* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Savvypro]

Hi Savvypro,

Just a quick "heads-up" for you on the idea of making it yourself. The people who developed this product spent over $50M and 16 years to figure it out. The company has decided to manufacturing it themselves because it is easy to work on a batch for three days and still end up with nothing but salt water. To say that this product "lives in a very narrow window" is an understatement. So, do whatever you want and have a go at making it yourself. But I will tell you plainly. The probability of you turning salt water into a solution of 16 balanced redox molecules, even unstabilized, is vanishingly low, regardless of how much you think is revealed in the patents.

I assume that your line of logic for trying to make it yourself is to get the price down. Actually, the EASIEST way to get the product for free is to simply sign up for the Network Opportunity and find 5 people who just want the product for its benefits. If you do that, your product is paid for, AND you have access to the REAL STUFF without setting up a chemistry lab or running any experiments at all.

I am not trying to "sell you". You can do what you want. But I am trying to inform you that this company has already made it possible for anyone to get the product for free. Considering how much time and money it cost to develop this product in the first place, I think trying to make it yourself is not the way to get the price down, but really, the high cost road to NOT getting any at all!

That is just my personal opinion.

Peter

I wasn't saying it would be a walk in the park.

On getting it for free - I'm in the UK and unless distribution has started happening here in the last few days, I'm out of luck in terms of getting it for free.

[Aaron]

afa and spirulina

I wouldn't go as far as you in saying AFA is superior to spirulina.

This isn't the thread to discuss this but I'll just say that the biggest problem is that AFA can be a host for bacteria which can cause toxicity issues. I managed to find a test kit which was developed to test for the AFA toxicity. The results the company (who make the test kits), got weren't that good as they found that every afa sample, from different suppliers they tested (during the development of the test kit) had contamination.

Well, I'd say it is superior in ingredients and function as the clinical tests prove that in addition to personal experience.

Metals or toxins are another issue.

I'll personally continue to use AFA. If that bacterial toxins are in the all the afa samples - I'm sure that would include the commercially available products as you say, wouldn't you think the FDA would stop them on the spot as they look for every excuse they can find to stop a supplement.

But I see the claims for the same for spirulina too - has metals in it, etc... we'll, green foods are natural chelators, both afa and spirulina are chelators but are they releasing metals in the body or passing it through?

Then there is the point of is it naturally harvested or made in a controlled environment.

AFA is normally harvested from Klamath lake and E3Live has the best quality dried or fresh frozen from the lake. I have copies of all the assays somewhere - it is tested on an ongoing basis for purity and the independent assays do not show the bacteria.

In any case, I'd like to grow it myself sometime but too busy to think about it.

Anyway, the synergy with this health product is that the green food both afa and spirulina has some of the most bio available aminos for the brain to create the neurotransmitters at a high rate and this product is the very molecules necessary to cause the nerve impulses and to protect and repair the nerves to being with, which of course are in the brain as well - so neurotransmitters and signalers together. Can take brain function to a place where it has never been in my opinion.

[Neight]

The Secret teaches Ask Believe Receive - to me, that is really reinforcing poverty consciousness.

http://www.feelthevibe.com/synchronicity/synchronicity.pdf

Page 5 is my reasoning why.

Thanks for the link, I will check that out this evening! I am always up for new or more information!
I will say that I always felt like 'the secret' felt very incomplete to me. when I read the books by Robert Collier, there was more information, and it felt more close to what the truth is. I can't say it's the end all beat all answer, but it is full of good uplifting information. As I stated in my earlier post, I believe his books were one of the largest sources for the lady who wrote the secret, and after reading his version, I could tell for sure that her's was not complete.
I will say, Robert Collier's books are very Christian based, as I know that turns some people off. But I do believe that a lot of the reality of consciousness are laid out well in these books. It matches what I personally believe anyway, and that works well enough for me!
thanks again for sharing the link!

N8

[dR-Green]

I always heard "money doesn't grow on trees"

But money does grow on trees. You just have to plant what people want to buy

I totally agree about the victim consciousness issue. A part of what I originally wrote but deleted because it was getting a bit lengthy was that I'm not saying all that from a victim consciousness. I'm just aware of the situation and it sometimes makes me mad to watch it happen, I suppose awareness does come with a certain level of responsibility. I know that both sides are to blame as each other, and I especially can't stand being in the room when the news is on because all this crap happens and no one even WANTS to do anything about it. Some of them like to be the victim and they need all this mess to be able to complain about something.

