* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Mark]

Good luck Patrick, I hope everything works out for you.

I'm taking 4oz twice a day now and have been for about 2 weeks. No noticeable improvement, I've actually may have regressed some. My feet are bothering me again, the palms of my hands have a rash now, back is hurting and my blood pressure has gone up. I may have contacted some kind of a virus that may be causing the additional symptoms, I have an appointment with my doctor on Monday.

[minoly]

update:
as of last week, I increased my dosage from 2oz twice a day to 3 oz 3 times a day. I feel like I am able to eat things that would set off my stones in the past, however, I have not pushed it by eating bacon, ribs, hamburgers, or chicken wings. I don't think I will ever take these back up even if I do resolve the stones.

I still have my hopes up... my appt with surgeon for gallstones is 2 weeks from now when they will do another ultrasound. the proof, as always, will be in the pudding

I will post more pictures as there are changes/improvements to post.
still no black roots...

Patrick

[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

In exactly 2.5 hours from now, at 6pm pacific time, you can
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[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

Anyone can register for the free redox book if they don't have it yet at
Health Power Update - Critial Announcement coming soon!

Link will be emailed out tomorrow night after the presentation.

Anyone can listen in tomorrow night at 6pm pacific time:
Dial in: 641.715.3842 - Access code: 4727726#

I'd log on 5 minutes before hand and introduce yourself as you come on
and say you are a guest of Energetic Forum (or me). This is a live call
and they may open up for questions.

[Aaron]

orp readings don't apply

Aaron,

I don't get it...

I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. Can you give any more explanation? Because as it appears right now...it measures worse than a soda and is high on the oxidation scale!


Please help, Brent

You're assuming that everything that is needed and can be measured would be available in the solution you are measuring.

If you have an antioxidant solution and measure negative, that appears to be the only story but it isn't. That means that solution is negatively charged but that is out of context of what happens when it is in the body.

Those antioxidants go into the body and with such a high surplus of them if you have a high ORAC antioxidant for example, those will use up the RS molecules produced by the mitochondria - then there is a short supply of RS molecules left to activate the naturally produced antioxidants in the body like glutathione and SOD.

Each of those exogenous antioxidants neutralize ONE free radical then turn into a free radical itself so the net neutralization is looking bleak. That high negatively charged solution just appeared to prevent the natural antioxidants from being able to be activated, which if they were activated if the RS supply wasn't interfered with (with an inferior antioxidant), together with catalase, the natural ones can neutralize MANY antioxidants without turning into a free radical themselves (which is what all exogenous antioxidants do - with the exception of one).

So you start with a high negative ORP reading and the net effect is very minor - there is some benefit but a drop in the ocean compared to the body simply using what it makes on its own.

With the redox signaling molecules, it can show a positive as you say - HOWEVER, this molecular combination causes the body's glutathione, sod and catalase to get seriously boosted and with all the RS molecules supplied by the drink, each antioxidant is not only boosted but made over 500% more effective (because of the high RS supply). Therefore, you just started with a solution that has a positive reading and wound up with more (WAY WAY MORE) net benefit in the body than a liquid that initially showed a negative reading.

ORP readings are not where it is at. Baking soda water can be good for us. Measure that on an ORP meter - very negatively charged. If it was all about a negative ORP, we could all drink baking soda water and forget about the rest but we know that won't work. Good stuff, but has certain limited applications.

Basically, this turns the entire ORP concept on its ear because it DOES NOT APPLY to the redox signaling molecules solution.

It is a waste of time to take exogenous supplements that are antioxidants for the sake of having antioxidants when you have redox signaling molecules. Neutralizing ONE free radical compared to the naturally produced ones with a high RS supply from the drink can neutralize 70,000 per second.

1 vs. 70,000 - there is no comparison.

So just to clarify, the ORP reading in and of itself is completely useless. It has to take into consideration what the reaction is in the body once the substance is ingested. Does it or does it not greatly stimulate the body's own antioxidants that can then be activated by the very drink that may show a positive reading?

Redox SIGNALING molecules - this is the body's cellular communicators at the cellular level - these are the very molecules the cells need to communicate repair or replace, activate antioxidants, trigger the gene to produce glutathione, signaling the immune system, etc...

To analyze this molecular solution by taking into account whether or not it is an antioxidant or not is not just looking at one side of the story, it isn't looking at the right story because these molecules are NOT antioxidants themselves and are not intended to be.

That is why these go light years beyond Kangen water or any kind of antioxidant product on the market.

There are about 300 published studies on redox signaling per month coming out in the journals. Each study is an average of 8 months work. Calculate that to see the significance of what medical science is focusing on and the significance the scientific world sees in redox signaling.

This is light years beyond antioxidants or ORP readings.

[Aaron]

book update

Is your new game changing announcement on Sept 29th the same as your game changing announcement of Aug 4th? Is the new book the same as the one we got for listening to the Aug 4th announcement?

Thanks, Carroll

There is an extra chapter and quite a bit has been rewritten.

[BrentA929]

ORP Meter

Aaron,

I don't get it...

