Ok, I have been doing a bit of research tonight on these old ignition coils, and have found some pretty interesting things, as well as some really funny mean pranks that people used to pull with these...

I also think I now know why the previous owner had these, and really wish I could talk to him, so he could tell me how to wire up the big box...

I found an image of some boxes that were remarkably similar to the big box i have that I still have not been able to identify. the photos that I found had more contacts than mine, though the contacts had a lot of the same markings on them as well (Int, GRD, one left unmarked, which the website author seemed to think was the high tension contact). what I found was an atwater kent ignition system. turns out atwater kent was much better known for their radios than their ignition systems. a lot of their radio designs are very similar in construction to this box, though i am now sure this box is some sort of coil, or master coil for the smaller ignition coil boxes in my videos.

here is the link to most of the most interesting uses for these coils. some of this stuff is pretty funny, some of it apparently now illegal, and some of it fairly useful if you are into radios...
Model T Ford Forum: Unusual Uses For Model T Ignition Coils

I did find one website that said these old ignition coils could be used to repair old audio transformers. turns out that the HV would arc from broken wires in the transformer, and could create enough heat to basically weld the contact back together internally. sounds dangerous to me, but it must have worked well enough that it was fairly common practice.

I found several sites that all said these coils were also used as components in some Radio B setups? (forgive me, I am not very well versed in radio history) which would explain why the previous owner had these coils, much of the gear he left behind was old radio equipment, and there is even a radio he built from scratch down here that still works, though it only gets one station, and not very well it seems he was likely using these in some form of radio setup, and also might explain why none of these have solder on the secondary contacts, as the photos I saw of them being used in radios didn't use this contact point either.

some of the more funny stories that i read...
high school seniors hooking a coil up the the iron hand rail at school on halloween when there were other students going through a haunted house setup. grab the rail and get a pretty nasty shock

one gas station owner who apperently got fed up with the local boys peeing on the side of his tin walled gas station, and hooked one up inside the shop so when the young fellas started to take a leak....well you can fill in the rest

there were several other prank stories, but most of them go along the same lines, bad suprise for anyone who put a hand or leaned on the wrong place...
a lot of it made me laugh pretty good

and judging by the prices you can find these things at on ebay, they are not uncommon either. I found some selling for less than $10 and in better shape than mine are in.

I still haven't identified the large box, though i have a much better idea of what it likely is, and I also have a clue that the contacts marked INT might just stand for interrupter, which would be quite useful if i can find any kind of wiring schematic that has similar contacts on it!

my quest continues...

N8

[Neight]

one post from the same forum as the link in my post above...

"A model T with a 6 volt battery and coils has about 6000 volt on the sparkplugs , and with the magneto 20000 volt , how is that with the
E-Timer ????? , when you use a 6 volt battery . "

6k-20k volts.... no wonder I am fusing reed switches
good to know...

[Slider2732]

Great stuff..here's another from that page:

We did some mean things as boys, one was rigging up a car to the tray at a drive in and shocking the poor car hop, some of them could cuss pretty good

I still haven't identified the large box

So, that box doesn't have doors and a windshield on it ?

I think a lot of the attraction of these over the years, was that they were in a box, not bolted to a car frame. Such that, you could take them anywhere.
Ignition coils are no forte of mine either, but I now wonder if a trip to the scrap yard might produce stupidly powerful similar items. I mean, think about what you might need for some V12 engines from years ago.

[Neight]

Great stuff..here's another from that page:



So, that box doesn't have doors and a windshield on it ?

I think a lot of the attraction of these over the years, was that they were in a box, not bolted to a car frame. Such that, you could take them anywhere.
Ignition coils are no forte of mine either, but I now wonder if a trip to the scrap yard might produce stupidly powerful similar items. I mean, think about what you might need for some V12 engines from years ago.

no doors or windshield, but I posted one of my videos up on my facebook page and a friend of mine asked me what I was doing with these coils, and I said just testing... he replied I should just build a model T and drive it. is it just me, or does that just sound like a waste of a perfectly good HV component

this search is proving very interesting, and is getting me into other branches of RE besides just magnetic motors, so no matter what I end up doing with them (build a car, or just some neat lights ) it will have been useful to me

[ZeropointEnergy]

Pranks

Ok, I have been doing a bit of research tonight on these old ignition coils, and have found some pretty interesting things, as well as some really funny mean pranks that people used to pull with these...

I also think I now know why the previous owner had these, and really wish I could talk to him, so he could tell me how to wire up the big box...