So yes this comes into a part of the "problem" if you can call it that when a lot of the people actually love it. I came to the conclusion that war happens because the majority of people actually think it's acceptable, regardless of what they may say when asked. If they didn't then it couldn't happen. And the same is true of poverty and wealth. If the whole population really wanted those starving children to have food, they would give up all their money instantly. Not give it to the children to buy food with, but give up the whole concept of money. That would eradicate poverty. But they don't really want to eradicate poverty, because that would also eradicate wealth.

So there really are no victims here in the normal sense of the word. It's just a big game, and all the players don't want to be told that it's a game because they want to believe it. I think that if you try to teach a poor person who is intentionally playing the role of a poor person how to be rich, he will never become rich, he won't even really try because that's not the game he wanted to play. And so the opposite is true.

But saying such things as there are no victims in reality is a sensitive matter I suppose many of us here could easily think of ourselves as victims because of the deliberate suppression of basically everything we stand for, but then that totally takes the power and advantage away from us. On the other hand, we are not victims and doing exactly what is necessary of an empowered population by building devices and experimenting, and taking things into our own hands rather than waiting for it to be manufactured and produced on a shelf for one's consumer desires by some corporate figure.

Thanks for sharing the story and the link anyway

[Aaron]

the human problem

Thanks for the link, I will check that out this evening! I am always up for new or more information!
I will say that I always felt like 'the secret' felt very incomplete to me. when I read the books by Robert Collier, there was more information, and it felt more close to what the truth is. I can't say it's the end all beat all answer, but it is full of good uplifting information. As I stated in my earlier post, I believe his books were one of the largest sources for the lady who wrote the secret, and after reading his version, I could tell for sure that her's was not complete.
I will say, Robert Collier's books are very Christian based, as I know that turns some people off. But I do believe that a lot of the reality of consciousness are laid out well in these books. It matches what I personally believe anyway, and that works well enough for me!
thanks again for sharing the link!

N8

I'll look into Robert Collier - never read anything by him.

I'll read from people by every religion because they all have something to offer and are usually saying the same things that others from other religions are saying anyway.

Most of these principles are in the common Bible as well so not really anything new - just in a spiritual context.

BELOW IS A GENERAL POST TO NOBODY IN PARTICULAR

On that train of thought - Genesis perfectly explains why some people made up in their own mind what the call was about and disappointed themselves even though I never gave any qualifiers of what it was about. But I was blamed for deceiving them instead of them taking responsibility for themselves who took it upon themselves to make up in their own mind what it was supposed to be about. Their disappointments were 100% from their own expectations. That autopilot reasoning mechanism in the mind is on runaway mode and that is the root of all problems in this world. Until people learn to become the master of it instead of a slave, the suffering in this world will continue until the end of time.

Adam is the conscious thinker (not autopilot reasoner) - Eve (soul of man) is tempted by the serpent (carnal reasoning mind) to eat the apple (judge something based on our own reasoning that is drawn from our language definitions and perceptions) - taking something out of its originality. That's why the serpent is the GREAT DECEIVER. It is between everyone's ears and we are convinced that that the automatic voice in our head is us. Greatest trick ever pulled so I hear lol

Something is just what it is, period. And when we use reasoning to judge it and give meaning to it, we are simply lying to ourselves and creating an illusion that we believe as reality. That is how "satan" has dominion over this world. 100% of the human species are literally delusional to varying degrees and it kicks in about 5 years old when we decide that the illusionary identity we create for ourselves based on the name we're given and the personality we develop is who we really are - instead of the innate self that was there from the beginning - that is our original self unadulterated. We're living in a made up holodeck of deception and most of us don't even know it.

What were free energy researchers dancing around the edges of?

That is the only thing I said.

People can't even take responsibility for themselves that THEY created as a figment of their own imagination what the call was about. They blame others for deceiving themselves. Whether or not money is part of the issue or not, having to contend with the snake between the ears is something that isn't going away - anytime soon. When people can see things as they are without deluding themselves and causing their own suffering, we'll probably be welcome amongst the rest of the universe and I believe there are others patiently waiting for us to pop our heads out of you know where.

Someone emailed me today tell me that I deceived him because HE is the one that thought the call was about battery charging. I said from the beginning that the battery secret was NOT the subject of the call, it was going to be a free bonus as a thank you for being on the call.

Someone else said it was supposed to be about hydrogen production - well, it actually is a part of it, but the hydrogen production increase is a mention in the battery secret, which they got as promised.

