* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

@Patrick

Minoly, send you pm.

[Savvypro]

@Aaron

So what are the patent numbers behind the product?

This happens to synergize with algae for the brain and in my opinion and experience, makes PATHS more effective - that is very exciting for me.

Which algae are you referring to (afa?). As it's on my list of algae to grow just need to get a viable sample.

[elias]

Incredible! If even a small portion of people follow your example, we will be well on our way to making the changes we all know need to happen!
bless you elias, you are truly one of the saints the future generations should remember!

N8

Come on, this is only a simple prayer ... I needed to help myself lift my vibration, so I posted it. Sometimes we fall into the trap of criticizing each other, and prayer is a useful tool to help us let it go. I shared it publicly to amplify its effect.

[toranarod]

What if it works

Redox Forum

I am treating it like the RomeroUK replication and ever other device I have come across. If I can get first hand experience I spend the money on the hardware test the design and evaluate it for my self. I then write it up on a forum.
Why should this be any different?
I have a few aches and pains. I also am a runner and bike rider I know my limit and endurances. I have a good yard stick to test this against. I also do a lot of computer programming. So I will test my cognitive skills. There is this algorithm I have wanted to write for a while. So this stuff should help.
I will present a full repot when I am done.
What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems.
The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem not that it will fail is that it will be better than expected.

[elias]

Aaron, just as a synchronicity for me in all of this that I did not mention is the beautiful hexagons, in the front page of your product. I was chasing after them everywhere. Seems to me that they are the building blocks of life and existence as whole:

[Peter Lindemann]

Better than advertised

Redox Forum

What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems. The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem, not that it will fail, but that it will be better than expected.

Dear Toranarod,

I see you feel free to share your fears, so I would like to address them. From my experience, the product actually IS better than they can claim. On top of that, the US Government and the FDA know all about it! The company is in regular contact with people at FDA. The fact is, this product does not currently fall into ANY CATEGORY of substance that the FDA regulates. It is not a food. It is not a drug. It is not a nutraceutical. In fact, it is the first edible substance ever created that is listed as being "native to the body". It is the very first substance ever proven in laboratory tests to have 0% toxicity. That means it is safer to drink than fresh water!

Please don't be afraid that this product is real and that something extraordinarily good is happening in the world to make it available to you. Just take advantage of it. Perhaps all of your fears WON'T come true. You don't know the future. It's not written yet!

Let me give you an example from my own life. Back in the mid-1990s, I was one of the first people to start making Colloidal Silver Machines so people could make Colloidal Silver for themselves. I was afraid that the FDA would shut me down, so I didn't advertise or try to produce a high profile. Because of my fear, three things happened. 1) I never made very much money, 2) all of my competitors stole all of my innovative design features, and 3) since the FDA never did shut down the industry, I lost a golden opportunity to help more people and make a decent living. In the end, the FDA didn't need to shut me down, because my own fear shut me down.

I vowed I would never do that to myself again. With this product, I have every confidence that it will remain available indefinitely into the future and spread to every corner of the globe to produce the highest possible benefit for everyone.

Peter

[Savvypro]

Redox Forum

I am treating it like the RomeroUK replication and ever other device I have come across. If I can get first hand experience I spend the money on the hardware test the design and evaluate it for my self. I then write it up on a forum.
Why should this be any different?
I have a few aches and pains. I also am a runner and bike rider I know my limit and endurances. I have a good yard stick to test this against. I also do a lot of computer programming. So I will test my cognitive skills. There is this algorithm I have wanted to write for a while. So this stuff should help.
I will present a full repot when I am done.
What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems.
The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem not that it will fail is that it will be better than expected.

The simple solution is to learn how to make it yourself. Based on the patents that I've found so far (and a quick read of the main one for the product) it just looks like basic electrolysis.

On the issue of stabilisation, for a diy solution - you wouldn’t need to be able to stabilise the solution for a year. A couple of weeks to a month would be an ideal length, unless you wanted to sell it - then the ability to make it stable for up to a year would be useful.