I found an image of some boxes that were remarkably similar to the big box i have that I still have not been able to identify. the photos that I found had more contacts than mine, though the contacts had a lot of the same markings on them as well (Int, GRD, one left unmarked, which the website author seemed to think was the high tension contact). what I found was an atwater kent ignition system. turns out atwater kent was much better known for their radios than their ignition systems. a lot of their radio designs are very similar in construction to this box, though i am now sure this box is some sort of coil, or master coil for the smaller ignition coil boxes in my videos.

here is the link to most of the most interesting uses for these coils. some of this stuff is pretty funny, some of it apparently now illegal, and some of it fairly useful if you are into radios...
Model T Ford Forum: Unusual Uses For Model T Ignition Coils

I did find one website that said these old ignition coils could be used to repair old audio transformers. turns out that the HV would arc from broken wires in the transformer, and could create enough heat to basically weld the contact back together internally. sounds dangerous to me, but it must have worked well enough that it was fairly common practice.

I found several sites that all said these coils were also used as components in some Radio B setups? (forgive me, I am not very well versed in radio history) which would explain why the previous owner had these coils, much of the gear he left behind was old radio equipment, and there is even a radio he built from scratch down here that still works, though it only gets one station, and not very well it seems he was likely using these in some form of radio setup, and also might explain why none of these have solder on the secondary contacts, as the photos I saw of them being used in radios didn't use this contact point either.

some of the more funny stories that i read...
high school seniors hooking a coil up the the iron hand rail at school on halloween when there were other students going through a haunted house setup. grab the rail and get a pretty nasty shock

one gas station owner who apperently got fed up with the local boys peeing on the side of his tin walled gas station, and hooked one up inside the shop so when the young fellas started to take a leak....well you can fill in the rest

there were several other prank stories, but most of them go along the same lines, bad suprise for anyone who put a hand or leaned on the wrong place...
a lot of it made me laugh pretty good

and judging by the prices you can find these things at on ebay, they are not uncommon either. I found some selling for less than $10 and in better shape than mine are in.

I still haven't identified the large box, though i have a much better idea of what it likely is, and I also have a clue that the contacts marked INT might just stand for interrupter, which would be quite useful if i can find any kind of wiring schematic that has similar contacts on it!

my quest continues...

N8

Hey N8,

I did say that the T-model Ford box was capable of HV and test the spark,
due to if plasma is 10mm, therfore it is around 25kV and components
can fuse or arc via mutual induction between coils.

I remember my Dad told my a story about when he used his T-box as an
electric fence, sounds like most people did
He said a 1960's 1.5V large phone company battery and a single wire hooked
up close to the ground was all. Simple enough, the wire and the
ground is just out of the range to ionize the air, and therfore if anything
contacts under these points, or shorted, it completes the circuit.
This was an efficient insect repellant camping I have been informed

Keep up the great work mate and I liked the youtube link.

Regards
Zero

[dR-Green]

N8, check out page 15 (page 14 of the scanned book)

George Trinkaus - Son of Tesla Coil.pdf

[mbrownn]

after studying that drawing and the box I opened up, that loop is the connection between the two secondary coils in the box.
I think there is one primary winding on the core, and two secondaries connected in series around the primary.

I have been doing some research and truly this is a special coil, a real treasure. Although its voltage will be low by today's standards you may find that its arc is particularly strong and can cross a bigger gap than expected. This is a true Tesla coil, if people built their Tesla coils like this they would be very impressed at the output compared to the traditional way.

Great find

[Farmhand]

Hey Guys, Have a look at the Anchient Egyptian Wall Carving in the PDF that dRGreen linked.

I've seen it plenty of times before but since I've been playing around with Tesla coils it is much more interesting.



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I marked this picture to show what I mean. The two guys holding the lights are wearing what looks like sunglasses to protect thier eye's.

The wires leading from the device "A" have a pattern in them that I see in my fluro tubes if I hold them near my tesla coil Transmitter. I can move the tube around and the pulse waves can go from one end to another or from the center to the ends depending on where the tube is gripped.

The stand "B" looks like a multiple disc terminal and the side arms resemble the little statue thing on top of the device "A". And the device "A" also looks like Tesla's "London" Coil or the dual secondary in oil coil.

And the little dog faced dude on the right hand side seems to be doing something while looking up.

I'll find the video with the pulsating waves on the fluro tube if I can and link it here by edit.

All in all it looks like a fairly sophistocated Tesla type lighting system. Or more likely a Tesla system is really actually an ancheint technology, they just forgot to Patent it.