Someone else thought it was about a self running motor - I have no idea what is going through this person's mind - I didn't reply because I'm at a loss for words on that one.

An overwhelming majority of the responses I got was very positive in both pm's to me and emails as well as people all over North America that were on the call that joined as customers or joined the business because it simply made sense to them.

I am still responding to phone calls and emails AND there are still people signing up on the list even though the call is over.

[Aaron]

sustainability

I came to the conclusion that war happens because the majority of people actually think it's acceptable, regardless of what they may say when asked. If they didn't then it couldn't happen. And the same is true of poverty and wealth. If the whole population really wanted those starving children to have food, they would give up all their money instantly.

Good point on war and it applies to everything we claim to not like. People in general are so beat down into being complacent and are challenged to participate in changing things when they are struggling paycheck to paycheck.

I'm not sure about them giving away their money. A friend of mine was the head of govt strategic alliances for cisco systems. Then she got out and started an AIDS research foundation, etc... one of the most passionate people I know.

The only sustainable method for helping small villages is not to donate money but to teach them to be self sustainable. If someone has a lot of money, they can setup a business and teach the locals how entrepreneurial skills and help make contacts to give an outlet for their products and services. That way they know how to fish so to speak. This can be done on a small grassroots level in plenty of places. Just giving them donations can help short term when needed but long term they need a local sustainable business model.

However, on a national level in many countries, it is difficult while the world banks cast their dark shadow over underdeveloped countries - keeping them in debt and milking money out of their economy making them poorer. They prevent the locals from farming at prices that can compete with the cheap garbage food coming in from the US and elsewhere that make the gmo companies, etc... loads of profits.

But getting rid of the entire money system - if we did that right now with the level of spiritual evolution that mankind collectively is at right now, we would self destruct into a wasteland.

I think Mankind has to spiritually evolve first to realize who we innately are and after that is accomplished, the money system will take care of itself without having to focus any energy on it. Shining a light instead of cursing the dark so to speak.

[Aaron]

grows on trees

But money does grow on trees. You just have to plant what people want to buy

I'm going to use that one sometime

[dR-Green]

I'm not sure about them giving away their money.

By that I mean basically what you were getting at, in that sending money to charity only sustains the problem, it doesn't solve it, but it makes people feel good in the meantime which allows the problem to continue. And so on. Also, by getting rid of "wealth", you would at the same time get rid of "poverty". Maybe on a practical level that can't work in one move, but I believe the point still stands. If collectively the whole population said "right, we're going to put an end to all this starvation and poverty in the world, if they don't have money then I'm not going to use it either", then poverty, at least monetary poverty, would come to an end. Because like two poles of a magnet, get rid of the south and you simultaneously get rid of the north. They can't exist independently, and that is the real solution to poverty, among many other things.

Then again it always gets deeper and deeper and I suppose the key word here is "monetary" poverty - no doubt something else will manifest itself if we got rid of that.

I assume I'm preaching to the choir here though. But I'll have to add this just because of how ridiculous it all was and I think it serves as a good example. There was some program on the BBC a few months ago, Blood Sweat and Luxuries, where pretty well-off British people went and stayed in various poor villages to work for a week, to see where the luxuries they take for granted really came from. These people were living in mud huts, paying some guy rent, so they could work on his field and make him a lot of money (relatively), while they could barely afford to even pay the rent to be able to keep doing that. They were surrounded by forests and fields, nature all around them. But it didn't cross their minds to say to hell with this guy's hut, let's go and build our own over there where we don't have to pay rent. And they literally spend their lives just doing that over and over.

Now, I'm sure there are many obstacles that I'm not aware of from the comfort of my room, but still. The thought that they'll just continue to do that over and over rather than getting a new idea is just beyond me. But the solution seems so simple and so easily within their reach if they really wanted it.