[Neight]

Come on, this is only a simple prayer ... I needed to help myself lift my vibration, so I posted it. Sometimes we fall into the trap of criticizing each other, and prayer is a useful tool to help us let it go. I shared it publicly to amplify its effect.

You hit two keywords that I happen to have a lot of belief in, simple and prayer! And the fact that you shared it publicly is also amazing to me, a lot of people are not willing to share that side of themselves in public. perhaps I was a bit over the top in my response, but you earned a lot of respect in my eyes for sharing a prayer like that with the forum. It is thinking exactly like that that we need to move forward. more spiritual and less carnal.
as I said to patrick, I was simply trying to be uplifting and supportive myself
thanks for sharing

N8

[WeThePeople]

Look, I don't care what your income was before this,
$80~ a liter for water is a step up anyone would make.

Thats a friggin no-brainer...

Second, this stuff seems real and actually provides benifit.

So that outweights almost all endeavers previous.

But plainly,
has utilizing the benifits of this product's exposure
(water / post-processing)
via any of the Rife followers like Sky David's device
currently available to test against a test sample ?

You may find that this product is only half way there sir.

In fact, I project that I am correct.

Produce=yes, stabalize=yes, interactive=currently no.

It should be made responsive to the person next.

I suspect this is a stigmata water until released
utilizing above methods on making it universally healthy.

I meant the last part very politely,
please consider this without knee-jerk.

I was pissed at the fact that I expected an energy solution,
a solution that was preposed by many people in the forum,
and that you DID NOT correct making you guilty of a lie,
by ommision.

I'm past that now,
I just won't trust you.

You chose to not condemm me for my comments,
so I think we are even on this so far (I hope).

But this has to many positives now
to not contribute towards this outcome.

Water cannot exist,
it just cannot exist.

If you understand this statement truely,
then you also realize how much we don't know.

the water may contain a fair balance of stabilized species,
but the ATP command structure is not present to aclimate to the person.

I spell like crap, always will,
I'm missing the entire right side of my brain from and injury,
so you can pick on my if you want.

I'm not saying the injury is why I spell bad,
seems "odd" smart people do (Do the research)

But I am THE EXACT person that is looking
for this solution correctly balanced for consumption.

Hope I've been more polite,
and to the point this time.

And to Peter,
The short term benifits are a deal-maker,
your not ancient, so I hope to live long enough to see
the long term effects of this product on you.

I cannot possibly afford $80 a liter
as a SSI-Disabled income person.

Thats just insane...

[Peter Lindemann]

The Simple Solution

The simple solution is to learn how to make it yourself. Based on the patents that I've found so far (and a quick read of the main one for the product) it just looks like basic electrolysis.

On the issue of stabilisation, for a diy solution - you wouldn’t need to be able to stabilise the solution for a year. A couple of weeks to a month would be an ideal length, unless you wanted to sell it - then the ability to make it stable for up to a year would be useful.

Hi Savvypro,

Just a quick "heads-up" for you on the idea of making it yourself. The people who developed this product spent over $50M and 16 years to figure it out. The company has decided to manufacturing it themselves because it is easy to work on a batch for three days and still end up with nothing but salt water. To say that this product "lives in a very narrow window" is an understatement. So, do whatever you want and have a go at making it yourself. But I will tell you plainly. The probability of you turning salt water into a solution of 16 balanced redox molecules, even unstabilized, is vanishingly low, regardless of how much you think is revealed in the patents.

I assume that your line of logic for trying to make it yourself is to get the price down. Actually, the EASIEST way to get the product for free is to simply sign up for the Network Opportunity and find 5 people who just want the product for its benefits. If you do that, your product is paid for, AND you have access to the REAL STUFF without setting up a chemistry lab or running any experiments at all.

I am not trying to "sell you". You can do what you want. But I am trying to inform you that this company has already made it possible for anyone to get the product for free. Considering how much time and money it cost to develop this product in the first place, I think trying to make it yourself is not the way to get the price down, but really, the high cost road to NOT getting any at all!

That is just my personal opinion.

Peter

[WeThePeople]

I guess I'm a bit ripped on this content because I truely believe that water-phenomina tells us more than we are taking at face value.