Any thoughts. It is pretty cool to think that we are only playing with this and rediscovering it yet again, maybe.

Cheers

Edit: Here's the video with the dark pulse waves in it, I show a bit, faintly at about the 3 minute mark and again much better at about the 3:20 minute mark. Wow. Cool there will be plenty of others with Tesla coils that see it often too or have done.
AlternateFarmhand1's Channel - YouTube

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[Shadesz]

Ed repeatedly said he built coral castle because he knew 'the secretes of the pyramid builders'. Perhaps they knew more about electricity and magnetism than we realize. Cool find.

[dR-Green]

Very interesting observations Farmhand. The dog faced dude appears to be looking at the writing at the top - Does anyone know what that text says? His RIGHT foot is also forward - The Egyptians liked to use the left foot forward usually, and he looks like he's leaning against the wall. Could the top of device "A" and the object he's holding be forming a spark gap.

On closer inspection of device "B", the other one looks different and doesn't have the arms. Maybe the extra spacing represents a phase shift or some sort of differential in the potential between both terminals? Maybe the disks are spiral coils arranged on top of each other, possibly connected in series, parallel, or even operating at different frequencies to form specific differentials and complex interactions to get desired effects.

John Hutchison was apparently levitating objects by using two Tesla coils at different frequencies. I think that's the most simple way to explain it from what I've gathered. So that's the kind of perspective I'm looking at it from.

Those dudes holding the tube things are pretty huge, so maybe they're not beings at all but are a part of the device, like a huge tower. Could have been made of gold back then I suppose, so obviously would be nowhere to be seen these days. Or the people by their feet are tiny, I can't make out the ones on the right, but the one on the left seems to deliberately be doing something with a sphere. A wireless light? Such things would be useful inside the dark pyramids, especially if the pyramid is somehow connected into the whole energy thing they've got going on.

Maybe this will be of interest too, John Hutchison recreating what he believes the ark of the covenant is, which involves plenty of high voltage

Ark of the Covenant REVEALED - YouTube

I don't believe the "walking across the desert and developing a charge" theory though.

Nice setup you've got going on there btw Farmhand

[edit] I forgot, Hutchison also reported seeing spheres of light appearing in the room when the ark of the covenant replication was turned on, which were captured on film in the video above, and he posted still images of them somewhere on his web site. They're not on this page but maybe you'll find them somewhere on his web site, he's changed things since I last saw it.

Ark of the Covenant

[edit again] Could the difference in size between the people be symbolic of "gain" or amplification

[Farmhand]

I think I've seen that video but as a TV show. That Egyptian carving is very strange, at first I thought it must be fake, but as far as I know it's real.

Maybe the things that look like sunnies are symbolic eyebands or blindfolds or something because they were not supposed to see the carvings, maybe only the stone masons were allowed to see them.

Apparently there is no soot from fire type torches in the pyramids so electric lights make sense. The dog face dude does seem to be holding a knife shaped thing and leaning back. Maybe he was electrocuted and threw himself against the wall when he got shocked.

The light closer to the device "A" seems to be brighter and has two little guys working under it where the other light on the left only has one little worker.

That is a really good PDF some good info in there.

Cheers

EDIT: The hyroglyphs near the head of the left guy holding the tube looks different and more significant than the rest. It is by itself and is written vertically. A couple of those symbols look somehow familiar.

[Shadesz]

On a second quick glance, device A seems to be a pedestal with someone kneeling on it with their arms above their head. The thing on their head seems to be a ball similar to the one that the 'solo' person is holding.

Maybe object A is a place for royalty, or worship, or healing, or sacrifice?

[Farmhand]

On a second quick glance, device A seems to be a pedestal with someone kneeling on it with their arms above their head. The thing on their head seems to be a ball similar to the one that the 'solo' person is holding.

Maybe object A is a place for royalty, or worship, or healing, or sacrifice?

Good call Shadesz, Looks now like maybe the dog face dude is sacrificing one of his "kind" to the "Lightbringers" the little guy on the left with the ball is offering it to the big guy aswell, maybe the little guys are offering fruit or something even offering sacrifices to the big fellows.

Oh dear now it is stranger still.

[Shadesz]

Whether or not they understhood the science behind it, if they really did have it, where did it go? Did the mib back then successively supress it too?

[Iotayodi]

B-Transmitter A-Receiver ? Look at the ball. Dogface may be holding the light.
Great work Farmhand!
The 2 snakes. One facing forward the other behind. The pulsing of the flour tube would look like a snake crawling.