And another thing which is shown openly as if you're supposed to be aware of it, not only in that program but in many others, these "foreigners" who discover some mineral in some country, like those people who go round looking for potential oil drilling sites and minerals etc. They'll employ the locals to do the work, because, hell there's no other jobs around which means no competition which in business terms means pretty much do whatever the hell you like, so no worries about workers revolting or demanding more money there. And they'll claim all that's a good thing because the locals now have jobs and money coming in, their poor little country is being developed. (Another word for the Borg's assimilated I think is what they mean). But they fail to mention that those workers are getting paid peanuts to extract their own wealth from their land, and voluntarily hand it over to someone else who already had enough funding to go all over the world searching for and finding these minerals in such remote locations. They will literally extract billions of dollars worth of wealth from the land, develop that country as far as is required to efficiently get the product out of there, and when it's depleted, just leave all the mess behind and walk out. Then in 10 years, maybe 50 years time, all hell will break loose and there'll be war everywhere, and we'll have to go in and liberate them like all the other poor primitive societies who have nothing because we took it all. After selling them the weapons and making a bit of money there and ensuring that they are in debt before we even begin of course Let's just not mention what was taken from their land. The workers worked for their wages and they were paid for the job. All is fair and even

Ok, now I'm really rambling. It's just good to share the frustrations once in a while. I don't know what I hope to achieve by saying it, but it helps me to explain things to myself if nothing else. At least there's some sense to be found in the fact that nothing makes sense

I think Mankind has to spiritually evolve first to realize who we innately are and after that is accomplished, the money system will take care of itself without having to focus any energy on it. Shining a light instead of cursing the dark so to speak.

Agreed. I believe this also applies to politics and a lot of other things. I've been accused of being an Illuminati shill because I'm not against them, or the government, or whatever. They don't get the concept of walking away and letting it collapse on its own accord, with NO external effort whatsoever, no need to fight it or protest against it, because the whole thing is built on unstable foundations. It doesn't need to be forced. It just has to be left to do what is inevitable. It's just the unfortunate timing, we've arrived right at the start of it

I'm going to use that one sometime

lol, you're welcome

[Aaron]

opportunity

When people do evolve, I agree it applies to politics, etc... everything. The trend is in that direction I believe because people are more openly searching for deeper meaning more than ever before - waking up so to speak.

For people's immediate money situations, there are a lot of options.

Network marketing is one of many but is the easiest way for the average person with no business skills to compete on a level playing fields and and build a serious business with a comfortable income - if they have the right training that is. Just to bring it back to topic.

I've seen millionaires come into network marketing and completely fail because they thought their business skills in other areas would apply to network marketing and they found out the hard way.

I swore it off for the last 6 years - always wanted to get back in it but had to be the right thing and this is definitely it. Wasn't interested in telecom or another magical juice.

The manufacturing process is using something similar to something else that is near and dear to me and it perfectly synergizes with PATHS. Like everything I've done was preparation for it.

Anyway, since I have living expenses... I need to earn it from somewhere and I choose to earn it by only being involved with things that I believe make a difference in people's lives. Health, energy, housing, consciousness and agriculture - that is all I am interested in. My bachelors is in natural health and I've been more seriously involved with health and healing longer than anything else I've spent time on.

While most other health related network companies are shrinking, this one is growing. In another year or two, many distributors selling the antioxidant juices for example are going to be embarrassed to be selling them once it becomes common knowledge that they're almost all worthless with this product.

For those of you interested, your consideration is greatly appreciated.

For those of you who are somehow scorned by network marketing, I'm not in a position to try to convince anyone.

All I know is that it is one of the greatest industries in the world IF the person has the right training. My team is composed of the top of the top and our training is unbeatable. And I teach what no company in the industry teaches about leads, etc... It is a privilege to work with the leadership in this company.

[dR-Green]

Just to bring it back to topic.

I have a question regarding all this (the company in question) seeing as I'm in the UK and can't do it the usual way. It's nearly 6am now though so I'll send you a PM tomorrow.

Good night, or good morning everyone

[Aaron]

ok

I have a question regarding all this (the company in question) seeing as I'm in the UK and can't do it the usual way. It's nearly 6am now though so I'll send you a PM tomorrow.

Good night, or good morning everyone

Ok, looking forward to it.

[nilrehob]

The one that has some wires crossing and looked like a Swastika. Go ahead and repost in the time machine thread if you find it.

I believe you followed the Benitez ideas to come up with that - maybe not, but the school of thought is the same I believe.

OK, ill look it up, cool!

/Hob

[Savvypro]

I'll look into Robert Collier - never read anything by him.

Seriously, not even the letter book. When it comes to marketing and advertising - Robert Collier is one of the horses mouths (as it were) to learn from.

I'll read from people by every religion because they all have something to offer and are usually saying the same things that others from other religions are saying anyway.

Most of these principles are in the common Bible as well so not really anything new - just in a spiritual context.