I'm really trying to wrap my head around this. Can you give any more explanation? Because as it appears right now...it measures worse than a soda and is high on the oxidation scale!


Please help, Brent

Hi Brent,

The ORP does not account for the antioxidants that are part of the equation
that get activated when the product is ingested. Those antioxidants are
produced in your own body and do not come from the product itself but are
stimulated from the product.

[citfta]

Is your new game changing announcement on Sept 29th the same as your game changing announcement of Aug 4th? Is the new book the same as the one we got for listening to the Aug 4th announcement?

Thanks, Carroll

[Aaron]

orp meter

Hi Brent,

The ORP does not account for the antioxidants that are part of the equation
that get activated when the product is ingested. Those antioxidants are
produced in your own body and do not come from the product itself but are
stimulated from the product.

[BrentA929]

ORP Meter

Aaron,

Have been on the product for about a week and a half now...

Since, I don't have any real symptoms, I have been trying to gauge my chemistry by taking my pH levels every morning before I eat or drink anything while being on the redox signaling molecules. Just using pH paper and testing my urine, I have seen my levels fluctuate between 6.6 and 7.2. Not bad (a little acidic) if I understand correctly that 7.2 is neutral. I would expect that to probably rise the longer I take ASEA.

I have also recently tested the product with an ORP (Oxidation/Reduction Potential) meter. The readings show +738 on the ORP meter and a pH level of 5.5, both of which are the exact opposite of what I was expecting. Can you elaborate on what I have found?

Found some good charts...






***FYI...not an advocate of Kangen water. Just like their charts***

Many thanks, Brent

[Aaron]

convention - 15 ounces a day

Another post about the trip to the convention. I only have so much time to do this:

http://www.redoxforum.com/blogs/aaron-murakami/46-asea-convention-2011-part-2.html

[Mark]

Aaron,

Thanks for the suggestion of changing the time I take my night time dose. The last 2 nights I only woke up once or twice and fell a sleep much faster than normal. I usually wake up 10 times during the night. I slept 8 hours last night and actually feel groggy this morning, like a slept too long.

Mark

[Mark]

Mark,

I wish I had some photographs to show you. First off, my wife and I don't take a lot of pictures, and as we aged (I'm now 60) we certainly weren't trying to document how old we looked! LOL My beard is definitely getting darker, and the process became noticeable sometime late in the 2nd month. I took 4 oz per day for about 2 months, at which point I started taking 6 oz per day, then 8 oz per day and am now taking 4 oz three times a day. The more I take the better I feel.

Most of the benefits are internal, including better strength and agility, with less discomfort. My sugar cravings have absolutely disappeared, I am taking fewer supplements and losing weight.

Having met the founders and the scientist who stabilized the product, I know what this is and why I am going to stay on it!

Peter

Peter,

I have both of your motor secrets videos, the most recent which was only produced a year or so ago so I am only asking for a current picture of you which I could easily compare to see the changing in your hair color.

Thanks,
Mark

[Peter Lindemann]

Slow and Steady Progress

Ya, come on Peter I would also like to see a picture of your colored roots with grey ends.

Mark

Mark,

I wish I had some photographs to show you. First off, my wife and I don't take a lot of pictures, and as we aged (I'm now 60) we certainly weren't trying to document how old we looked! LOL My beard is definitely getting darker, and the process became noticeable sometime late in the 2nd month. I took 4 oz per day for about 2 months, at which point I started taking 6 oz per day, then 8 oz per day and am now taking 4 oz three times a day. The more I take the better I feel.

Most of the benefits are internal, including better strength and agility, with less discomfort. My sugar cravings have absolutely disappeared, I am taking fewer supplements and losing weight.

Having met the founders and the scientist who stabilized the product, I know what this is and why I am going to stay on it!

Peter

[Aaron]

results

The only thing that I have noticed is that some spots on my left bicept (I call them liver spots) appear to have faded a little.

I'm NOT sleeping better, still blow my nose 4 times when I wake up, no new growth of hair on my head, my side still hurts and no returning dark hair color. At this point I am disappointed in the product. I initially bought 4 cases and have recieved 1 additional shipment so I still have almost 4 cases left. I will continue to take the product but if I dont see more results in the next 3 weeks or see someone elses proof with pictures (Peter) I will be cancelling my order and will be asking for a refund. I hope that others are benifiting from the product more than I have. I promised a 1 month report and there it is.

Mark

Spots fading shows boost in glutathione production.

Take your second dose earlier on in the day and that may help you get better sleep. If I take it too late, it is difficult for me to fall asleep. This only happens to a small percentage of people.

Hair getting darker is from boost in catalase production. Everyone I know with gray hair turning dark took months. If there is not enough catalase (breaks down hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen), the abundance of hydrogen peroxide produced in the body will literally "bleach" the hair and that is why it turns gray. Boosting catalase breaks down the h2o2 and bit by bit the hair goes back to the original color.

I think everyone should test for 90 days.

My friend Lawrence had a stroke 6 years ago. Couldn't make a fist in 6 years. After drinking 12 ounces on Saturday, next morning he woke up with his hand in a fist and he had full range of motion in opening and closing it. He also slept without oxygen and was fine.