Water is amaizing, period.

[dR-Green]

It's getting a little soppy around here these days isn't it?

But in my intended context - basically means my time isn't free and I'm not interesting in working on a volunteer basis or being dependent on donations for my work. Because if I did, I'd wind up on the streets and would be broke and homeless and that would be a part of the problem.

It is easier to "get ahead" in this country that it is to get a regular job and "work for a living" because there is less competition.

And, money is the most easily renewable resource, which unfortunately most people don't get.

Yes I took what you said a bit out of context, what I said wasn't a direct response but a mini rant at the system based on where the conversation was going. I don't like it when money issues come up and have to hold my tongue because, well let's just say that I agree that money is the most renewable resource, and yet most people don't seem to have any of it.

I won't claim to be doing anything "important" to humanity, although I suppose like most people here I like to think I'm contributing in some way and not simply being a "consumer" to literally consume all resources of earth, so I like to think I'm working on leaving the planet in a slightly better state than when I arrived, or at least minimise the damage caused by me while I'm here, or whichever way you want to look at it, otherwise why bother. So I'm glad I'm able to build and do the experiments I've been doing. But in reality, I'm only in the position to do that because I'm fortunate to be living with my parents who have done pretty well and can afford to have me here while I figure out what to do. And this is what makes me mad about the world, to think of what is NOT being done, because "money", a supposed CONVENIENCE, is standing in the way. I mean, how many people with good ideas and abilities are out there, but are living on the street, or don't have the time or money to be contributing to humanity in an UNIQUE way, that no one but them could do, because they have to continue to pay the bills and made up taxes. And then money is just an idea, so we are prevented from what could potentially be a giant leap in evolution in a short period of time, because this silly idea stands in the way. We're stuck in a circle

Well I suppose here you see why I held my tongue in the first place But to balance things out, as against the concept of money that I am, the one argument FOR it that I've heard that I must agree with, is that money regulates our usage of finite resources. I mean, imagine what would happen if the oil and coal and all that cost nothing, based on our current level of consciousness. The only thing that's preventing complete destruction is money.

Although I find this interesting: The people who spend their lives working for money never seem to have any of it, but the people who simply store the workers' money and sit there and do nothing beyond, have more of it than all the workers combined. Time to wake up.

[WeThePeople]

Hi Savvypro,
The people who developed this product
spent over $50M and 16 years to figure it out.

True, but like the 26-million dollar "drug"
(the cost of the first pill/caplet)
ability to produce sucessive administrations
cost almost under a friggin $1

So the question is:
while they be like aspirin and fix cost @ <$1,
or will they charge a division of the research
like almost all overpriced drugs currently on the market
to cover the research costs over the course of time.

Sorry, eat the research,
charge the manufacturing,
plus fair marketing costs,
period.

I bet that isn't $80/Liter

For the record,
this is the FIRST time I have ever in my life
not accepted your answer as acceptable.

You are the very man that energy reasearch should not loose,
to a persuit to the following of a water industry like this.

It will develop without you, we will loose hugely without you.

Do I insult you by accusing you of chosing profit
over energy technology research to come sir ?

This is admittadly a bit pissy, but I'm right.

We can't afford to have you follow this...

[Peter Lindemann]

Real Price

I cannot possibly afford $80 a liter
as a SSI-Disabled income person.

Dear WE...,

I'm not sure how you calculated the price here, but 1 case of the product has four 32 ounce bottles, which is 128 ounces. The wholesale price is $120/case, plus shipping and tax. It arrives at my door for about $143 per case. So, that is about $36/liter. This is comparably priced with many of the "exotic juice" products, like Xango and others.

I have already explained to Savvypro how to get the product for free, so the price is optional, regardless of what it is.

You are welcome to exclude yourself from those who benefit from this product if you wish, but the price is similar to many other products on the market that do far less, and the requirements to get the product for free are the lowest I have ever seen.

Peter

[nilrehob]

Nilrehob had one diagram that is the closest that I saw anyone get but his was for a different purpose

I did?
Which one?

/Hob