BELOW IS A GENERAL POST TO NOBODY IN PARTICULAR

On that train of thought - Genesis perfectly explains why some people made up in their own mind what the call was about and disappointed themselves even though I never gave any qualifiers of what it was about. But I was blamed for deceiving them instead of them taking responsibility for themselves who took it upon themselves to make up in their own mind what it was supposed to be about. Their disappointments were 100% from their own expectations. That autopilot reasoning mechanism in the mind is on runaway mode and that is the root of all problems in this world. Until people learn to become the master of it instead of a slave, the suffering in this world will continue until the end of time.

Adam is the conscious thinker (not autopilot reasoner) - Eve (soul of man) is tempted by the serpent (carnal reasoning mind) to eat the apple (judge something based on our own reasoning that is drawn from our language definitions and perceptions) - taking something out of its originality. That's why the serpent is the GREAT DECEIVER. It is between everyone's ears and we are convinced that that the automatic voice in our head is us. Greatest trick ever pulled so I hear lol

Something is just what it is, period. And when we use reasoning to judge it and give meaning to it, we are simply lying to ourselves and creating an illusion that we believe as reality. That is how "satan" has dominion over this world. 100% of the human species are literally delusional to varying degrees and it kicks in about 5 years old when we decide that the illusionary identity we create for ourselves based on the name we're given and the personality we develop is who we really are - instead of the innate self that was there from the beginning - that is our original self unadulterated. We're living in a made up holodeck of deception and most of us don't even know it.

What were free energy researchers dancing around the edges of?

That is the only thing I said.

That is the problem, especially when you use this marketing technique. You know that people will make assumptions. Therefor you either use disqualifiers to state what it isn't, while still leaving a bit of mystery or qualifiers - but then you give the game away. This is basic sales letter writing technique. When you use a question especially an open ended question, you always make sure that the answer is going to be the answer you want - otherwise you get the situation that took place.

People can't even take responsibility for themselves that THEY created as a figment of their own imagination what the call was about. They blame others for deceiving themselves. Whether or not money is part of the issue or not, having to contend with the snake between the ears is something that isn't going away - anytime soon. When people can see things as they are without deluding themselves and causing their own suffering, we'll probably be welcome amongst the rest of the universe and I believe there are others patiently waiting for us to pop our heads out of you know where.

Someone emailed me today tell me that I deceived him because HE is the one that thought the call was about battery charging. I said from the beginning that the battery secret was NOT the subject of the call, it was going to be a free bonus as a thank you for being on the call.

Someone else said it was supposed to be about hydrogen production - well, it actually is a part of it, but the hydrogen production increase is a mention in the battery secret, which they got as promised.

Someone else thought it was about a self running motor - I have no idea what is going through this person's mind - I didn't reply because I'm at a loss for words on that one.

Only tool = hammer
All problems = nails

An overwhelming majority of the responses I got was very positive in both pm's to me and emails as well as people all over North America that were on the call that joined as customers or joined the business because it simply made sense to them.

I am still responding to phone calls and emails AND there are still people signing up on the list even though the call is over.

[elias]

I agree with you Aaron, that we cannot eliminate money without eliminating poverty consciousness, very true. Thank you for sharing your life story, it is inspiring.

[Aaron]

@Savvypro

Seriously, not even the letter book. When it comes to marketing and advertising - Robert Collier is one of the horses mouths (as it were) to learn from.



That is the problem, especially when you use this marketing technique. You know that people will make assumptions. Therefor you either use disqualifiers to state what it isn't, while still leaving a bit of mystery or qualifiers - but then you give the game away. This is basic sales letter writing technique. When you use a question especially an open ended question, you always make sure that the answer is going to be the answer you want - otherwise you get the situation that took place.



Only tool = hammer
All problems = nails

Just because you think Robert Collier is the horse's mouth - that only means it is the horse's mouth to you. There is Elmer Wheeler and plenty of others and many schools of thoughts that work. Gary Halbert is THE undisputed king of sales copy and earned more per letter than anyone else alive during his time (he died a few years ago) in the copyrighted industry and that includes Jay Abraham and plenty of others.

My banner isn't from Gary Halbert, but just pointing out that Robert Collier is not the only game in town.

You tell me all this apparently coming from experience, but what I want to know is, what kind of success do you have in network marketing at this very moment?

You say you had success and some failure - we all have, but what is your best success? I'm not asking for $ amount, what is the size of your biggest network that you personally built in network marketing and what company was it?

Since you seem to know the best way to do things, I'm sure you'll have some impressive results.